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[rofif]

Can't believe people spend 100 bucks on these shitty Pulse 3D

With a little saving and a bit of research, you can get much better audio from real headphones

Dont be so ignorant.
Pulse 3d is fantastic offer for 100$. WIRELESS with no delay, hiss. Great ps5 integration, comfort.
The audio quality does not fall short behind any wired headphones. These sound very good.
Sure, You can get similar audio quality if you connect (amazing) koss porta pro to the dualsense controller but pulse 3d is better integrated, goes lower when needed and is wireless.

much better audio from real headphones

Most bs thing I've heard all day. These are real headphones and sounding like good pair

 

[Borowski_1]

Dont be so ignorant.
Pulse 3d is fantastic offer for 100$. WIRELESS with no delay, hiss. Great ps5 integration, comfort.
The audio quality does not fall short behind any wired headphones. These sound very good.
Sure, You can get similar audio quality if you connect (amazing) koss porta pro to the dualsense controller but pulse 3d is better integrated, goes lower when needed and is wireless.


Most bs thing I've heard all day. These are real headphones and sounding like good pair

It's a headset, not an heaphone


People don't like to hear this, but even headphones under 200 bucks blows these gaming headsets of the water in terms of resolution, soundstage, imaging, clarity, etc

I've used headsets in the past, i know

 

[Urban]

Dont be so ignorant.
Pulse 3d is fantastic offer for 100$. WIRELESS with no delay, hiss. Great ps5 integration, comfort.
The audio quality does not fall short behind any wired headphones. These sound very good.
Sure, You can get similar audio quality if you connect (amazing) koss porta pro to the dualsense controller but pulse 3d is better integrated, goes lower when needed and is wireless.


Most bs thing I've heard all day. These are real headphones and sounding like good pair

i agree with you in the technical side but the headset feels pretty cheap.

For me personally the "wireless stereo headset 2.0" was the best. With those Audio profiles for each game. Why did they stop with this feature?
Destiny and Batman sounded so impressive with the audioprofile. One of the best audio experiences ive ever had.

 

[Topher]

It's a headset, not an heaphone


People don't like to hear this, but even headphones under 200 bucks blows these gaming headsets of the water in terms of resolution, soundstage, imaging, clarity, etc

I've used headsets in the past, i know

Are those headphones wireless?

 

[Borowski_1]

Are those headphones wireless?

no

most audiophile headphones are wired

sure, you can get stuff like the Hifiman Deva or Deva Pro, or the AKG K731 wireless, but those won't work on consoles

 

[CZY]

Can't believe people spend 100 bucks on these shitty Pulse 3D

With a little saving and a bit of research, you can get much better audio from real headphones

I’ve listened to you audiophile idiots for years and I don’t trust any of you. All you do is oversell your overpriced “flat response” garbage gear and talk shit about what others think. You’re awful people, most of you.

 

[Borowski_1]

I’ve listened to you audiophile idiots for years and I don’t trust any of you. All you do is oversell your overpriced “flat response” garbage gear and talk shit about what others think. You’re awful people, most of you.

where's the part i called myself an audiophile?

I just like good audio quality in games, and to see what's possible with it

and i just find it weird that some people spend thousands on TVs, and then use whatever cheap headset they have....

 

[rofif]

It's a headset, not an heaphone


People don't like to hear this, but even headphones under 200 bucks blows these gaming headsets of the water in terms of resolution, soundstage, imaging, clarity, etc

I've used headsets in the past, i know

This is simply bs.
200 bucks wired "headhone" does not BLOW this headset out of the water.
This is what good audio sounds like. You need to spend hundreds to get any better.
200 wired headphone might sound different in some areas. But it does not have to sound BETTER. just different most likely.
You pay hundreds more for barely perceivably difference.

I’ve listened to you audiophile idiots for years and I don’t trust any of you. All you do is oversell your overpriced “flat response” garbage gear and talk shit about what others think. You’re awful people, most of you.

Dude exactly!!! I've had so many headphones and dac and so on... and I remember when after years with obsessing over head-fi I've listened to 50$ koss porta pro - HEAD BLOWN.
Fuck flat response. Fuck audiophile crap tbh.
To me, pulse 3d sounds fantastic and even 50k usd headphones is not going to be THAT MUCH better.
It is not super bombastic bass heavy sounding like headsets of years ago. It is rather neutral with deep low when needed. And you can select profile on ps5.

i agree with you in the technical side but the headset feels pretty cheap.

