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[levyjl1988]

None of the major players earn that much from hardware, even Nintendo's margins are low all things considered.

The console business is a software game, you give away the hardware (the razor) to sell the games (blades). People incorrectly assume that MS has never turned a profit on Xbox in total (which is impossible with the software sales they had going in the last few years of the 360 gen), that isn't something that MS has ever stated. They don't make money on the hardware alone.

I can see them profiting from accessories like controllers and Xbox Live and Game Pass.
So SEGA getting out of the console war and making software for multiplatform makes sense then.

 

[Edder1]

These acquisitions are probably gonna make people buy multiple consoles in order to play the games they want, I'm just glad I game on PC.

 

[kingfey]

MS puts everything on Steam, so, they aren't forcing their store there. Zenimax was structured in much the same way as traditional first-party studios, both in terms of release schedule and head count. Activision is a different animal, it absolutely could go the same way, but could go the other too. You drive GP with value, CoD would still pull some Sony players to GP based on the value alone (with extras like early access and exclusive DLC pitching in as well).

I'll just wait for the first post 2023 release to see how that one turns out.

Activision took call of duty from steam. Its one of the reason, why Sony was the dominant platform. putting the game on steam, will cover the PlayStation players.

You cant drive the value of gamepass, if you still leave it on PlayStation. Remember, these guys paid 70$ for vanguard. They wont sub to gamepass, because its cheap. Only they will sub to it, if its on the same platform as gamepass. Plus MS earns money from gamepass users, from their own dlc games. Only the base game is on gamepass. You still need to buy the dlc. So MS would make way more money that way.

 

[kyliethicc]

The signs were there.

This is from a year ago.

Just down the way from Guerrilla Games.

Bungie opening Amsterdam publishing office

Bungie today announced a series of expansion plans including the establishment of its first international office.The ne…

www.gamesindustry.biz

"Bungie today announced a series of expansion plans including the establishment of its first international office.

The new office will open next year in Amsterdam, and will house the studio's publishing and marketing divisions."

 

[DaGwaphics]

I can see them profiting from accessories like controllers and Xbox Live and Game Pass.
So SEGA getting out of the console war and making software for multiplatform makes sense then.

I'd say SEGA would still like to be in the console game if they could. Even Xbox as the smallest player dwarfs Sega. It was just too expensive for them to compete against tech companies with outside money (Sony and MS). Nintendo was in the same spot, but they made all the right decisions to stay strong (although even they ultimately quit competing head to head with hardware after the GC).

 

[DaGwaphics]

Activision took call of duty from steam. Its one of the reason, why Sony was the dominant platform. putting the game on steam, will cover the PlayStation players.

You cant drive the value of gamepass, if you still leave it on PlayStation. Remember, these guys paid 70$ for vanguard. They wont sub to gamepass, because its cheap. Only they will sub to it, if its on the same platform as gamepass. Plus MS earns money from gamepass users, from their own dlc games. Only the base game is on gamepass. You still need to buy the dlc. So MS would make way more money that way.

Definitely valid points. It could certainly go in any direction. I guess we'll know by mid 2023.

 

[Lognor]

With MS buying 3rd party IP’s and publishers, I think Playstation needs to aswel. Not what I wanted Playstation to do but with MS buying loads, they are kinda forced to. But buying Bungie wouldnt be my first choice, as they lack IPs. Bungie does fill in the 1st person shooter studio needed though.

I was happy with Playstation just creating IP’s with studios they work with exclusively for a long time and then purchasing them. Like working with Naughty Dog exclusively for awhile before buying them. But now I think its more important for them to buy a publisher with familiar playstation 3rd Party IP’s before MS does. Be awful if GTA6 or 7 etc wont be on the PS6 as they have always been on the Playstation since GTA1.

Yep agree completely. This fills a massive hole for Sony so it makes perfect sense. For me, I don't love it because Destiny isn't a good game in my opinion. But I know it has a following and again, checks that box for online competitive fps. Someone like SE or Capcom would be a lot more exciting, but this probably makes more sense for Sony at this time. It is what it is. Hopefully the next one will be more interesting.

