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[DForce]

You're going by twitch views? LOL


Well games as a service has long legs.. and streaming reflects that. These games seem pretty dead

Gt sport etc does not seem like a good example of a successful ”as a service” game. Any other ideas?

Oh and any other metrics you can show to prove Sony have had successful games of this kind?

You haven't shown me any evidence. You're just making claims without facts. That's how we know you don't know what you're talking about. lol

 

[kyliethicc]

Ok what about reviews ? Because the market does not care about reviews. Reviews and MC scores are just used by fanboys in wars consumers don’t care about that.

Regular people review games too. Devs care a lot about Steam reviews, for example. Word of mouth is a form of review. And so on.

A game is successful if it makes money (sales) and people like it (reviews). This is basic stuff. Data points used to measure these 2 metrics can vary by publisher/developer/title.

 

[HieroglyphicMonk]

Who cares about multiplayer games, they're shit.

I do, the reason I bought a PS4 was in hopes they would bring in some of their multiplayer games. Factions, Socom, Warhawks, KZ2 where awesome. Sony had different and innovative multiplayer games if they released some of these games now they would be huge. MP has grown soooo much during the PS3 era is when it was just beginning.

 

[Max Payne’s Baretta]

Regular people review games too. Devs care a lot about Steam reviews, for example. Word of mouth is a form of review. And so on.

A game is successful if it makes money (sales) and people like it (reviews). This is basic stuff. Data points used to measure these 2 metrics can vary by publisher/developer/title.

Fortnite never reviewed well , I don’t think warzone ever reviewed well nor did Pub G. All those games were massive. Consumers care about how the game engages them. Reviews aren’t often reliable enough To properly capture a game

Hence why it behooves players to stay engage with software directly to see if it fits their taste.

Speaking personally there’s been numerous games that received “rave reviews” that fell completely flat with me. And I’m sure all of us who play video games have experience that more than once.

In conclusion fuck reviews play the game yourself.

 

[HieroglyphicMonk]

To be fair there were more than enough fps franchises around that sony themselves didnt really have to do anything/worry about it. Now that ms have bought bethestha and activision they pretty much own all the big fps franchises. Off the top of my head ea is the only 3rd party left that has any fps worth a damn that ms doesnt own, i guess ubisoft with its farcry series. Kinda insane now that i think of it.

To be fair there are more than enough 3rd person action adventure games...

 

[kyliethicc]

Fortnite never reviewed well , I don’t think warzone ever reviewed well nor did Pub G. All those games were massive. Consumers care about how the game engages them. Reviews aren’t often reliable enough To properly capture a game

Hence why it behooves players to stay engage with software directly to see if it fits their taste.

Speaking personally there’s been numerous games that received “rave reviews” that fell completely flat with me. And I’m sure all of us who play video games have experience that more than once.

In conclusion fuck reviews play the game yourself.

You're thinking far too narrowly.

The people who played Fortnite reviewed it themselves and liked it. It grew a lot as people liked the changes. That's why its huge now.

Every time you play a game you review it and you might tell a friend "go play this" or "that game wasn't fun" etc.

Its not just IGN or Metacritic.

 

[MonarchJT]

This is an old archaic way to look at the industry. Fortnite and warzone are the highest played / revenue generating pieces of software on PS. F2P Multiplayer games literally sustain the PS platform and you want to come on here and say it’s about sales in 2022 your outlook is very outdated.

I'm realizing just after this acquisition that there is a good part of Sonygaf that is really completely out of touch from how work the big market

 

[MonarchJT]

You're going by twitch views? LOL

The desperation is real.

he is right

 

[DForce]

he is right

He's not.

Guilty Gear: Strive is a very niche game and it currently has 507 Twitch viewers

This game sold fewer copies than MLB The Show and GT Sport.

Forza 7 has 12
GT Sport has 60
Last of Us has 304 Twitch viewers, where at least 27 are watching the multiplayer.
MLB The Show has 249
Gears of War 5 has 258

Call of Duty Vanguard has 2.5k
Destiny 2 has 8.3k

More popular multiplayer games based on your logic.