For me personally the "wireless stereo headset 2.0" was the best. With those Audio profiles for each game. Why did they stop with this feature?
Destiny and Batman sounded so impressive with the audioprofile. One of the best audio experiences ive ever had.

I don't see the cheap feeling really but it is not the most sturdy thing ever, I agree.

 

[Topher]

no

most audiophile headphones are wired

sure, you can get stuff like the Hifiman Deva or Deva Pro, or the AKG K731 wireless, but those won't work on consoles

Well then there are tradeoffs. I don't want to mess with wires while I'm gaming.

and i just find it weird that some people spend thousands on TVs, and then use whatever cheap headset they have....

Because the sound is good enough for most and and at some point they need to have money to buy actual games. The audio is not the focus here for most, regardless. The visuals are. That's why they are called "video" games.

 

[Borowski_1]

This is simply bs.
200 bucks wired "headhone" does not BLOW this headset out of the water.
This is what good audio sounds like. You need to spend hundreds to get any better.
200 wired headphone might sound different in some areas. But it does not have to sound BETTER. just different most likely.
You pay hundreds more for barely perceivably difference.


Dude exactly!!! I've had so many headphones and dac and so on... and I remember when after years with obsessing over head-fi I've listened to 50$ koss porta pro - HEAD BLOWN.
Fuck flat response. Fuck audiophile crap tbh.
To me, pulse 3d sounds fantastic and even 50k usd headphones is not going to be THAT MUCH better.
It is not super bombastic bass heavy sounding like headsets of years ago. It is rather neutral with deep low when needed. And you can select profile on ps5.


I don't see the cheap feeling really but it is not the most sturdy thing ever, I agree.

believe what you want

you're paying for features, like wireless, noise cancelling, "3D", etc

on real headphones you're paying for audio quality

 

[rofif]

believe what you want

you're paying for gimmicks and features, like wireless, noise cancelling, "3D", etc

on real headphones you're paying for audio quality

It's not my belief. It's a fact I perceive.
Wireless is not a gimmick. It changed the way I use headphones. I was always ocd with keeping the cable nice and collected. Now f the cable. grab and go.
Pulse 3d got no noise cancelling
3d is a ps5 feature, not pulse 3d feature.

These are real headphones. There is no difference except added features. The dac is on the inside and not source. In fact, there is no cable and less travel for analog audio to go. The audio is digitally received and played straight out. So there is least distortion possible.
One might argue it is better this way than possibility for distortion with cables... but I am not going to go there just for the sake of trolling

 

[Borowski_1]

Well then there are tradeoffs. I don't want to mess with wires while I'm gaming.



Because the sound is good enough for most and and at some point they need to have money to buy actual games. The audio is not the focus here for most, regardless. The visuals are. That's why they are called "video" games.

And on more expensive TVs you know you notice the difference. Going from LED to OLED, you notice. Everyone notices, because that's how things are

But some people refuse to believe that more expensive audio gear make a difference, and that it will give a better experience

didn't say it was you, btw

 

[Borowski_1]

It's not my belief. It's a fact I perceive.
Wireless is not a gimmick. It changed the way I use headphones. I was always ocd with keeping the cable nice and collected. Now f the cable. grab and go.
Pulse 3d got no noise cancelling
3d is a ps5 feature, not pulse 3d feature.

These are real headphones. There is no difference except added features. The dac is on the inside and not source. In fact, there is no cable and less travel for analog audio to go. The audio is digitally received and played straight out. So there is least distortion possible.
One might argue it is better this way than possibility for distortion with cables... but I am not going to go there just for the sake of trolling

Those are headsets

Headphones don't have a mic. But whatever, have at it...

 

[EverydayBeast]

Actually think a headset is a good investment.

 

[PSYGN]

I also had tried them with Apex. Imagine wearing greased glasses, that's what the 3D setting did for me there but for audio instead. Very muffled with less directionality. I guess I was expecting it to work with everything.

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

I’ve listened to you audiophile idiots for years and I don’t trust any of you. All you do is oversell your overpriced “flat response” garbage gear and talk shit about what others think. You’re awful people, most of you.

Audiophile products are not overpriced. Gaming garbage with RGB and shitty mics are overpriced.

You can get Philips SHP9000 combined with a vmoda boom pro and they sound better and are cheaper than this gaming garbage.

