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[staticshock]

looks like someone beat me to it. There yall go. I hope he packaged it in ship (production) mode.

 

[vpance]

That would explain the framerate issues. 75% more pixels plus whatever the extra cost for epic settings.

The 3090 should offer 100% more performance than the ps5 and xsx in standard rasterization.

Do we know what resolution he's using? It runs very poorly even on a beast like an RTX 3090. Even turning the camera while walking along the street makes the demo stutter like crazy, way worse that what we've seen on consoles. Maybe it's running in 4K, I can see no other explanation.

This guy says he's running it at 50% screen percentage, but I'm not sure if that's based on the max res setting in the config, or 50% of the display res?

 

[CamHostage]

Can someone explain something?
If a dev wants to make their new game on this engine, do they pay for it? or they can use it freely?

The licensing structure is the same as UE4. Here's the official details:

Unreal Engine 5 remains free to download, and comes fully loaded and production-ready out of the box, with every feature and full source code access included.

As was the case for UE4, under the terms of the standard EULA, UE5 is free to use for learning, and for developing internal projects; it also enables you to distribute many commercial projects without paying any fees to Epic Games, including custom projects delivered to clients, linear content (such as films and television shows) and any product that earns no revenue or whose revenue falls below the royalty threshold.

A 5% royalty is due only if you are distributing an off-the-shelf product that incorporates Unreal Engine code (such as a game) and the lifetime gross revenue from that product exceeds $1 million USD; in this case, the first $1 million remains royalty-exempt.

Even if you are not a game developer, if you want to get and toy with Unreal Engine 5, it's a few clicks away. I'm doing it right now, for no reasons that I have plans for right now other than I'm super curious and am a tinkerer (but have no game design genes) and it's installing on my laptop now. You do need an Epic Games account to do much of anything with it (no sample apps) and there are probably a few other logistical hoops to jump through, but it's open to access.

 

[elliot5]

This guy says he's running it at 50% screen percentage, but I'm not sure if that's based on the max res setting in the config, or 50% of the display res?

I believe it’s 50% of the max setting so if it’s 4K he’s rendering 1080p in TSR

 

[Hoddi]

This guy says he's running it at 50% screen percentage, but I'm not sure if that's based on the max res setting in the config, or 50% of the display res?

I believe it’s 50% of the max setting so if it’s 4K he’s rendering 1080p in TSR

Yep, 50% TSR at 4k equals 1080p. But that performance shouldn't be GPU bound anyway as I'm having similar framerates on a 2080 Ti. It's not maxing out my card either as it's mostly running in the ~80% range.

 

[IntentionalPun]

This guy says he's running it at 50% screen percentage, but I'm not sure if that's based on the max res setting in the config, or 50% of the display res?

Oh is this that guy that made the futuristic flying suit guy demo from before?

 

[TLZ]

Beautiful. Fantastic.

 

[Calling 911 Melts Beams]

I just installed this update on all my unreal games and it was really easy

 

[Mr1999]

This is what a lot people wanted and they got it, downloading it now, cant wait to see it run on my 12700K@5.1GHZ/3070/32GB

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

Lyra and Quixel is fucking amazing in terms of what indies and small studios can just jump start right into.

Shit has more features than Halo Infinite's entire engine/pipeline/show /joke.

 

[Self_Destructive]

Gotta remember that's running in the editor..

 

[Xdrive05]

I got surprisingly acceptable performance (cinematically speaking lol) at 1080p in the Matrix demo executable with this setup:

Ryzen 5600X
16GB RAM
RTX 3050 8GB @ 2100Mhz/8.3Ghz
SATA SSD

Was over 50fps when looking at the ground or the skyline, but definitely dropping under 30fps when walking around in 3rd person and looking at the distant geometry. It would sometimes go to the low 20s for a spell. There was also some hitching and stuttering when flying around in drone mode or driving the car, but actually not too bad. I wonder if faster storage would help with that. The image quality looked really good and sharp on my 1080p monitor, so their upscaler seems also good at lower resolutions like FHD. UPDATE: almost always above 30fps now at the correct resolution. Just some drops into the 20s. Make sure you adjust GameUserSettings.ini to match your monitor.

