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[Dream-Knife]

I don't get it. If you want more power, why would you buy a console and not a PC?

 

[Genx3]

A few hundred scalpers are nothing compared to dozens or hundreds of millions of consoles sold. And them offering that price doesn't mean people buys them at this price.

Every single console would easily be sold out at $600.

 

[Hawk269]

I think both Sony and MS will have "PRO" versions of the consoles, but the earliest I can see them coming out is Holiday 2024. It all depends on where we are at with the pandemic and if things settle down. Like some pointed out, people can't walk into a store or go to a an online and order a Series X or PS5 as of today and based on what we have been told, this situation along with GPU's will be tight for another year.

 

[yurinka]

Every single console would easily be sold out at $600.

No. PS5 and Series X are sould out, but Series S and Switch are in the stores. PS3 didn't perform well at $600, that pricing -and even worse selling it at a loss by far- was one of the biggest mistakes Sony ever did.

 

[Genx3]

I don't get it. If you want more power, why would you buy a console and not a PC?

Some People don't like gaming on PC's.
You either have to build them or over pay for them.
They come with tons of glitches and crashes as well as driver updates.
No retail sales, etc.
Consoles are simpler without the headaches.

 

[Iced Arcade]

The pro will just be consoles being available

 

[Genx3]

No. PS5 and Series X are sould out, but Series S and Switch are in the stores. PS3 didn't perform well at $600, that pricing -and even worse selling it at a loss by far- was one of the biggest mistakes Sony ever did.

Thanks for proving my point, People like better tech, are willing to pay for it and gravitate toward the higher end version of consoles.
Switch being a portable is the exception.
PS3 released in 2006.
Are you serious?
It's 2021. The consoles launched in 2020.

Also the current market does not agree with you.
Scalpers are making a lot of money selling at well above retail...

 

[skit_data]

A quality 4K TV with HDR will bring better image quality than you are currently getting.
Get with the times, if you have PS5 and a 1080P TV without HDR you are doing it wrong.

Do yourself a favor and buy a better TV.

I’m working on it, a 4k HDR one probably won’t cost that much. It has mostly come down to size, if I’m gonna get a 4k TV I want a decent sized one. At least a 60” one, and currently it won’t fit in my pretty small apartment, but me and my SO are planning to get ourselves a bigger place and then I’ll make sure to get a good one.

 

[welshrat]

Would be day 1 for me. Love my ps5 but in a few years I would bite. Considering a xsex as well despite having a 6800 based pc. I just love gaming tech. I imagine there are plenty of others like me.

 

[Varteras]

Assuming this happens at all, I'm more inclined to believe it will happen in 2024. I also think both companies would charge VERY premium prices for them. Anywhere from 600 to 700. The idea being the base models exist for those who won't pay that much but for those willing to spend, the option is now there. Though that also depends on what they put in these. They may just opt for a more conservative upgrade and introduce them at the $500 price tag if the base models have dropped in price by then.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

I wouldnt get my hopes up for them hitting that date

But what's your reasoning for that? It's one thing to be cautious as a slight doubt, but Bethesda seem rather bullish with their targeted date. It's like E elliot5 said, basically.

It's only a matter of time, especially if we take into consideration that Sony has been flirting with TSMC 6NM for added capacity, I'd imagine that would relieve the strain somewhat on the current model of PS5, maybe then we'd see the PS5-PRO model fabbed on 5NM along with a slim offering. Probably 23' or 24'.

6nm for a PS5 slim only benefits the base PS5 unless they stop production on 7nm, but then that creates the issue of capacity again because they would be locking base PS5 to one node process instead of two.

The only way 6nm benefits Sony WRT a base PS5 revision/slim AND a PS5 Pro, without increasing costs too much, is either keeping PS5 Pro production numbers on 5nm insanely small (directly correlates to a higher-end price), use 6nm for PS5 Pro (so basically more power consumption all around because the consumption costs benefit of 6nm get eaten away by using more die real-estate, likely as two dies), or they just skip a PS5 pro altogether.

 

[Hawk269]

I don't get it. If you want more power, why would you buy a console and not a PC?

Some people just prefer consoles. Plus the cost of entry for a rig that has all that extra power is so much higher than consoles. I have a very beefy PC and still game more on my Series X and PS5.