 

[Majima Everywhere System]

They need to drop it and enable atmos. Im tired at this point.

 

[Spukc]

Dont be so ignorant.
Pulse 3d is fantastic offer for 100$. WIRELESS with no delay, hiss. Great ps5 integration, comfort.
The audio quality does not fall short behind any wired headphones. These sound very good.
Sure, You can get similar audio quality if you connect (amazing) koss porta pro to the dualsense controller but pulse 3d is better integrated, goes lower when needed and is wireless.


Most bs thing I've heard all day. These are real headphones and sounding like good pair

they feel so fucking cheap honestly.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0016MNAAI/?tag=neogaf0e-20 get this CZY

 

[Calverz]

I bought the pulse 3D at launch. Couldn’t tell the difference with the whole 3D sound. Tbh it’s just a marketing ploy to overcome the lack of Dolby atmos.
The headphones are also extremely uncomfortable after 1.5 hours use for me. In pictures the leather around earcups look thick but they are actually half that as the leather covers hard plastic half way up. Quite honestly I wouldn’t bother with them.

 

[Borowski_1]

I bought the pulse 3D at launch. Couldn’t tell the difference with the whole 3D sound. Tbh it’s just a marketing ploy to overcome the lack of Dolby atmos.
The headphones are also extremely uncomfortable after 1.5 hours use for me. In pictures the leather around earcups look thick but they are actually half that as the leather covers hard plastic half way up. Quite honestly I wouldn’t bother with them.

had the previous version and my ears touched the drivers all the time

couldn't stand them

 

[Topher]

I bought the pulse 3D at launch. Couldn’t tell the difference with the whole 3D sound. Tbh it’s just a marketing ploy to overcome the lack of Dolby atmos.
The headphones are also extremely uncomfortable after 1.5 hours use for me. In pictures the leather around earcups look thick but they are actually half that as the leather covers hard plastic half way up. Quite honestly I wouldn’t bother with them.

I don't care for the feel of Pulse 3D myself, but Tempest 3D sounds every bit as good as Dolby Atmos, imo.

 

[Swift_Star]

The headphones themselves are not that good but tempest 3D audio is amazing and works with any headphone.

 

[sol_bad]

where's the part i called myself an audiophile?

I just like good audio quality in games, and to see what's possible with it

and i just find it weird that some people spend thousands on TVs, and then use whatever cheap headset they have....

I just find it weird that someone would want to spend thousands of dollars on a TV and then $200 on a headset or headphone or whatever.
Proper home theatre sound all the way thanks.

 

[jorgejjvr]

I also had tried them with Apex. Imagine wearing greased glasses, that's what the 3D setting did for me there but for audio instead. Very muffled with less directionality. I guess I was expecting it to work with everything.

Yep, exactly this. Big bummer. With Dolby it's on, and works well overall. I never touch it. With this, I'm not about to turn it on and off for every game to see on which one it works well or not. So off it is

 

[jorgejjvr]

I don't care for the feel of Pulse 3D myself, but Tempest 3D sounds every bit as good as Dolby Atmos, imo.

Let me guess, on 1 or 2 very specific 1st party games? That's not overall functionality

 

[Topher]

Let me guess, on 1 or 2 very specific 1st party games? That's not overall functionality

No. Overall.

 

[jorgejjvr]

No. Overall.

LOL then I would love to know what's possibly different between the two of us, someone else above just like me, said how with apex it's a muffled mess. It's either 'okay', or a muffled mess, OR sure, it sounds great in returnal (supposedly), but that's a one off specific experience. At least for me, I would love to not have to turn it off, but who knows, maybe I'm doing something wrong

 

[Topher]

LOL then I would love to know what's possibly different between the two of us,

Our ears

 

[jorgejjvr]

Our ears

 

[rofif]

I just find it weird that someone would want to spend thousands of dollars on a TV and then $200 on a headset or headphone or whatever.
Proper home theatre sound all the way thanks.

What’s so weird?
Cheap tv is visibly worse compared to oled tv. Once you get oled, then upgrades are minimal.
But once you get 50 or 100 headphones, it’s done. Getting 500usd headphones will not change too much if anything compared to pulse 3d. In fact using other stuff will make the experience worse because pulse 3d is made by Sony and well integrated with ps5.
I argue it’s easy to recognize cheap tv compared to oled. But put 100 or 1000$ headphones in someone’s head and the opinion will be subjective.