Also I ran the executable as it came, but I saw no way to change technical settings like resolution or draw distance or anything like that. I assume it just targets your native resolution and that's that.

EDIT: forgot to mention VRAM usage stayed around 6.5GB at 1080p.

EDIT #2: Ah, it runs a little better now that I changed the resolution to my native 1080p instead of the odd, nearly 1440p resolution that it was defaulted to in the exe package. Now I'm almost always above 30fps, but there are still a few drops into the high 20s but much more rarely.

 

[Self_Destructive]

Ok, so I can't seem to run it because it says I'm missing a bunch of plugins.. where do I get them at? lol

 

[kraspkibble]

I thought it's been out as they were touting how Fortnite now runs on UE5.

it doesn't need to be out for Epic to use it. they created the engine so just updated Fortnite to run on it. now it's out anyone can use it but some studios have already been using it for a while.

 

[vpance]

Doesn't seem like any of the screen res settings actually apply once you hit preview, and it's only for viewing in the editor. So whatever res it runs at compiled it's not adjustable. Actually looks real similar to the PS5 version so I guess the settings are close.

 

[Hoddi]

Doesn't seem like any of the screen res settings actually apply once you hit preview, and it's only for viewing in the editor. So whatever res it runs at compiled it's not adjustable. Actually looks real similar to the PS5 version so I guess the settings are close.

It works but you'll need to package it as a Debug version rather than a Shipping version. This gives you access to the command console and more detailed metrics in profilers like Nsight etc.

You can then use the r.screenpercentage command to set the TSR resolution. Here it is at 50% to show that it's actually running at 1080p.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

looks like someone beat me to it. There yall go. I hope he packaged it in ship (production) mode.

Thanks for doing this.

Much appreciated

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

So 75% render of 1440p would be the typical console resolution?

 

[Trunim]

Just had a thought. I'm actually a big fan of games like Gone Home and so called "walking simulators". Won't Unreal Engine 5 make it easier for small developers to put those kind of games out?

 

[nkarafo]

I thought it was already out for some time now.

 

[Three]

Just had a thought. I'm actually a big fan of games like Gone Home and so called "walking simulators". Won't Unreal Engine 5 make it easier for small developers to put those kind of games out?

Unreal 5 makes it easier to put any type of game out so you probably wouldn't see more or less of a particular type of game. More good looking games with lower budgets maybe. It removes some of the asset creation tasks needed.

 

[nkarafo]

Enjoyed this googling, ps5 footage for now tho….

This looks almost as good as the 2005 Motorstorm PS3 trailer...

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

Zero mb vram? That's odd. 75% 1440p ultra btw
Edit nvm can't get vram to show up in any game for some reason
Edit 2
Restart fixed it 6800mb or so

 

[Hawking Radiation]

This may be a dumb question but...

Anyone know if there is option to switch resolution or does it default to your monitor native resolution.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

This may be a dumb question but...

Anyone know if there is option to switch resolution or does it default to your monitor native resolution.

You need to edit \windows\citysample\saved\config\windows\gameusersettings.ini

 

[winjer]

With this packaged demo, on a 2070S, 1440p native, I'm getting between 24-28 fps.
Setting it to TSR @ 77%, I get around 35 fps. And it still looks good.

There is a good amount of stutter while flying around in the city. So that's one thing UE5 hasn't fixed.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

With this packaged demo, on a 2070S, 1440p native, I'm getting between 24-28 fps.
Setting it to TSR @ 77%, I get around 35 fps. And it still looks good.

There is a good amount of stutter while flying around in the city. So that's one thing UE5 hasn't fixed.

If you turn off traffic and people the stutters go away for the most part

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

Just a quick little fly around max speed with traffic and people turned off.

 

[SlimySnake]

With this packaged demo, on a 2070S, 1440p native, I'm getting between 24-28 fps.
Setting it to TSR @ 77%, I get around 35 fps. And it still looks good.

There is a good amount of stutter while flying around in the city. So that's one thing UE5 hasn't fixed.