 

[SentientStone]

Holy shit, didn't expect this. lol

EDIT: I can see how this makes sense, Sony needs some top-tier first-party FPS games. They dominate the third-person narrative driven experiences already.

 

[El Pistolero]

Not a bad choice, but will they just be a Destiny machine?

Definitely a Sony size acquisition. No way they were going to be able to counter ActiBlizz with something of scale.

There are definitely more Sony acquisitions coming in the next 18 months or so. This one is a smart move: You get a semi-publisher with world-class FPS and GAAS know-how; You help them grow and recoup your investment and then some in the next few years; You obtain IP that you can use to bolster your movies/TV shows catalogue (especially Sony Pictures with the Playstation Productions initiative); You allow your own studios to benefit from Bungie's MP expertise, an area the likes of Firesprite, London Studio, Insomniac...could learn from Bungie in.

 

[Gavon West]

That makes sense to me.

Basically the kind of counter move I’d expect from Sony losing CoD, also fills a big gap in their first party lineup (shooter and GaaS), and it is not that expensive either.

Also throws shade at MS in the process. I’m sure Sony is a bit different embarrassed bu recent MS acquisitions. MS losing Bungie again just throws egg back at their face

FOH. Microsoft had the opportunity to purchase Bungie but they passed as they wanted too much. Also, what gives with Bungie still being multiplatform? I mean, like, really ....WTF?

In either case, good for Sony, I suppose?

 

[Dr. Claus]

Good luck finding a PC with DVD drive in 2022.

Good thing they are easily purchasable for my hundreds of physical PC games and have USB variants. Really not that difficult. Not sure why people are championing the death of physical media. Its almost like you want less rights as consumers.

 

[kingfey]

If you mean Phil Spencer, MS said when acquiring Mojang, Zenimax and ABK that they were going to keep supporting the IPs that were on the other consoles there, that they didn't want to keep games away.

As of now, after acquisition all the Mojang, Zenimax and ABK IPs that were on PS got all their updates, dlcs and new games released on PS, none of them has been Xbox console exclusive.

Jimbo and Bungie have been clear too: they said Bungine will continue as an independent multiplatform publisher under SIE, that their future games and new IPs released after Destiny 2 will be also released on non-Sony consoles.

Minecraft is not simple IP. That game is its own brand. MS made a an educational Minecraft. You cant compare it to Bethesda or ACTivision. Not to mention, Minecraft is targeted toward kids. That it is multiplatform game. spin off or not.

Call of duty is yearly release game. Not on-going game. Eso is on-going game, its normal for that game to stay multiplatform. but anything that is new, is exclusive to xbox from these titles.

Bungie new destiny would be PC/ Sony systems. With xbox buying activision, destiny 2 players on xbox will dwindle due to COD being on gamepass. Unless they want small players from xbox.

 

[El Pistolero]

That makes sense to me.

Basically the kind of counter move I’d expect from Sony losing CoD, also fills a big gap in their first party lineup (shooter and GaaS), and it is not that expensive either.

Also throws shade at MS in the process. I’m sure Sony is a bit different embarrassed bu recent MS acquisitions. MS losing Bungie again just throws egg back at their face

You really think Sony, or any other corporation, would invest billions of dollars...to throw eggs at another corporation?

 

[Swift_Star]

Q. Bungie has future games in development, will they now become PlayStation exclusives?
No. We want the worlds we are creating to extend to anywhere people play games. We will continue to be self-published, creatively independent, and we will continue to drive one, unified Bungie community.

Bungie.net

www.bungie.net

That was not the question.

 

[kingfey]

Good thing they are easily purchasable for my hundreds of physical PC games and have USB variants. Really not that difficult. Not sure why people are championing the death of physical media. Its almost like you want less rights as consumers.

Cost of production.

 

[Lognor]

These acquisitions are probably gonna make people buy multiple consoles in ouder to play the games they want, I'm just glad I game on PC.

