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[kiphalfton]

Whenever there's guns in third person action games (i.e. Devil May Cry, Bayonetta, etc), they are extremely weak or useless and generally aiming sucks, it's lock-in aiming, or there is no aiming.

Whenever there's melee weapons in third person shooters, it feels weird using them if locked in the over the shoulder view.

Long story short, I feel like it's either one or the other. Either it's a third person action game OR it's a third person shooter. Never really seen the two meshed together well.

 

[Y0ssarian]

I haven't played it myself, but maybe Devil's Third?

 

[bad guy]

NUCLEAR THRONE

 

[TwiztidElf]

Days Gone.
The shooting or melee builds/equips are both effective.

 

[kanjobazooie]

Metal Gear Survive (I swear I'm not trolling)

 

[GymWolf]

Pure action games like dmc or bayo have both melee and guns and you use them in tandem.

In almost any other genre, the combat is more melee centric or gun centric.

 

[Fahdis]

Uncharted 4 is good at this actually. You can do both effectively and the animations are super enjoyable.

Also, MGS V if you can learn all the CQC combinations. It's really fun.

 

[GymWolf]

Days Gone.
The shooting or melee builds/equips are both effective.

Yeah but the melee system in days gone is basic as fuck compared to the vast arsenal of guns and how different they feel, and if you try go melee at the harder difficulties against enemies with guns you are dead in 5 sec.

Kinda same in uncharted or tlou, except tlou has a lot of enemies without guns so it's more viable.

 

[Soodanim]

I can only think of Action RPGs, now you mention it. Games with guns tend to make melee a special action rather than a standard attack. I guess it can be quite difficult to balance a game round both, and depends on what enemy types the game has. They need to be fast and without guns

 

[Miles708]

Remember Sudeki?

It didn't excel at either but it was enjoyable, and it had both third person melee and first person shooting, depending on which character you were controlling.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Uncharted 4 is good at this actually. You can do both effectively and the animations are super enjoyable.

Also, MGS V if you can learn all the CQC combinations. It's really fun.

Uncharted is just canned melee cutscenes essentially lol.

 

[Con-Z-epT]

Pure action games like dmc or bayo have both melee and guns and you use them in tandem.

In almost any other genre, the combat is more melee centric or gun centric.

The melee in DMC is much more complex than any weapon you wield. It is not balanced.

 

[bitbydeath]

Yeah but the melee system in days gone is basic as fuck compared to the vast arsenal of guns and how different they feel, and if you try go melee at the harder difficulties against enemies with guns you are dead in 5 sec.

Kinda same in uncharted or tlou, except tlou has a lot of enemies without guns so it's more viable.

If we count stealth melee it is very effective.
It’s the one game where I’d use both all the time.

 

[GymWolf]

The melee in DMC is much more complex than any weapon you wield. It is not balanced.

Yeah that's also true.

But it's basically impossible to make guns as complex as melee weapons with combos and stuff.

But in pure action games you switch between them so the usage time is probably more close to 50-50 than many other games.

At least this was my playstyle when i was an avid action game consumers (ps2-ps3 era mostly).

 

[Con-Z-epT]

Yeah that's also true.

But it's basically impossible to make guns as complex as melee weapons with combos and stuff.

But in pure action games you switch between them so the usage time is probably more close to 50-50 than many other games.

At least this was my playstyle when i was an avid action game consumers (ps2-ps3 era mostly).

How is it in Bayonetta? Never played it.

 

[mcjmetroid]

I suppose the issue is It's hard to balance it.

Guns are by and large way better than melee attacks.

One of them has got to be nerfed.

Although it's not guns per say Horizon Zero Dawn came close but had not so hot melee combat.

Maybe the sequel will be a good example.

 

[GymWolf]

If we count stealth melee it is very effective.
It’s the one game where I’d use both all the time.

You can't count melee on stealth cmon, then we can count guns on stealth since days gone has that fucking OP crossbow that kills enemies with one hit (other then the usual silenced pistol or sniper) and melee weapons return to be the far less used type of combat even during stealth.

 

[GymWolf]

How is it in Bayonetta? Never played it.

Never played myself, it was released when my love for action games was already diminishing.

but i saw a fuckload of gameplay on yt and it looks great (no shit lol)

If you like the genre it's a must buy.

 

[bitbydeath]

You can't count melee on stealth cmon, then we can count guns on stealth since days gone has that fucking OP crossbow that kills enemies with one hit (other then the usual silenced pistol or sniper) and melee weapons return to be the far less used type of combat even during stealth.

I’d argue it allows for a good mix between the two modes. Often I start with stealth melees until caught then bring out the guns, since bullets are precious.

 

[GymWolf]

I’d argue it allows for a good mix between the two modes. Often I start with stealth melees until caught then bring out the guns, since bullets are precious.

Yeah but melee is really basic, a couple of slashes and roll, and repeat, also it looks and feel clunky when compared to the game that inspired it (clearly tlou).

I still remember people shitting on how the melee looked in the various trailers before release...and they were right tbh, it tries to be arcade-y tlou but it kinda fails.

Bend need to tight up their animations in the next game.

 

[Nezzeroth]

Magick archer in Dragon's Dogma from what I remember. Both styles were really satisfying.

 

[MrA]

Red steel 2

 

[kyliethicc]

Whenever there's guns in third person action games (i.e. Devil May Cry, Bayonetta, etc), they are extremely weak or useless and generally aiming sucks, it's lock-in aiming, or there is no aiming.

