sncvsrtoip
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yeah Sony probably overpaid but they noticed their weaknes of lacking fpp and gaas games and thats the reason they decided for a deal
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RoadHazard
Gold Member
Hasn't TESO been pretty successful? Maybe it's not anymore, I don't follow MMOs.
lucius
Member
Great move which they needed to make, more a defensive move right now, but with Sony with them wouldn't surprise me see some greatness again, skies the limit with Sony. They should look into like Platinum Games, Avalanche, Crystal Dynamics etc but also at least one other Big one . Was a good buy considering what's been going on.
It's doing pretty good, last numbers I saw had it at 18 million life time players compared to 20mil for final fantasy 14 and 100+ million for wow.
Rurhanograthul02
Banned
Gears Of War is the Surprise Franchise that made even PC Gamers Envious on Release, These Other Guy's Had To Pay A Fee To Get Out from Under The Microsoft Brand Just
So They Could Be Purchased And Owned Again? Hilarious!! Maybe An Amazing IP Will Come Out Of This!!
So They Could Be Purchased And Owned Again? Hilarious!! Maybe An Amazing IP Will Come Out Of This!!
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It seems like a bargain now after seeing the last two acquisitions.
ManaByte
Gold Member
yea. $2 Trillion company is going to change how they do things because of what a competitor a fraction of their size is doing.
pasterpl
Member
Not really. Sony paid 14x on bungee revenues, ms paid 8-9x on actibliz revenues, and 14-15x on zenimax revenues. Looking at this actiblizzard was the real bargain while bungie and zenimax were both similar.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Where did you get revenue for Bungie and Zenimax from?
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Swift_Star
Banned
Keep telling yourself that.
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pasterpl
Member
Bungie: Revenue, Competitors, Alternatives
Bungie top competitors are The World and they have annual revenue of $482.7M and 1671 employees.
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Swift_Star
Banned
Well, they created gamepass and play anywhere because they were losing to Sony, so…
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Bungie: Revenue, Competitors, Alternatives
Bungie top competitors are The World and they have annual revenue of $482.7M and 1671 employees.
Interesting stuff thanks
Suprised at the headcount. They've nearly doubled the 600 employees they had in 2019
ManaByte
Gold Member
Who was Office losing to when they made Office 365?
Swift_Star
Banned
Those things are unrelated. Do you really believe MS would’ve created gamepass and play anywhere had they been on first place?
Everyone and their mother know this was an act of desperation to remain relevant.Dude really .. subscription services is a thing the past 12 or so years .. they are late ..Those things are unrelated. Do you really believe MS would’ve created gamepass and play anywhere had they been on first place?
ManaByte
Gold Member
They’re absolutely related. Hell at one point MS was going to do the same thing with Windows.Those things are unrelated. Do you really believe MS would’ve created gamepass and play anywhere had they been on first place?
Leyasu
Banned
Not quite. More like a way of securing funding for content. Microsoft sold us the biggest crowd funding project ever.Those things are unrelated. Do you really believe MS would’ve created gamepass and play anywhere had they been on first place?
Sony too have seen light. They will eventually do the same thing.
Swift_Star
Banned
They aren’t. They did to remain relevant and don’t shut Xbox down. It was the only thing they could do in order to survive. Sorry, bud, MS is not this ultra smart company you think it is.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Money losses will force their asses to. And it's a ~$50B only company, without counting debt.
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ManaByte
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ManaByte
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assurdum
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Dick Jones
Gold Member
Bungie has a history of telling their boss to go fuck themselves. They could have been only willing to sell provided they are left to their own devices pre-acquisition and only need to share information/tech with Sony Studios. If Sony start impeding on Bungie's choices, I could see staff leaving. Keep it multiplatform and spare the drama.
TrebleShot
Member
Businesses make moves to make money , not to win arbitrary console wars.
The purchase of Bungie to the end user creates more diverse mp content for Sony and ultimately leads to more ways to monetise their content to bring more revenue in.
The console war is irrelevant in this scenario.
Having Bungie games on XBOX only benefits them.
The purchase of Bungie to the end user creates more diverse mp content for Sony and ultimately leads to more ways to monetise their content to bring more revenue in.
The console war is irrelevant in this scenario.
Having Bungie games on XBOX only benefits them.
Leyasu
Banned
I love reading that guys posts.
They are like the musings of a man who was abducted by aliens and lobotomised.
Boy bawang
Member
I'm no business expert, but this seems like such a bizarre acquisition.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
That's nice for financially inept people and fairytales.
Basil King
Member
Why? They would still make money off of every copy sold and bundle the games again. They will get all the money from microtransactions. I think this is just A GAF/ERA problem. These sites are a Haven for single player experiences and don't comprehend and tend to dislike / not like anything GaaS. Yes I understand the game with the highest amount of OT's in GAF history is Destiny but that doesn't change the fact if a poll was done here today "what do you like more single player or GaaS" that single player would win by some ridiculous number. The talk of "boring acquisition" is stemming from people who don't get it. Yet this move will benefit the the larger majority of PS5 users that don't post on forums, and yes, having a new Bungie IP on the system (even if it's not an exclusive) will make Bank for Sony once the faucet is turned on and money rolls in from Xbox and PC
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Helghan
Member
That's not really a war when you compare Microsoft with Sony. They just had a net income of 18.8 billion in 1 quarter...