Yeah, PC is becoming the best place to game. You might not get everything, but you'll get most of the best games. And now with Sony making PC ports it's less likely you'll miss out on anything.

I personally would have gone all in on my PC if not for the Game Pass 3 year deal. Game Pass on PC still isn't great so it made a lot of sense to grab that Series X and load up on Game Pass. When that expires I might transition over to PC. But yeah, if you can afford it, a PC is the way to go long term.

 

[Anos Voldigoad]

Only those who wants to be blinded from the truth would think there'll be no exclusive ever coming out of Bungie for PlayStation in the near future. 3.6b for nothing? Lol ok keep telling yourself that.

 

[Swift_Star]

People still believing future games will be on Xbox are really that innocent? Call me when bungie specifically say their future games Will be on Xbox.

 

[Lognor]

Q. Bungie has future games in development, will they now become PlayStation exclusives?
No. We want the worlds we are creating to extend to anywhere people play games. We will continue to be self-published, creatively independent, and we will continue to drive one, unified Bungie community.

Bungie.net

www.bungie.net

OH wow. That is pretty definitive. So Bungie will continue to publish and continue to release games on Xbox. Wow! I wonder why Sony okayed this?????

 

[Swift_Star]

Only those who wants to be blind from the truth would think there'll be no exclusive ever coming out of Bungie for PlayStation. 3.6b for nothing? Lol ok keep telling yourself that.

These are the same people that were laughing at ps users, ironic isn’t it?

 

[Aguero9320]

This is interesting. And a little weird. I don’t understand why they would buy Bungie but keep them independent. But whatever.

All signs point to Sony moving away its walled garden, but they won’t put Bungie games on Xbox IMO. Although I would like it if they did. I’d expect PS and PC day one releases though, and I think that’s the path Sony is on across the board, which I think is real progress!

Feel like they overpaid for Destiny and Marathon though, but not my money…

 

[kingfey]

FOH. Microsoft had the opportunity to purchase Bungie but they passed as they wanted too much. Also, what gives with Bungie still being multiplatform? I mean, like, really ....WTF?

In either case, good for Sony, I suppose?

Especially with MS owning COD. You are telling people to go to that console.
This act would help xbox alot. Same as how COD being on PS, would benefit Sony financially. Any COD players on that system, can buy games from Sony, which will help sony financially. Same for bungie players on xbox.
That 70% isnt worth it at all. You can gain 100%, and 30% from any game purchases from these players.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Call me biased but I don't see the incredible unique talent worth that sum nor do I see more than a single IP worth mentioning.

First, multiplayer isn't about IP, it's about mechanics.

Second, the industry is maturing. They've spent 30+ years creating and fine tuning gameplay mechanics, mostly in single player games. Stealth, racing, platforming, shooting etc...

The industry has essentially mastered a wide range of game types.

Phase 2 is combining more and more of these game types (and fans of those game types) into a shared world where they can make fortunes from players who spend thousands of hours in them rather than 20 hours.

Multiplayer GAAS is literally oil or gunpowder in its earliest form. Horses and spears will still be made but the rush for all these corporations is to leverage thes big explosion.

Bungie is an expert in multiplayer GAAS. Sony is hoping / betting that Bungie can create the car / automatic rifle. They bought Bungie for the next 20 years, not for the last 20 years. Bungie's IP is essentially meaningless to Sony (other than squeezing out the little that's left of those games).

 

[Lognor]

Only those who wants to be blinded from the truth would think there'll be no exclusive ever coming out of Bungie for PlayStation in the near future. 3.6b for nothing? Lol ok keep telling yourself that.

Ever is a long time. It sounds like in the near term they will release games on Xbox. Three years ago if I had said Sony will develop an Xbox game I would have been a laughingstock. But here we are with Sony developing MLB The Show on Xbox (day one on Game Pass at that!). So who knows about ever. In the next several years Bungie will be business as usual, it seems.