 

[Termite]

I don't see it. 4k gaming was a significant reason to upgrade and yet only 20% of people (I believe) went for the more expensive models. That 20% was a good result, and prevented customers from jumping ship to the other team if one side had done a 4k box and the other didn't,

But "same console, but more rays!" is nowhere near as appealing a unique selling point, and I think it'd fall flat on its face. On the other hand, "slim" revisions will be hugely popular.

I don't get it. If you want more power, why would you buy a console and not a PC?

I can't believe this still gets asked, but...

Because I hate using PCs. Because I have no real room for one in my living room in a small townhouse. Because outside of the USA they are ridiculously expensive compared to consoles. Because I hate using Steam, which is the de facto PC storefront.

I care about power, I just can't stand using PCs to game.

 

[Genx3]

I think both Sony and MS will have "PRO" versions of the consoles, but the earliest I can see them coming out is Holiday 2024. It all depends on where we are at with the pandemic and if things settle down. Like some pointed out, people can't walk into a store or go to a an online and order a Series X or PS5 as of today and based on what we have been told, this situation along with GPU's will be tight for another year.

I'm thinking the same way.
A 10 year gen with the pro consoles coming in 2024.

 

[Hawk269]

I'm thinking the same way.
A 10 year gen with the pro consoles coming in 2024.

Agree. This is going to be a long Gen. I think cross gen games is going to be common for at minimum another full year to even 2 years. We will get some "Next Gen" only games of course...but the majority of them will be cross gen games.

 

[ZywyPL]

Day 1 if true. 4K (unlike current models) and more stable framerates are always welcomed.

 

[TJC]

Whatever happened to squeezing every last inch of power from a system, designing around that features set for years to punch above its weight. Saying that I would deffo buy a PS5 Pro but it would need to be worth it, I mean people bang on about resolution but what really matters is texture quality and the density of the world. 1440p is more than enough with the upscaling tech that's being used now, please don't be a pointless Resolution upgrade like last gen.

 

[Dream-Knife]

I can't believe this still gets asked, but...

Because I hate using PCs. Because I have no real room for one in my living room in a small townhouse. Because outside of the USA they are ridiculously expensive compared to consoles. Because I hate using Steam, which is the de facto PC storefront.

I care about power, I just can't stand using PCs to game.

So it's cheaper to buy a $5-600 console every 2-3 years?

 

[ManaByte]

Don't buy it. The consoles currently have a ton of headroom still. No reason for a refresh this gen.

 

[waquzy]

Day 1 buy. Next

 

[Genx3]

So it's cheaper to buy a $5-600 console every 2-3 years?

Yes

 

[Kazekage1981]

its better for ps5 pro and xbox series x pro to release in holiday 2024 at the earliest. Just too damn early, barley scratched the surface on zen 2 and rdna 2, they are still using potato jaguar and polaris as base and making it more 'shiny' with zen 2 and rdna 2.

Xbox Series X Pro and PS5 Pro Speculation:
conservative: zen 4 + rdna 3 with PCIE Gen 5
ideal: zen 5 + rdna 4 with PCIE gen 5

 

[kyliethicc]

Would be crazy if they make a PS5 Pro with basically a RX 6800 XT inside it for it's GPU.

Almost 21 tittyflops

 

[Celcius]

2023 feels FAR too soon for a Pro console. I would expect one no sooner than 2025... that is IF we get another Pro this generation.

 

[EverydayBeast]

I didn’t even think about the possibility of a PS5 and Xbox refresh yet but it wouldn’t shock me if they come sooner rather than later.

 

[reksveks]

Microsoft I think based on all access and GamePass is definitely going to go for shorter generations

 

[Dream-Knife]

Yes

Sucker born every generation I guess.

 

[Captain Toad]

I don’t even have a 4k TV yet, dammit.

What third-world country do you hail from? I'll be praying for you, my friend.

 

[Kokoloko85]

Day 1

 

[SirTerry-T]

I don't follow the techy stuff that deeply but I was under the impression that this Moore's Law fella was considered to be full of shit?
Yay, Nay?

 

[skit_data]

What third-world country do you hail from? I'll be praying for you, my friend.

The third world country Sweden, good sir.