ManaByte
Gold Member
It’s not really that. It’s correcting a mistake they made two generations ago in order to stay competitive in 2022. They threw all their chips in the single player pile after Uncharted‘s success while GAAS games became the big money makers. Fortnite alone makes $5 BILLION a year. Sony couldn’t wait until the PS6 to organically grow a GAAS studio, Bungie is already successful as an independent studio focusing on GAAS, so this fills in a big gap in Sony’s development muscle.
SSfox
Member
Looking at this deeper, and after they confirmed their games will stay multi, i don't see any interest of this for the Playstation player and fan.
Maybe the interest of this will be mainly for Sony to compensate cod microtransactions with Bungie benefits, and that money will be as usual be inject into Sony 1s party, so kinda indirect benefit, not sure just pure speculation from my part
Maybe the interest of this will be mainly for Sony to compensate cod microtransactions with Bungie benefits, and that money will be as usual be inject into Sony 1s party, so kinda indirect benefit, not sure just pure speculation from my part
Mass Shift
Member
I hope it works out for them. This studio fought VERY HARD for their independence from Microsoft. Publicly raged about it and then made a huge point of publishing with Activision, who ironically gets gobbled up by their former owners.
I just wouldn’t have guessed they would ever want to be under the control of another publisher or console manufacturer again.
Clearly something changed about that. Who knows? Maybe we’ll actually get a Marathon remake out of this
I just wouldn’t have guessed they would ever want to be under the control of another publisher or console manufacturer again.
Clearly something changed about that. Who knows? Maybe we’ll actually get a Marathon remake out of this
SuperSaiyanWithDreads
Banned
Yeah then explain why Spider-Man isn’t on Xbox anymore if Sony are the ones that wants “gaming for everyone”. Also Destiny 1 DLC was locked from Xbox till Destiny 2. “ Gaming for everyone”.
SLB1904
Banned
Now take playstation off the equation. Let's see what's revenue is left for Activision
Dick Jones
Gold Member
Spider-Man is on PS as Marvel went to Sony regarding exclusive use of one of their IP. Sony looked at their studios and partnerships and thought Insomniac would be best equipped to try this. Insomniac alone chose to make a Spider-Man game from Marvel's IP. Insomniac have stated this publicly. Blame Marvel for the situation if you want to blame anyone.
Regarding Destiny DLC, I'll answer that when you tell me how much Titanfall 1 costs on Playstation hardware?
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Thirty7ven
Banned
Man some of you are real weird, listen to yourself.
How are some of you dealing so badly with Sony owning Bungie now, when y’all were celebrating a 70B aqusition of AB, making COD exclusive, this after celebrating Bethesda.
Lol “Sony doesn’t own Bungie, they are just renting their services and one day Bungie will leave” goddamn. OUCH
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Badlucktroll
Member
Really really hope we get a great single player Marathon out of them. (With a simple online death match mode like back in the day of course).
MastaKiiLA
Member
I think context is important for stuff like this. Sony and MS both acquired studios for different reasons. To Sony, the ROI from Bungie won't be expected to come from milking the last drops from Destiny. It's going to come from the GaaS push that Sony will be able to undertake with Bungie's leadership/guidance. MS, OTOH, needs raw content. Bethesda and Activision are large publishers. They clearly are looking at volume, as that's essentially what Netflix did as well. Fill the catalog with enough stuff to keep your subscribers busy, and you'll lower your churn rate.
Both companies have different priorities, and expect to profit in different ways. Personally, I'm excited to see if Bungie can bring us a VR co-op shooter experience. I think PSVR2 has to be tied pretty tightly into whatever Sony's GaaS plans are, so Bungie should be working on something for that platform as well.
Gone
Banned
Because CoD isn't on Steam?Our personal opinions re Destiny 2 might differ (not a game for me for example) but your statement is completely wrong.
Destiny 2 was a top revenue generator on Steam in 2019, 2020 and 2021. It is a money making machine with a very loyal fan base. As a matter of fact CoD did not reach the top revenue generating spot on Steam any of those years in comparison.
Check your facts before writing.
Best of 2019 - Top Sellers
This list is as self-explanatory as it sounds - a look at games earning the most revenue in 2019. When measuring revenue, we look at game sales, in-game transactions and DLC associated with the game in question. You'll probably notice some familiar games that were in previous year's lists, along...store.steampowered.com
Best of Steam - 2020
A look back at the year's top sellers, new releases, most-played games, and more!
Best of Steam - 2021
A look back at the year's top sellers, new releases, most-played games, and more!
ethomaz
Banned
Depends to what Sony wants to sell, what the other party wants to buy, etc.
They can move the IP to their name before sell Bungie.
ethomaz
Banned
Just think a bit about which one will basically pay off these billion is very little time…
Konami, Atari or Bungie?
ethomaz
Banned
MTX revenue from Destiny is supposed to be over $300m alone… that doesn’t account for others revenue.
You are being very harsh with 14x.
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akaFullmetal
Member
Crazy, the world is upside down this year. FPS is really the only game type Sony doesn't invest in, so I guess it makes sense to acquire a development team finally and why not Bungie they make pretty good ones.