Destiny 2 > Halo Infinite > Call of Duty

Guilty Gear: Strive > MLB The Show > Gears 5 > Last of Us > Gran Turismo Sport > Forza 7


This metric doesn't hold up. lol

 

[Beechos]

To be fair there are more than enough 3rd person action adventure games...

Yes correct and your point is?

 

[JimRyanGOAT]

Make Dreams f2p & give us a pc Port

Game has alot of potential, dont want to see Sony fuck it up

 

[Yoboman]

yeah but that was my whole point. Sony has had lots of multiplayer games - But none have been really successful or big.

Every single multiplayer game/mode has faded away quickly unlike Sonys MASSIVE success on the singleplayer front. Sony has really relied on third parties for multiplayer (Destiny, Rocket L, Fortnite, CoD, Battlefield, Minecraft etc)

I would say though that Sonys first party when they were actively putting out multiplayer projects is very different to what they are today in terms of quality. So I think the games in the OP have a lot of potential, as do the multiplayer projects of TLOU Factions and Guerrilla. And they are making the right decision in separating their single player and multiplayer projects- the years of combined singleplayer and multiplayer in one game and nailing both is just too big in scope these days

 

[Sosokrates]

Sonys history with MP is not great.

The quality was pretty good , great even, like UC4, twisted metal,warhawk etc but none of them have been that popular or really catched the mp mindshare.a

 

[ChoosableOne]

Don't get Phil excited bruh.

 

[DForce]

Sonys history with MP is not great.

The quality was pretty good , great even, like UC4, twisted metal,warhawk etc but none of them have been that popular or really catched the mp mindshare.a

I think Xbox fans tend to overestimate the popularity of Microsoft's multiplayer titles.

Halo Infinite
Most played Xbox Games - 5th
Steam - Current: 16,151 | 24 Hour Peak: 29,830

Forza Horizon 5
Most Played Xbox Games - 9th
Steam - Current: 13,112 | 24 Hour Peak: 15,814

Gears 5
Most Played Xbox Games - Out of the Top 50
Steam - Current: 356 | 24 Hour Peak: 383

Forza 7
Most Played Xbox Games - Out of the Top 50

Sea of Thieves
Most Played Xbox Games - 32rd
Steam - Current: 16,426 | 24 Hour Peak 17,133


Gears 5 - doesn't appear to be a huge multiplayer title. The game was released in September 2019 and there are games that were released before 2019 with a higher player count.

Sea of Thieves - How popular is this game on Xbox? This game tends to hover around 30 of the top Xbox Games played (you can check the time machine website). The core players appear to be on PC with a concurrent player count at around 16k on average.

Forza 7 - Forza Motorsports series are often niche, but Xbox fans want to make you believe that it's more popular than the Gran Turismo series and it's one of the top multiplayer Xbox games.

Forza Horizon 5 & Halo Infinite
These two games seem to be doing well on Xbox. However, Halo Infinite is not among the top shooting games on PC. Destiny, Rainbow Six Siege are performing better. Halo is considered one of the premier shooters out there, but the numbers tell us differently. Forza is at 15k concurrent players on Steam.

This also doesn't count the multiplayer titles that didn't succeed.

Grounded
Gears Tactics
Halo Wars 1
Halo Wars 2
Bleeding Edge

The point is, Xbox fans want you to believe that MS is putting out a lot of great MP games with a strong player base and that's simply not true. Sony hasn't put out much because most of their main studios were developing SP games and they're currently working on many MP games. The belief that many people have in here that it will be nearly impossible to make a successful MP title than the ones mentioned above is really funny.

 

[Chris_Rivera]

I can’t believe they have no tactical shooter yet. This gen has been moving so slow.

 

[Sosokrates]

I think Xbox fans tend to overestimate the popularity of Microsoft's multiplayer titles.