About the speakers. I was really surprised how good lg C1 speakers are. I play at my desk and one set correctly, c1 sounds very close to presonus 3,5 studio speakers. I am really surprised. Out of the box setting make it sound like smartphone speakers lol but these are 2x 25w speakers inside. Not too bad. It’s just lg being crap with settings.
I could put 1000 audio system there but why? I don’t crank audio above 12 on the tv, the audio sounds good now and the setup is nice and tidy without cables

 

[SkylineRKR]

I would always prioritize a good TV, lol. Makes no sense to put a huge ass expensive sound system in my condo, unless I want the police at my door every night. I use a soundbar, which sounds surprisingly well (I removed my 5.1 setup years ago, I don't like the speakers and wires around). The Pulse 3D is a good headset for its price. I like it in combination with Returnal or GT7.

I have the Xbox headset as well, which I like more, but you have to pay for the DTS app and it does drop out more.

 

[Negotiator101]

Not to me. I paid the $15 Dolby Atmos fee app and it made Xbox headphone *as good* as PS5's, but not better.

Surely it's down to the headphones and not the tech being used? High quality headset would produce better sound than a cheap headset right?

 

[Panajev2001a]

Tbh it’s just a marketing ploy to overcome the lack of Dolby atmos

Is everything the competition does with allowing users to save at least $15 (license fee for ATMOS for headphones) to enjoy immersive 3D spatial audio just a marketing ploy . You sound incredibly dismissive… .

 

[Negotiator101]

It's a headset, not an heaphone


People don't like to hear this, but even headphones under 200 bucks blows these gaming headsets of the water in terms of resolution, soundstage, imaging, clarity, etc

I've used headsets in the past, i know

This was what I was thinking, surely the quality depends on the frequency levels each sound device covers? I have a sound system and the quality depends on how good my speakers are.

 

[Panajev2001a]

This was what I was thinking, surely the quality depends on the frequency levels each sound device covers? I have a sound system and the quality depends on how good my speakers are.

Depending on your ears you can hear the difference but there are things beyond quality (and how more and more difficult it gets to distinguish better audio quality). A decent 5.1 surround sound setup will beat a great stereo speaker pair. A decent 3D spatial audio enabled headset will best a more expensive stereo headset…

We will see where it gets them, but it is good for Dolby to have more competition and Sony is bringing their A game there and as engineers it is motivating to chase something like that especially considering Sony’s roots and cross company collaboration as well as what they know they want for VR purposes.
The result is that they brought custom HW they are in control of, custom software, no cost for end users, and people can now enjoy better 3D audio for TV speakers and headsets for no additional cost. Their solution being cheap for users and for devs and being as good as Dolby’s solution (some will say better, but we shall see especially with VR) at their first attempt is welcomed competition, right?

 

[Borowski_1]

What’s so weird?
Cheap tv is visibly worse compared to oled tv. Once you get oled, then upgrades are minimal.
But once you get 50 or 100 headphones, it’s done. Getting 500usd headphones will not change too much if anything compared to pulse 3d. In fact using other stuff will make the experience worse because pulse 3d is made by Sony and well integrated with ps5.
I argue it’s easy to recognize cheap tv compared to oled. But put 100 or 1000$ headphones in someone’s head and the opinion will be subjective.

About the speakers. I was really surprised how good lg C1 speakers are. I play at my desk and one set correctly, c1 sounds very close to presonus 3,5 studio speakers. I am really surprised. Out of the box setting make it sound like smartphone speakers lol but these are 2x 25w speakers inside. Not too bad. It’s just lg being crap with settings.
I could put 1000 audio system there but why? I don’t crank audio above 12 on the tv, the audio sounds good now and the setup is nice and tidy without cables

Why do oled TVs cost way more? Because they're better

It's the same with audio

Wanna use those Pulse 3D? Sure

Just dont pretend there arent better things out there

 

[phil_t98]

does the Sony headphones play atmos when watching films or is it still limited to the own audio solution? Curious about that

 

[Topher]

Surely it's down to the headphones and not the tech being used? High quality headset would produce better sound than a cheap headset right?

I’ve used headsets that worked on both systems. They are the same.

