DeepEnigma
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Shit Cost Money: The Thread
This is completely fake outrage.The SDF out in full force. It's not that indies deserve success or that Sony should prop every indie up on a pedestal and shower them in free advertising. It seems that it's a problem with the Account Managers and the processes at Sony that create large headaches for these smaller developers. Manual excel invoicing? Months to respond? Having to speak to the manager to get answers? No launch discounts or pub driven discounting? C'mon. They're valid complaints and there are corroborating developers/publishers talking about it.
How can you have any desire to publish on PS if that large user base isn't giving you any ROI?
And yet some here will say paying Sony for cross play is because it's a PRIVILEGE to have access to such a user base lmao. They can't even get the privilege of PS users buying the game in the first place.
Embarrassing for Sony. First the crossplay debacle, “we believe in generations”, price hikes and now this. For the players though.
The predictable defense force though is quite something, but unsurprising. Protect the corporation at all costs!
lol wtf is going on, in this gif?
There couldn't possibly be two sides to this story. Sony has some faults on getting games onto their platform I'm sure. But thinking every Indie game dev will be treated equally is foolish at best.
lol wtf is going on, in this gif?
Embarrassing for Sony. First the crossplay debacle, “we believe in generations”, price hikes and now this. For the players though.
The predictable defense force though is quite something, but unsurprising. Protect the corporation at all costs!
Whut a bunch of poosiesSony apologizing for the PS3 security breach.
support guys
it probably make more money today than he will ever get.
don't hate the player hate the game
I believe it was when they shutdown the PSN due security issues.... it was on PS3.lol wtf is going on, in this gif?
Imagine having to develop a game to launch in Platform X.
Imagine having to develop a game to launch in Platform X lol
Evil Sony strikes again.
I fucking hate cats and at the same time have renewed hope for social media.
Some of it sounds valid to me. Specially in regard to obtuse systems and lack of feedback, I've had to deal with systems like that before and it sucks.
Like sales being invite only makes sense to me, but it sounds like they don't have clear guidelines for devs to know how to qualify (for example "sell at least X number of copies in the last Y number of months and have a user rating of at least Z"
A lot of other stuff sounds like entitled whining. It's your job to promote your product, Sony doesn't owe you free promotion just because you're an indie.
Besides, what does, for example, Nintendo do to promote games? I know they have their indie showcases but that doesn't come close to covering the tons of shovelware that gets released on the Eshop each week.
I'm talking about how you seem to need to track a person down to get things done, rather than submit things via some portal.. they also talked about how the sales data is shared in sending an excel file.
Those are the systems I'm talking about. Having to track down an account manager is just a process that doesn't really help anyone, Sony or the indies.
You, being as smart as you are, could have read the edit where I said I added the links later.Oh, yes you know surely since you linked Kotaku's article??
This is enlightening though: https://www.pushsquare.com/news/202...rates_how_bad_ps_store_discoverability_can_be
PS5 "Is A Hit" With The Indie Games Developers
PS5 indie games developers love what the console can do. According to PlayStation Magazine Editor, the console is a huge hit among indie devs they spoke to.respawnfirst.com
But it does seem like because of the sheer volume of developers available now that it makes it hard for indies to shine. Maybe a seperate store all together that links to PSN but is a seperate tab on your PS4/PS5 store icon on main home?
PS5's store is probably a little easier to find new releases as the redesign is fairly bare bones. Descenders is a really cool game btw.
I'll check it out, sounds good.
It is available on Gamepass if you have it.
Nintendo's store is a bit of a free-for-all. Devs can promote their games by putting them on sale every two months at massive discounts to try and game the top sellers charts.
I'm guessing Sony has one of the worst onboarding programs of any of the platform holders (Nintendo might rival them I guess) so those complaints are probably valid. It does sound like these developers have a major case of sour grapes. Their games seem to be middling at best and when platforms gets dozens of these a week, you aren't going to move product.
Nice try Elli, you probably don't even own a PS5 like I do =D
nice try halo
Plays nothing like Mario. You're saying the Assets looks like Mario? That's nearly every 2d platform game then...Jesus blatant mario rippoff christ lol
Not arguing that some of the complaints are stupid or part and parcel of being a app within the app store. Just saying that he raised legitimate complaints and the way that he has raised it (via twitter) is probably the most efficient way to do so.Well some of this stuff is just stupid.. "They only highlight your game for free if they like it"..
Uhhhhh lol
"They have a way to pay for marketing"
OK?
And "They certify your game on all of the consoles it releases on!"
Uhh.. yeah? lol
He also seems to be whining about some of the free marketing they do give out, like trailers on their channel.. and a blog post (if they like your game).. WTF?
Have you played the original SMB? This game, or at least that scene, is clearly at least an homage to the original.. hammer throwers and all lolPlays nothing like Mario. You're saying the Assets looks like Mario? That's nearly every 2d platform game then...
For sure, agreed.Not arguing that some of the complaints are stupid or part and parcel of being a app within the app store. Just saying that he raised legitimate complaints and the way that he has raised it (via twitter) is probably the most efficient way to do so.
Shit Cost Money: The Thread
The biggest game on the planet is indie dude. What the fuck are you talking about?
we only care about blockbusters, i don't know who these people are and don't care enough to google their games
Can I just say it’s funny reading this because Platform X has enough games that indies never crossed my mind. The one I did buy, Dead Cells, was just so meh.
we only care about blockbusters, i don't know who these people are and don't care enough to google their games
What is it with Platform X and their awful policies?What is it with indie devs and their fucking whining?
Shu`s the one leading the indie department, if there`s a problem with indies having access to PS platform it would be his fault lmao.Poor Yoshida has been thrown into the gutter. Andrew House no longer there Sony's new face is absolutely horrendous. I miss the Shawn Layden and Andrew House days and when Shu was leader of the Worldwide Studios. Garbage management. P.S. Fuck Jim Ryan, lying sack of shit.