Halo Infinite
Most played Xbox Games - 5th
Steam - Current: 16,151 | 24 Hour Peak: 29,830

Forza Horizon 5
Most Played Xbox Games - 9th
Steam - Current: 13,112 | 24 Hour Peak: 15,814

Gears 5
Most Played Xbox Games - Out of the Top 50
Steam - Current: 356 | 24 Hour Peak: 383

Forza 7
Most Played Xbox Games - Out of the Top 50

Sea of Thieves
Most Played Xbox Games - 32rd
Steam - Current: 16,426 | 24 Hour Peak 17,133


Gears 5 - doesn't appear to be a huge multiplayer title. The game was released in September 2019 and there are games that were released before 2019 with a higher player count.

Sea of Thieves - How popular is this game on Xbox? This game tends to hover around 30 of the top Xbox Games played (you can check the time machine website). The core players appear to be on PC with a concurrent player count at around 16k on average.

Forza 7 - Forza Motorsports series are often niche, but Xbox fans want to make you believe that it's more popular than the Gran Turismo series and it's one of the top multiplayer Xbox games.

Forza Horizon 5 & Halo Infinite
These two games seem to be doing well on Xbox. However, Halo Infinite is not among the top shooting games on PC. Destiny, Rainbow Six Siege are performing better. Halo is considered one of the premier shooters out there, but the numbers tell us differently. Forza is at 15k concurrent players on Steam.

This also doesn't count the multiplayer titles that didn't succeed.

Grounded
Gears Tactics
Halo Wars 1
Halo Wars 2
Bleeding Edge

The point is, Xbox fans want you to believe that MS is putting out a lot of great MP games with a strong player base and that's simply not true. Sony hasn't put out much because most of their main studios were developing SP games and they're currently working on many MP games. The belief that many people have in here that it will be nearly impossible to make a successful MP title than the ones mentioned above is really funny.

I don't understand how this changes my point.

 

[DForce]

I don't understand how this changes my point.

How much mindshare did they have based on the performance of their multiplayer titles on Xbox?

 

[Cleared_Hot]

If only they'd bring back SOCOM

 

[Ozriel]

I think Xbox fans tend to overestimate the popularity of Microsoft's multiplayer titles.

Halo Infinite
Most played Xbox Games - 5th
Steam - Current: 16,151 | 24 Hour Peak: 29,830

Forza Horizon 5
Most Played Xbox Games - 9th
Steam - Current: 13,112 | 24 Hour Peak: 15,814

Gears 5
Most Played Xbox Games - Out of the Top 50
Steam - Current: 356 | 24 Hour Peak: 383

Forza 7
Most Played Xbox Games - Out of the Top 50

Sea of Thieves
Most Played Xbox Games - 32rd
Steam - Current: 16,426 | 24 Hour Peak 17,133


Gears 5 - doesn't appear to be a huge multiplayer title. The game was released in September 2019 and there are games that were released before 2019 with a higher player count.

Sea of Thieves - How popular is this game on Xbox? This game tends to hover around 30 of the top Xbox Games played (you can check the time machine website). The core players appear to be on PC with a concurrent player count at around 16k on average.

Forza 7 - Forza Motorsports series are often niche, but Xbox fans want to make you believe that it's more popular than the Gran Turismo series and it's one of the top multiplayer Xbox games.

Forza Horizon 5 & Halo Infinite
These two games seem to be doing well on Xbox. However, Halo Infinite is not among the top shooting games on PC. Destiny, Rainbow Six Siege are performing better. Halo is considered one of the premier shooters out there, but the numbers tell us differently. Forza is at 15k concurrent players on Steam.

This also doesn't count the multiplayer titles that didn't succeed.

Grounded
Gears Tactics
Halo Wars 1
Halo Wars 2
Bleeding Edge

The point is, Xbox fans want you to believe that MS is putting out a lot of great MP games with a strong player base and that's simply not true. Sony hasn't put out much because most of their main studios were developing SP games and they're currently working on many MP games. The belief that many people have in here that it will be nearly impossible to make a successful MP title than the ones mentioned above is really funny.