Whenever there's melee weapons in third person shooters, it feels weird using them if locked in the over the shoulder view.

Long story short, I feel like it's either one or the other. Either it's a third person action game OR it's a third person shooter. Never really seen the two meshed together well.

The Last of Us Part 2 has both and both are great.

God of War almost feels like a shooter at times because of how fun and useful it is to throw the axe, despite being a melee game.

Uncharted 4 and Lost Legacy improved the melee combat & stealth, adding a nice balance to its core shooting.

 

[Kagero]

Nier Automita. My brother in law played it as a hack n slash while I played it mostly as a tps shooter.

 

[Redefine07]

Mad Max !

 

[Kimahri]

Whenever there's guns in third person action games (i.e. Devil May Cry, Bayonetta, etc), they are extremely weak or useless and generally aiming sucks, it's lock-in aiming, or there is no aiming.

Whenever there's melee weapons in third person shooters, it feels weird using them if locked in the over the shoulder view.

Long story short, I feel like it's either one or the other. Either it's a third person action game OR it's a third person shooter. Never really seen the two meshed together well.

Dragon's Dogma action game in an rpg wrapping. So much love.

 

[MrJTeera]

Uncharted 4 is good at this actually. You can do both effectively and the animations are super enjoyable.

Also, MGS V if you can learn all the CQC combinations. It's really fun.

Yeah, I totally agree with U4 on this one.

I think people take too much for granted that Uncharted is labeled as a third person shooter when in reality, it’s a third person melee game with shooting mechanics.

 

[Represent.]

TLOU 2 quite easily

 

[intbal]

I never warmed up to it, but perhaps Greedfall.

Also Torchlight, but melee combat in that is pretty much one-button.

 

[Grand Theft Scratchy]

Sleeping Dogs has really good melee combat (fun varied moves and environmental takedowns) with decent gunplay.

I really wonder how they might have improved the gameplay with a sequel. It was such a satisfying, new IP to play through in my opinion.

 

[Captain Toad]

Returnal

 

[e0n]

Hyper light drifter

 

[Guilty_AI]

I though Genshin Impact had a good balance between ranged and close-quarters combat.

 

[Punished Miku]

First post nails it. And for the record, Devil's Third is a ton of fun and one of the best reasons to hold on to your Wii U.

It's an attempt at fusing Call of Duty and Ninja Gaiden nearly 50/50.

 

[Sub_Level]

FF7 Remake has problems. But they nailed the combat. Ranged attacks from Barret feel just as good as using Cloud or Tifa.

 

[Ogbert]

Destiny 2.

 

[jufonuk]

Vanquish ?

 

[Aldric]

Whenever there's guns in third person action games (i.e. Devil May Cry, Bayonetta, etc), they are extremely weak or useless and generally aiming sucks, it's lock-in aiming, or there is no aiming.

Whenever there's melee weapons in third person shooters, it feels weird using them if locked in the over the shoulder view.

Long story short, I feel like it's either one or the other. Either it's a third person action game OR it's a third person shooter. Never really seen the two meshed together well.

Kid Icarus Uprising has melee attacks. It's not a very deep system as the focus is on shooting but you still have combos with your range weapons and even a stinger attack. It's also the only TPS I can think of that has gameplay based around invincible dodging which makes it feel much closer to Bayonetta than Gears, modern Resident Evil or even Warframe.

 

[ethomaz]

Destiny.

First-person view for shooting…
Third-person view for Melee…

 

[Cracklox]

Warframe.

Although 'balanced' is questionable given there are over 300 guns and 180 or so melee weapons. Until recently, high level end game stuff was very melee centric, until guns were buffed a patch or 2 ago. Now its a little more even. But for the main portion of the game most anythings viable so long as you learn how to mod them properly

Now how balanced those weapons are within each category is a different discussion of course. And while i like the shooting mechanics and huge variety of things to shoot, the melee doesn't always feel that great to me, as effective as it can be

 

[Aenima]

Uncharted 4 is good at this actually. You can do both effectively and the animations are super enjoyable.

Also, MGS V if you can learn all the CQC combinations. It's really fun.

Was gonna mention both these games exactly.

 

[DGrayson]

 

[Plantoid]

Skyrim, both melee and ranged suck

 

[Miles708]

what's this?

 

[Icymanipulator]

Doesn’t Monster Hunter fit the bill?

 

[CamHostage]

Pure action games like dmc or bayo have both melee and guns and you use them in tandem.

In almost any other genre, the combat is more melee centric or gun centric.

The guns in those though are basically just long-distance punches. You usually don't aim, you don't time your reloads, and you don't expect the guns to solve your problem unless your problem is, that fucker is going to rip me apart if I let him get too close.

As has been mentioned, it's tough to have a balanced and satisfying combo (unless your combo includes them in different modes) since the methods and rhythms and strategies of combat are so different.

 

[killatopak]

Any Gundam Vs game.

Both range and melee game are very complex.

It's the movement skills that bridge the two skills together though as evasion and engaging is just as important as well as boost management.

 

[Kadve]

Definitely qualifies. Though might depend a little on your preferensers on hack and slash combat.

Also and maybe better example.

 

[akbennyewu]

One of the major reasons I enjoy Warframe is both melee combat and gunplay is pretty damn satisfying, and there are high volumes of combat.

 

[DGrayson]

what's this?

Rising Zan: Samurai Gunman.

Not the best game but fun and has shooting and melee!