As I wrote earlier, its mostly because I’m a student and living in a pretty small apartment. I’ve invested way more in my audio setup than my TV, though. It literally takes up 1/3 of my apartment. I’m mostly waiting to get hands on a much bigger TV than the one I have now, I want that Pixel per Inch to be of a decent ratio without breaking my wallet.

 

[Pantz]

Sure, I'll take them. It's an easy choice to upgrade and sell my old consoles. Tales of Arise Quality Mode running at 40FPS would already be ready for a Pro console.

 

[Termite]

So it's cheaper to buy a $5-600 console every 2-3 years?

There are no $600 consoles, and I don't buy a console every 2-3 years. It's more like every 6-7 years.

But even if it WAS every 3 years, where I live it would still be substantially cheaper, probably half as expensive than PC gaming.

 

[reinking]

I don't know if there will be a mid-gen refresh for either console nor do I care. I am good if they stick with the current consoles. Besides, my mid-gen XBSX upgrade will most likely be a PC upgrade if they continue to release their titles and Game Pass on PC.

 

[reinking]

There are no $600 consoles, and I don't buy a console every 2-3 years. It's more like every 6-7 years.

But even if it WAS every 3 years, where I live it would still be substantially cheaper, probably half as expensive than PC gaming.

Don't forget to tack on the years worth of online fees if you play online. Part of the reason I am re-investing in PC again. If Sony starts releasing all of their first party titles on PC too I will leave consoles behind.

 

[MisterXDTV]

You have got to be kidding me: these consoles have been out less than a year, most of the people CAN'T get one and we are already talking about a new consoles...

For God's sake Microsoft has already released more consoles than exclusive games since 2016... (One S, One X, Series S, Series X)

If you care only about hardware get a damn PC

 

[LimanimaPT]

People can't even buy a ps5 or xbx and they ate talking about pro versions in 2023? No way that will happen.

 

[lachesis]

At this point, I think there won't be a pro version unless the supply matter gets solved.

 

[Excess]

In terms of tech, 2023 is very far away.

The One X launched in 2017, and three years later the Series X launched in 2020. The gap in performance between these two consoles is significant. By the time 2023 is here, the RTX 4000 series GPU's will already be a year into circulation, and the performance of those cards will make the current Series X and PS5 look terribly underpowered. Pascal had the same effect on consoles last generation.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

2023 does seem a bit early and unnecessary for a Pro refresh. I guess that technically makes sense as the middle of a 6 year cycle, but with demand still far outstripping supply, most people who want one still not having one, and the generation barely making a tepid start with true next gen titles, they could give the base consoles another year at least to stretch and deliver more differentiated Pros later.

Six years is too short; IMO I think this will be an 8-year gen the way 7th gen was (going by the 360's release date, anyway).

No. PS5 and Series X are sould out, but Series S and Switch are in the stores. PS3 didn't perform well at $600, that pricing -and even worse selling it at a loss by far- was one of the biggest mistakes Sony ever did.

PS3's problem wasn't exclusively its price: if it had the gaming content and advertising Day 1 to justify its value proposition to gamers it would've sold extremely well at $600.

But that was the issue: they failed to do any of that. Hence why sales were so bad at $600. At one point people probably thought $400 consoles could not work either going by the SEGA Saturn, yet the PS4 showed that to not be true. I do think the passage of time helps with people becoming more comfortable with certain concepts WRT pricing (console, gaming software, etc.), but it also helps plenty to make sure the content is there, and the advertising is on-point.

Do that while being able to read the room WRT the direction of big changes in the industry going forward and $600 could work. I definitely expect the 10th-gen consoles to increase on their high-end to $599/$649, which will still be a bargain compared to building a PC of whatever equivalent spec the 10th-gen consoles end up at.

Thanks for proving my point, People like better tech, are willing to pay for it and gravitate toward the higher end version of consoles.

This isn't 100% true; that better tech, when it comes to gaming, still needs the content present that justifies the purchase of that tech in particular, otherwise it will have fringe adaptation rates. Both PS4 Pro and Xbox One X are testaments to this (let alone prior premium system SKUs or add-ons, i.e PC-Engine CD, Sega CD, 32X, iQue, the PS2 PS-X DVR, etc.).