Halo infinite being 5th on Xbox, behind the F2P BR behemoths can’t really be skewed as a bad thing. It’s doing pretty well, in fact. And a racing game at 9th (when most of the top 9 are F2P or BR games) is really impressive.

Sea of Thieves at 17k peak daily is VERY solid. Top 23 on Xbox is no slouch either. Couple that with its 5 million PC sales as it’s a very successful outing for Rare. These numbers will spike each month with the new monthly content.

Saying ‘Grounded’ (which is only out in content limited early access) didn’t succeed is borderline trolling.


I’d disagree with anyone who says Sony can’t put out an MP game that draws a decent audience. The talent is there, and there’s history of making some of these games. Of course they can. I’ll just say that, on average, it’s not the easiest, most guaranteed thing in the world.

 

[DForce]

Halo infinite being 5th on Xbox, behind the F2P BR behemoths can’t really be skewed as a bad thing. It’s doing pretty well, in fact. And a racing game at 9th (when most of the top 9 are F2P or BR games) is really impressive.

Sea of Thieves at 17k peak daily is VERY solid. Top 23 on Xbox is no slouch either. Couple that with its 5 million PC sales as it’s a very successful outing for Rare. These numbers will spike each month with the new monthly content.

Saying ‘Grounded’ (which is only out in content limited early access) didn’t succeed is borderline trolling.


I’d disagree with anyone who says Sony can’t put out an MP game that draws a decent audience. The talent is there, and there’s history of making some of these games. Of course they can. I’ll just say that, on average, it’s not the easiest, most guaranteed thing in the world.

Halo Infinite and Forza Horizon 5 are recently released games.

Sea of Thieves is 32, not 23. It's behind NBA2k21, Madden 21, For Honor (Yes, last previous Madden and NBA titles). That means it's very likely that it's hot a huge MP title. We're not talking about a success based on sales, we're talking about how many people are playing these games on a regular basis.

Even fighting games get regular updates and they're niche titles.

You didn't bring up Gears of War or Forza Motorsports.

You basically said nothing and you're only proving my point.

 

[Kagey K]

Halo Infinite and Forza Horizon 5 are recently released games.

Sea of Thieves is 32, not 23. It's behind NBA2k21, Madden 21, For Honor (Yes, last previous Madden and NBA titles). That means it's very likely that it's hot a huge MP title. We're not talking about a success based on sales, we're talking about how many people are playing these games on a regular basis.

Even fighting games get regular updates and they're niche titles.

You didn't bring up Gears of War or Forza Motorsports.

You basically said nothing and you're only proving my point.

There are thousands of games out on Xbox, SoT or Gears being behind NBA and Madden isn't an embarrassment, as they are usually top sellers month to month on both systems.

Forza 7 is delisted and can't be bought anymore. The fact that the hardcore still cling to it is admirable.

Now let's look at where Destruction All Stars sits on the Sony top played to see how Sony muliplayer ranks.

Or if you don't like Destruction All Stars pick a different Sony 1st party multiplayer game to compare.

 

[Banjo64]

They’ve got it all to prove to be honest. Even Nintendo has Smash and Splatoon online which are infinitely more balanced and competitive than any of Sony’s offerings.

 

[DForce]

There are thousands of games out on Xbox, SoT or Gears being behind NBA and Madden isn't an embarrassment, as they are usually top sellers month to month on both systems.

Forza 7 is delisted and can't be bought anymore. The fact that the hardcore still cling to it is admirable.

Now let's look at where Destruction All Stars sits on the Sony top played to see how Sony muliplayer ranks.

Gears 5 is not in the top 50
Forza 7 has barely been in the top 50 even before it was delisted. Gamers were still able to play the game.
Sea of Thieves is behind the PREVIOUS installments of Madden and NBA 2K.

I can easily say DAS died fast and it's not even one of the top Sony MP titles released are that's even scheduled to release.

You're making excuses and ignoring the numbers\data improviding.

 

[DForce]

They’ve got it all to prove to be honest. Even Nintendo has Smash and Splatoon online which are infinitely more balanced and competitive than any of Sony’s offerings.