 

[kingfey]

People still believing future games will be on Xbox are really that innocent? Call me when bungie specifically say their future games Will be on Xbox.

no one is believing that. Especially, when Sony is the one who owns them.

People are being deceived by that full liberty, which bungie has after the purchase.

 

[gow3isben]

We.

Clap.

Back.

Lets go baby!

Sony needs to get at least 3 ideally all 5 of:

- Capcom
- Square/Enix
- CDPR
- FromSoft
- Remedy

I think with 20B all 5 are possible.

And no matter what Microsoft does whether it is shelling 20B alone on Take 2 or 40B on EA or both Sony will always remain market leader.

I friggin live this acquisition war it is so entertaining. Goody-two shoes who hate “consolidation” are such killjoys

 

[Lognor]

yurinka , can you weigh in? Will Bungie games continue to release on Xbox?

 

[Rusty Shackelford]

Sony in 5 years when Bungie releases jack shit.

 

[Lognor]

no one is believing that. Especially, when Sony is the one who owns them.

People are being deceived by that full liberty, which bungie has after the purchase.

People, including Bungie management? It states very definitively that they will continue to publish and release games outside of the PS consoles.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

FOH. Microsoft had the opportunity to purchase Bungie but they passed as they wanted too much. Also, what gives with Bungie still being multiplatform? I mean, like, really ....WTF?

In either case, good for Sony, I suppose?

We don't know if Microsoft passed on Bungie

But I have 80 Billion reasons to believe that price wasn't an issue. We are talking about 3.6B dollars, chump change for MS

Perhaps Bungie just didn't want to be purchased by Microsoft, given their history together.

 

[VinnyMac]

Lmaoooooo this is a pure fuck you move and nothing else. Destiny 3 exclusive tho . With Activision ms has to keep some stuff multi with this Sony foes not. Still think Ms get was bigger and has a bigger appeal tho.

 

[kingfey]

Call me biased but I don't see the incredible unique talent worth that sum nor do I see more than a single IP worth mentioning.

Those guys made Halo. They have the talent, and tools at their disposal. Only a fool would say those words.

Insomniac benefited massively from xbox funding their sunset project. They gained new tools, which they used to make Spiderman, miles, Ratchet, and now new spiderman and wolverine.

These tools are what matters. MS gained massive tools from Bethesda, and would gain from ACTivision.

 

[kingfey]

People, including Bungie management? It states very definitively that they will continue to publish and release games outside of the PS consoles.

PC is your answer. No way Sony will agree to that. That would help xbox lineup. Call of duty, halo, and now bungie games. Who will go to Sony systems, with those games at xbox disposal?

 

[Hendrick's]

People still believing future games will be on Xbox are really that innocent? Call me when bungie specifically say their future games Will be on Xbox.

Well MS has the bigger dildo in ActiBlizz to smack them back with. Trust me, Sony is going to be careful how far they push from this point on.

 

[Lognor]

PC is your answer. No way Sony will agree to that. That would help xbox lineup. Call of duty, halo, and now bungie games. Who will go to Sony systems, with those games at xbox disposal?

But look at their words: "We want the worlds we are creating to extend to anywhere people play games"

People play games on Xbox. They play Bungie games on Xbox. They won't turn down all that potential revenue.

 

[Stuart360]

Good thing they are easily purchasable for my hundreds of physical PC games and have USB variants. Really not that difficult. Not sure why people are championing the death of physical media. Its almost like you want less rights as consumers.

I think its more about accepting reality. PC has been digital for years, and this is 100% the last console gen with a disk drive as by the end of the gen digital purchases will probably be in the 95%+ range (hell Xbox is nearly there already with its 90% Vanguard sales being digital).

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Recall that Tencent purchased Leyou for $1.5 Billion

Bungie at 3.6B is a MUCHHHHHHH better acquisition.

 

[DaGwaphics]

These are the same people that were laughing at ps users, ironic isn’t it?

I know. It's like those users that were praising Saint Sony for never buying established 3rd party studios/IP.