 

[Melfice7]

pro released 3 years after the ps4, 2023 would be the same, i wonder what gimmick is gonna be used to push it

 

[yurinka]

PS3's problem wasn't exclusively its price: if it had the gaming content and advertising Day 1 to justify its value proposition to gamers it would've sold extremely well at $600.

But that was the issue: they failed to do any of that. Hence why sales were so bad at $600. At one point people probably thought $400 consoles could not work either going by the SEGA Saturn, yet the PS4 showed that to not be true. I do think the passage of time helps with people becoming more comfortable with certain concepts WRT pricing (console, gaming software, etc.), but it also helps plenty to make sure the content is there, and the advertising is on-point.

Do that while being able to read the room WRT the direction of big changes in the industry going forward and $600 could work. I definitely expect the 10th-gen consoles to increase on their high-end to $599/$649, which will still be a bargain compared to building a PC of whatever equivalent spec the 10th-gen consoles end up at.

I didn't say it was its exclusive problem, it had many of them. I said it was one of their main issues.

 

[Hoddi]

I'll believe it when I see it. 2023 seems far too early for a mid-gen upgrade considering how quick the current systems are. This isn't like the PS4/XO which were already fairly outdated at launch while the new systems are very much up to spec with modern PCs.

Then again, I don't believe a word out of MLiD. He has a shitty track record.

 

[Bryank75]

Yes please and make it 700-800 or more if possible stuffed with the best stuff you can get in there.

 

[Bryank75]

I don't think there is going to be a mid gen refresh this generation. I know that a lot of people assume there will be because there was one previous gen, but that was still the exception rather than the rule for home consoles.
Here is why I don't think there will be one:

- There's no marketing hook. Both the PS4 Pro and XoneX were sold with the promise that they would deliver 4k gaming. Now whether they actually achieved this is up for debate, but the PS5 and XSX already claim to support 4k gaming. So what's the marketing hook going to be? There's no resolution bump, games already run at a solid framerate.

- PS4 Pro and X one X continued to be outsold by the standard models after they came out. Most consumers still went for the cheaper options

- You make you the people who won't upgrade feel like 2nd rate customers because they're getting a lesser experience. One of the benefits of buying a game on a console is knowing that you're, more or less, playing the best version of the game outside of playing it on a higher end gaming PC.

I don't think we'll see another upgrade. We will probably see a redesign of both consoles, especially of the PS5.

They sold around 25 million Pros..... that is a lot of sales to pass up. No chance they forgo that.

 

[Artistic]

NO THANKS!

 

[killatopak]

Makes the choice of me waiting til 2022 for the next gen consoles a lot more palatable.

I wouldn’t mind waiting one more year.

 

[njean777]

Thanks for proving my point, People like better tech, are willing to pay for it and gravitate toward the higher end version of consoles.
Switch being a portable is the exception.
PS3 released in 2006.
Are you serious?
It's 2021. The consoles launched in 2020.

Also the current market does not agree with you.
Scalpers are making a lot of money selling at well above retail...

People are not paying up front for their expensive phones though, they pay monthly to their current carrier. If carriers said ok that iPhone/galaxy whatever will be 999$ up front, most people would laugh and say nope. Carriers make it easy to pay off the phones over time with various deals and such, this is not the case with consoles as of now. MS has a pay off plan but Sony and Nintendo do not.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I think both Sony and MS will have "PRO" versions of the consoles, but the earliest I can see them coming out is Holiday 2024. It all depends on where we are at with the pandemic and if things settle down. Like some pointed out, people can't walk into a store or go to a an online and order a Series X or PS5 as of today and based on what we have been told, this situation along with GPU's will be tight for another year.

Sounds about right to me.

There's no way a mid gen refresh comes in 3 years (like PS4 Pro did). But 4 years looks more plausible given so many chip and system shortages.

Then again, if demand is so high and chips are still struggling, maybe they'll both balk and just focus on PS6 and Series Y for around 2027.

 

[ParaSeoul]

"Moores law is dead" is just a guy who throws every plausible thing at the wall to see what sticks, I doubt we'll have Pro versions of either console because last gen was a special case where the console makers assumed console gaming was dying ,cheaped out on the specs and tried to bank on TV gimmicks of all things,see Xbox One and Wii U. Sony were going to do the same but Microsoft had its conference first and we all know what happened after that. I'm tired of people acting as if Pro versions are a thing we've always had.