Tell everyone about your experience with MLB, GT Sport, and TLOU Online.

 

[Kagey K]

Gears 5 is not in the top 50
Forza 7 has barely been in the top 50 even before it was delisted. Gamers were still able to play the game.
Sea of Thieves is behind the PREVIOUS installments of Madden and NBA 2K.

I can easily say DAS died fast and it's not even one of the top Sony MP titles released are that's even scheduled to release.

You're making excuses and ignoring the numbers\data improviding.

No you are.

If its so easy to make a great muliplauer game, why doesn't Sony have even one in thier top played?

You want to say Halo and Forza are up there because they are recent, but Sony hasn't had one in over 10 years and now suddenly every game they fund is going to be number 1?

You proved its very hard to make a game that will Crack the zeitgeist, but somehow think every Sony game is going through.

I hope you realize how delusional that sounds

 

[Sosokrates]

How much mindshare did they have based on the performance of their multiplayer titles on Xbox?

Whats xbox got to do with anything, i was talking about playsation.

 

[DForce]

No you are.

If its so easy to make a great muliplauer game, why doesn't Sony have even one in thier top played?

You want to say Halo and Forza are up there because they are recent, but Sony hasn't had one in over 10 years and now suddenly every game they fund is going to be number 1?

You proved its very hard to make a game that will Crack the zeitgeist, but somehow think every Sony game is going through.

You're not paying attention. Where did I say every game they're funding is going to be number one?

Do you know how MLB The Show performs on PlayStation?

Do you know how Gran Turismo 7 is going to perform? The reason why they didn't have multiplayer at the top is because most of their top studios were developing Single Player games.

If TLOU MP was some irrelevant MP title, then why are they deciding to make it a standalone release?

I said Forza and Halo are new so it's expected to be up there. It's unknown how long it will stay up there.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Do Sony have a top 50 played titles month on month? It would be interesting to see where their games currently land.

 

[Banjo64]

Tell everyone about your experience with MLB, GT Sport, and TLOU Online.

Baseball is dog shit. I’ve put well over 50 hours in to TLoU and Remastered online. I didn’t bother with GT Sport after the piss poor reviews and user complaints.

I’m sorry but are you comparing those games to Smash, Splatoon and even Mario Kart? Never mind CoD, Halo, Overwatch, Gears, Forza and Sea of Thieves

I remember buying BF4 and Killzone SF with my PS4. SF had dropped to an unplayable player base within 3 or 4 days of launch, like 100 people online. None of Sony’s games have had stickabity, so like I said; they have it all to prove.

 

[DForce]

Whats xbox got to do with anything, i was talking about playsation.

Your point is about mindshare.

 

[Sosokrates]

No you are.

If its so easy to make a great muliplauer game, why doesn't Sony have even one in thier top played?

You want to say Halo and Forza are up there because they are recent, but Sony hasn't had one in over 10 years and now suddenly every game they fund is going to be number 1?

You proved its very hard to make a game that will Crack the zeitgeist, but somehow think every Sony game is going through.

I hope you realize how delusional that sounds

Precisely, this thread is based on nothing but fanboy dreams, but history shows the opposite.

 

[DForce]

Baseball is dog shit. I’ve put well over 50 hours in to TLoU and Remastered online. I didn’t bother with GT Sport after the piss poor reviews and user complaints.

I’m sorry but are you comparing those games to Smash, Splatoon and even Mario Kart? Never mind CoD, Halo, Overwatch, Gears, Forza and Sea of Thieves

I remember buying BF4 and Killzone SF with my PS4. SF had dropped to an unplayable player base within 3 or 4 days of launch, like 100 people online. None of Sony’s games have had stickabity, so like I said; they have it all to prove.

You said it's "more competitive" than the games I mentioned. So, you're now moving the goalpost. No one in their right mind would say Splatoon is more competitive than TLOU MP if they played both. No one would even talk about Mario Kart versus a sim racer.