Looks to be on par with the PS5 and XSX. I guess it isnt utilizing the RTX cores effectively.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

Looks to be on par with the PS5 and XSX. I guess it isnt utilizing the RTX cores effectively.

All the settings are default ultra. We don't know the ps5 settings to know.

 

[winjer]

Looks to be on par with the PS5 and XSX. I guess it isnt utilizing the RTX cores effectively.

Yeah, no RTX and no DLSS with this demo.
So the 2070S is very similar to a PS5. If the PS5 was using the same settings.

If I remember correctly, the demo on the PS5 was running bellow 1440p most of the time.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

So the stutters seem to be 100% cpu related
Driving 100mph with traffic on and my cpu usage is 60-70% gpu usage 60-70%
Driving 100mph without traffic and my cpu usage is 40-50% and gpu usage is 90+%
There are basically zero stutters without traffic on as well.

 

[SlimySnake]

Yeah, no RTX and no DLSS with this demo.
So the 2070S is very similar to a PS5. If the PS5 was using the same settings.

If I remember correctly, the demo on the PS5 was running bellow 1440p most of the time.

The PS5 runs at native 1080p and then using TSR on top. So by setting TSR to 77%, you should be equivalent to PS5 settings. Yes, you are over 35 but the PS5 is capped so its hard to say what the actual

I was looking at some 3090 footage on youtube, and the game still drops to 20 fps on crashes just like the PS5 and XSX. Thats because their chaos destruction system doesnt currently support nanite. I wonder what test Alex will use to figure out the performance delta. I think the crashes are either bugged or work in progress so we shouldnt be basing it off of the worst case scenario. The driving test he did to compare the PS5 and XSX version has too many variables like different traffic density and car speeds. So I hope he doesnt use that either. I think flying through the sky above the traffic and looking for sub 30 fps drops is probably the best test, but the PS5 I/O might skew the results in its favor due to its streaming prowess, but the demo has a very low VRAM footprint so that actually might be the best test.

 

[ethomaz]

RTX 3090 no holding good at 30fps and by the comments from the autor seems like running at 1080p.



Flying.
He had to reduce to 50% screen resolution because RXT 3090 could not keep with it.

 

[SlimySnake]

So the stutters seem to be 100% cpu related
Driving 100mph with traffic on and my cpu usage is 60-70% gpu usage 60-70%
Driving 100mph without traffic and my cpu usage is 40-50% and gpu usage is 90+%
There are basically zero stutters without traffic on as well.

Whats your GPU?

 

[winjer]

RTX 3090 no holding good at 30fps and by the comments from the autor seems like running at 1080p.

That's in the game editor, which is heavier than the packaged demo, especially on ram and vram.
So it's a bad comparison.

Flying.
DLSS hit 50% because RXT 3090 could not keep with it.

That demo doesn't have DLSS.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

Whats your GPU?

3060 ti 3700x

 

[ethomaz]

I forget to say the guy is using a Intel 10900k.

 

[elbourreau]

Someone has a DL link other than Mega, please?

 

[ethomaz]

That's in the game editor, which is heavier than the packaged demo, especially on ram and vram.
So it's a bad comparison.

Just RAM changes to have the Editor opened.
The performance should be similar in CPU/GPU terms.
He has 64GB RAM so there is no problem in running from the Editor.

That demo doesn't have DLSS.

Yeap after I posted I realized he was asking for DLSS.
He have to drop to 50% screen resolution that for his case is around 1080p and it is not well playable with too many drops below 30fps.

Others users are posting the same even with TOP hardware... including these running the compiled version.

 

[winjer]

Just RAM changes to have the Editor opened.
The performance should be similar in CPU/GPU terms.
He has 64GB RAM so there is no problem in running from the Editor.


Yeap after I posted I realized he was asking for DLSS.
He have to drop to 50% screen resolution that for his case is around 1080p and it is not well playable with too many drops below 30fps.

Others users are posting the same even with TOP hardware... including these running the compiled version.

Dude, that demo running in the editor isn't even cooked.
It's not just memory.

At 1080p, I get almost 40 fps with a mere 2070S. On the packaged demo.