 

[Mr Moose]

Activision took call of duty from steam. Its one of the reason, why Sony was the dominant platform. putting the game on steam, will cover the PlayStation players.

What? You think 15 million people on Steam bought Call of Duty when it was on there?

 

[Varnish La PS]

Jimbo just wanted to show us how worthless Bethesda actually is.

 

[kingfey]

Well MS has the bigger dildo in ActiBlizz to smack them back with. Trust me, Sony is going to be careful how far they push from this point on.

That wont matter, until MS has the SP games.

MS needs to strengthen their SP games, before they become serious contender to Sony. Remember Sony has Disney line call. They can do marvel game, and most US residents will buy PS5-6 for that. Especially with how Spiderman sold alot of ps4 consoles.

 

[graywolf323]

If MS dictated what their studios made, Rare never would've produced their most successful game ever and if Sony gave their studios total freedom, then Bend would be making Days Gone 2 right now.

based on what exactly? it's been said multiple times that the studio heads were the ones that shot down Days Gone 2

 

[kingfey]

What? You think 15 million people on Steam bought Call of Duty when it was on there?

Your 15m is from coldwar, which did 30m sales. That game wasnt on steam. It was on battle net.

If Coldwar was on steam, it would have done more than 30m sales. and steam would have had more users.

 

[3liteDragon]

Just skimmed Bungie’s statement - just reminds me of the blumf that has been said about Zeni and CoD future games - ‘we can choose our own destiny’ yeah, and you will choose to publish your next game on PS and PC only, or else big Jim will put a bullet in your head.

The wording is still confusing to me tbh.

 

[Mr Moose]

Your 15m is from coldwar, which did 30m sales. That game wasnt on steam. It was on battle net.

If Coldwar was on steam, it would have done more than 30m sales. and steam would have had more users.

I am talking about WW II, which is available on Steam.

Call of Duty: WWII -

Steam Spy automatically gathers data from Steam user profiles, analyzes it and presents in simple, yet beautiful, manner. Steam Spy is designed to be helpful for indie developers, journalists, students and all parties interested in PC gaming and its current state of affairs.

steamspy.com

You are high if you think Call of Duty is massive on Steam.

 

[PuppetMaster]

Holy shit!

LOL things have come full circle!

 

[Jaguar Victory]

Yeah, PC is becoming the best place to game. You might not get everything, but you'll get most of the best games. And now with Sony making PC ports it's less likely you'll miss out on anything.

I personally would have gone all in on my PC if not for the Game Pass 3 year deal. Game Pass on PC still isn't great so it made a lot of sense to grab that Series X and load up on Game Pass. When that expires I might transition over to PC. But yeah, if you can afford it, a PC is the way to go long term.

PC is good but not for everything. Too many hackers and cheats. I enjoy both.

 

[kingfey]

But look at their words: "We want the worlds we are creating to extend to anywhere people play games"

People play games on Xbox. They play Bungie games on Xbox. They won't turn down all that potential revenue.

Phil spencer said the same thing with bethesda. This is BR buzz word.

People have PC. They can play on PC. PC have more users than 3 consoles combined, on multiple launchers, all around the world, and its easy to access it.

 

[GHG]

We.

Clap.

Back.

Lets go baby!

Sony needs to get at least 3 ideally all 5 of:

- Capcom
- Square/Enix
- CDPR
- FromSoft
- Remedy

I think with 20B all 5 are possible.

And no matter what Microsoft does whether it is shelling 20B alone on Take 2 or 40B on EA or both Sony will always remain market leader.

I friggin live this acquisition war it is so entertaining. Goody-two shoes who hate “consolidation” are such killjoys

Kretos... Is that you?

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

But look at their words: "We want the worlds we are creating to extend to anywhere people play games"

People play games on Xbox. They play Bungie games on Xbox. They won't turn down all that potential revenue.

We've come full circle lmao. I mean come on you were all dragging on PS guys in the Activision and Zenimax threads for this shit.

It's confirmation that the games aren't going to be just on PS. It's not confirmation they're going to be on Xbox.