Street Fighter V has a peak of 2.9k on Steam.
Gears 5 has 383

Fighting games are a niche genre, yet these niche games are beating some of these so-called big MP titles.

The thing is, you're ignoring stats and going based on feel. That's now how you prove your point.

 

[Sosokrates]

Your point is about mindshare.

3rd party games also take up mindshare.

Point is I dont think sony have ever had a top 10 most played online exclusive.

 

[Von Hugh]

Funny thread with funny dreams.

 

[BlackM1st]

O

Keep'em coming, this is just hilarious.

More like sad

 

[DForce]

Point is I dont think sony have ever had a top 10 most played online exclusive.

Your point doesn't make much sense. You're going based on 1st party & 3rd party to determine this?

Just remember, even though Sony didn't develop many mp titles, they do have a lot that are console exclusive. Street Fighter 5, Guilty Gear, Genshin Impact

Point is I dont think sony have ever had a top 10 most played online exclusive.

This is my point. People are either assuming they never did with absolutely no proof.

 

[Banjo64]

You said it's "more competitive" than the games I mentioned. So, you're now moving the goalpost. No one in their right mind would say Splatoon is more competitive than TLOU MP if they played both. No one would even talk about Mario Kart versus a sim racer.

Street Fighter V has a peak of 2.9k on Steam.
Gears 5 has 383

Fighting games are a niche genre, yet these niche games are beating some of these so-called big MP titles.

The thing is, you're ignoring stats and going based on feel. That's now how you prove your point.

No mate I think you’ve got that the wrong way around.

Street Fighter V is a game made by Sony? Wow, you’ve blown my mind.

 

[DForce]

No mate I think you’ve got that the wrong way around.

I played both. I also played TLOU MP for years. The game is far too statistic for just casual players. Splatoon is easier.

Street Fighter V is a game made by Sony? Wow, you’ve blown my mind.

You brought up SFV, so that's on you.

GT Sport was the 12th on the list of PS4 purchases in all of Europe last year.

PlayStation Store’s top downloads of 2021

Find out where your favorites placed in the PS Store charts for 2021.

blog.playstation.com

So, tell me about these dead games you're talking about? What are the concurrent TLOU MP numbers?

This is why I ignore your comments. You're always ignoring facts.

 

[Banjo64]

I played both. I also played TLOU MP for years. The game is far too statistic for just casual players. Splatoon is easier.


You brought up SFV, so that's on you.

GT Sport was the 12th on the list of PS4 purchases in all of Europe last year.

PlayStation Store’s top downloads of 2021

Find out where your favorites placed in the PS Store charts for 2021.

blog.playstation.com

So, tell me about these dead games you're talking about? What are the concurrent TLOU MP numbers?

This is why I ignore your comments. You're always ignoring facts.

Far too statistic and Splatoon is easier. Ok mate

KILLZONE SF means Shadow Fall, I thought a massive Sony fan like you would know that. It doesn’t mean Killzone Street Fighter V. Even funnier given that I gave the context of buying the game with BF4 when the PS4 launched.

 

[DForce]

Far too statistic and Splatoon is easier. Ok mate

KILLZONE SF means Shadow Fall, I thought a massive Sony fan like you would know that. It doesn’t mean Killzone Street Fighter V.

Ok, you didn't mean SFV

What's the concurrent player count for TLOU? You spent around 50 hours playing. That's a low-level player. People don't get good until they logged in more hours than that, which means you haven't played many good players. lol

Why is Gears out of the top 50? Why is it below 400 concurrent players on PC?

How many people played GT Sport, MLB, and TLOU online at it's peak?

 

[Banjo64]

Ok, you didn't mean SFV

What's the concurrent player count for TLOU? You spent around 50 hours playing. That's a low-level player. People don't get good until they logged in more hours than that, which means you haven't played many good players. lol

Why is Gears out of the top 50? Why is it below 400 concurrent players on PC?

How many people played GT Sport, MLB, and TLOU online at it's peak?

I actually said easily over 50 hours as a conservative estimate, because as far as I remember you can’t see your play time?