 

[ethomaz]

Someone has a DL link other than Mega, please?

You can download the project directly from Epic: https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/city-sample

The compiled was posted on Google Drive: https://t.co/mZ8JaSZyWa

 

[ethomaz]

Dude, that demo running in the editor isn't even cooked.
It's not just memory.

At 1080p, I get almost 40 fps with a mere 2070S. On the packaged demo.

Man I already worked with Unreal Engine Editor... it is just RAM... and System RAM only... I don't think they changed that to Unreal Engine 5 Editor.
CPU/GPU and VRAM use is basically the same.

If there is difference between CPU/GPU use then profiling with UE Editor should be fail.
That is why Dev machines has the same specs than actual retail machines just with more RAM for the tools.

What you debug/profile in UE Editor is the same result you will get in the actual hardware you are doing that.

 

[winjer]

The PS5 runs at native 1080p and then using TSR on top. So by setting TSR to 77%, you should be equivalent to PS5 settings. Yes, you are over 35 but the PS5 is capped so its hard to say what the actual

I was looking at some 3090 footage on youtube, and the game still drops to 20 fps on crashes just like the PS5 and XSX. Thats because their chaos destruction system doesnt currently support nanite. I wonder what test Alex will use to figure out the performance delta. I think the crashes are either bugged or work in progress so we shouldnt be basing it off of the worst case scenario. The driving test he did to compare the PS5 and XSX version has too many variables like different traffic density and car speeds. So I hope he doesnt use that either. I think flying through the sky above the traffic and looking for sub 30 fps drops is probably the best test, but the PS5 I/O might skew the results in its favor due to its streaming prowess, but the demo has a very low VRAM footprint so that actually might be the best test.

So I went back to the DF video and made a quick comparison.
At minute 35:40, they take a car and drive it along the street.
Without crashing, they get 24-28 fps. With some hitching.



So I took the package demo, set the res scale to 66% and drove on the same street, same car, but white.
I got 28-33 fps. But I got more hitching. Probably the PS5 SSD is doing much better job at streaming assets than my PC, on a demo without DirectStorage.

 

[winjer]

Man I already worked with Unreal Engine Editor... it is just RAM... and System RAM only... I don't think they changed that to Unreal Engine 5 Editor.
CPU/GPU and VRAM use is basically the same.

If there is difference between CPU/GPU use then profiling with UE Editor should be fail.
That is why Dev machines has the same specs than actual retail machines just with more RAM for the tools.

What you debug/profile in UE Editor is the same result you will get in the actual hardware you are doing that.

Insist whatever you want, a 3090 won't do worse frame rate than my 2070S.

 

[ethomaz]

Insist whatever you want, a 3090 won't do worse frame rate than my 2070S.

Insist in actual facts? C'mon.
Why not post your theory in a dev form to see the replies

 

[SlimySnake]

RTX 3090 no holding good at 30fps and by the comments from the autor seems like running at 1080p.



Flying.
He had to reduce to 50% screen resolution because RXT 3090 could not keep with it.

We dont know what settings the PS5 is using. Typically consoles use medium settings with RT settings lower than PC low. So any comparison with 3090 needs to take that into account.

3060 ti 3700x

that is roughly on par with my 2080. I need to download this demo, but my experience with the Ancient demo was so bad I swore off on installing UE5 again. Just couldnt get it to work.

Driving 100mph with traffic on and my cpu usage is 60-70% gpu usage 60-70%
Driving 100mph without traffic and my cpu usage is 40-50% and gpu usage is 90+%

So Epic was not lying when they said they did not max out the CPU to leave room for other game systems and logic. These kind of graphics should be definitely doable on next gen consoles.

The PS5 also holds a steady 30 fps when you remove traffic.

 

[ethomaz]

We dont know what settings the PS5 is using. Typically consoles use medium settings with RT settings lower than PC low. So any comparison with 3090 needs to take that into account.

Yeap I did not compare with PS5 or anything like.

 

[winjer]

Insist in actual facts? C'mon.

OK, you are right. A 2070S is much more powerful than a 3090.

 

[Polelock]

Tim Sweeney still a cunt