This is what an embarrassing cult looks like; arguing that GT Sport and MLB are massive online games with good balancing and competitive play. Shuhei Yoshida won’t ram your door down and arse rape you for admitting Sony is trailing in one aspect. It’s going to be ok.

And re: Gears, maybe it’s that old GAF adage that everyone is just playing it on Game Pass PC and Xbox, since no one will buy Xbox games anymore (please just ignore SOT selling 5m on Steam).

 

[DForce]

I actually said easily over 50 hours as a conservative estimate, because as far as I remember you can’t see your play time?

This is what an embarrassing cult looks like; arguing that GT Sport and MLB are massive online games with good balancing and competitive play. Shuhei Yoshida won’t ram your door down and arse rape you for admitting Sony is trailing in one aspect. It’s going to be ok.

As expected, you ignore data and just start ranting.

This makes me believe that you know you can't defend the stats so you just ignore it and continue to argue. If you think that game is easier, then you haven't played TLOU MP. It's just that simple. Go to the Fractions reddit and tell people that, they're just going to laugh.

But just proved my point. I have to ignore you again. lol

 

[TaiLopezFan]

I really hope LoU MP turns out great. Needs to be on PS4 and F2P. Even better would be on PC day 1 and mobile too.

 

[Banjo64]

As expected, you ignore data and just start ranting.

This makes me believe that you know you can't defend the stats so you just ignore it and continue to argue. If you think that game is easier, then you haven't played TLOU MP. It's just that simple. Go to the Fractions reddit and tell people that, they're just going to laugh.

But just proved my point. I have to ignore you again. lol

Wow, go to a subreddit of devoted fanaticals and act surprised that they think their game of choice is the best.

Please do, and don’t un-ignore me this time. I realise that my posts are dangerously enlightening to you, and you don’t like hearing contrary opinions that challenge your little mind - but please resist the temptation. I won’t ignore you, because your posts are always comedy gold.

 

[Sosokrates]

Your point doesn't make much sense. You're going based on 1st party & 3rd party to determine this?

Just remember, even though Sony didn't develop many mp titles, they do have a lot that are console exclusive. Street Fighter 5, Guilty Gear, Genshin Impact



This is my point. People are either assuming they never did with absolutely no proof.

No, sony have not had a top 10 online mp game, because they haven't.

A sony mp game that cant crack the top 10 is not going "to take them to the next level"

 

[DForce]

No, sony have not had a top 10 online mp game, because they haven't.

A sony mp game that cant crack the top 10 is not going "to take then to the next level"

You're talking about making the top 10 period?

Where are your facts to support this statement?

 

[remember_spinal]

Factions will be a top 10 multiplayer. Naughty dog doesn’t put out duds at this point

Their gameplay alone is already top notch

 

[Sosokrates]

You're talking about making the top 10 period?

Where are your facts to support this statement?

PS-Timetracker

Want to know how long it took you to finish your favorite game or complete that super hard platinum? Just add the bot as a friend on PSN to see your stats in detail.

ps-timetracker.com

And player numbers.

Twitch numbers.

Youtube + social media views.

Sony online mp games have never been that popular.

 

[DForce]

PS-Timetracker

Want to know how long it took you to finish your favorite game or complete that super hard platinum? Just add the bot as a friend on PSN to see your stats in detail.

ps-timetracker.com

And player numbers.

Twitch numbers.

Youtube + social media views.

Sony online mp games have never been that popular.

"Here are the stats for the top 100 most played games last 30 days. 12568 active players were tracked."

You're literally talking about 12.5k players who only choose to include their stats. This is not actually reliable data.

This stat doesn't include when the game was released.

Twitch numbers don't mean anything. Fighters pull in a lot of Twitch viewers and social media posts, yet their titles are very niche.

So in all, you don't have any proof.

Gran Turismo sold 8 million copies, yet you want to believe that it was at no point in the top 10. There's also the fact that games tend to die out after a few years and their biggest MP games were released years ago.