 

[rofif]

Why do oled TVs cost way more? Because they're better

It's the same with audio

Wanna use those Pulse 3D? Sure

Just dont pretend there arent better things out there

Not that much better.
And no other headphones will give you the same wireless integration with ps5.
It's not like I am going to put 5k$ headphones on my head and go wow - it's worth 4900$ move over pulse 3d.
But with TV, I would argue that the difference between cheap and oled tv is significant and scales with money spent up to the cheapest oleds

 

[Panajev2001a]

Not that much better.
And no other headphones will give you the same wireless integration with ps5.
It's not like I am going to put 5k$ headphones on my head and go wow - it's worth 4900$ move over pulse 3d.
But with TV, I would argue that the difference between cheap and oled tv is significant and scales with money spent up to the cheapest oleds

Even with TV’s one does not upgrade them every year as the quality jump to justify the extra expense must be good enough. Between C9 and this year C2 we are still not getting a large enough jump to justify it IMHO. Models keep coming out every year but I think that a jump every 4-5 years at least makes most sense… and I suspect it will give us longer and longer waits between big jumps (unless someone comes out with something like first nanotube TV with CRT like quality and no burn in and thin profiles, etc…).

 

[Borowski_1]

This was what I was thinking, surely the quality depends on the frequency levels each sound device covers? I have a sound system and the quality depends on how good my speakers are.

Depends of a lot of things

Frequency response (objective measurements)
Resolution
Soundstage (when sound doesn't feel in your head, but coming from outside)
Imaging (hability to tell where sounds are coming from)
Etc

As for frequency coverage, it doesn't matter much

Human ears cant hear anything below 20hz or anything above 15 or 16khz

 

[8BiTw0LF]

LOL then I would love to know what's possibly different between the two of us, someone else above just like me, said how with apex it's a muffled mess. It's either 'okay', or a muffled mess, OR sure, it sounds great in returnal (supposedly), but that's a one off specific experience. At least for me, I would love to not have to turn it off, but who knows, maybe I'm doing something wrong

Apex Legends just recently received a PS5 update. Sound is better than the PS4 version, but the game has notoriously bad sound queues.

Haven't heard a PS5 game sound bad yet, but there's a lot of PS4 games that sound muffled through 3D audio.

I'm using the praised Beyerdynamic DT-770 Pro 80ohm - one of the best headphones on the market and a fucking steal compared to other major Hi-Fi brands. They have extremely deep mids and can go high and low without sounding flat.

Returnal is the best sounding game I've ever played and nothing comes close. A truly demonstration of what 3D audio is. I've played a lot of "Atmos" games on my PC, but it ain't Tempest - that's for sure.

 

[Filben]

Coming from PC and DTX: Headphones und Dolby Atmos for Headphones, Sony's 3D audio isn't great really. I've tried my Steel Series und Beyerdynamic headsets and my book shelf speakers and no matter my peripherals or the profile presets in the PS5 menu the sound simply isn't good. Tried it in Forbidden West, Outriders, Apex Legends and Deathloop; those available on PC sound way better with DTX:H and Atmos Headphones.

Spacial acoustics are as good as in DTX Headphones and the Dolby variant if not slightly worse but it sounds low quality and muffled. Decided to leave it off.

It's probably better to get an external soundcard via USB connected that has a different 3d audio decoder.

 

[Tiamat2san]

Sonys solution is really underwelming in UC4 Among thieves and Spiderman MM.
The best sound on headphones so far this gen has been Halo infinite using dolby atmos for headphones.

Yep and gears 5.
The sound is really incredible in these two games.

 

[MonkeyClaw36]

What part of your post has anything to do with this thread?

Dont retort, makes you look dumb. He's right. Dolby Atmos/ Halo has jackshit to do with 3D audio. Sorry.... You're being a little kid.

 

[jorgejjvr]

Apex Legends just recently received a PS5 update. Sound is better than the PS4 version, but the game has notoriously bad sound queues.

Haven't heard a PS5 game sound bad yet, but there's a lot of PS4 games that sound muffled through 3D audio.

I'm using the praised Beyerdynamic DT-770 Pro 80ohm - one of the best headphones on the market and a fucking steal compared to other major Hi-Fi brands. They have extremely deep mids and can go high and low without sounding flat.

Returnal is the best sounding game I've ever played and nothing comes close. A truly demonstration of what 3D audio is. I've played a lot of "Atmos" games on my PC, but it ain't Tempest - that's for sure.

That's my thing, seems like we only have returnal and demons souls as an example. Maybe the best ever, but only 2 games. I need worldwide compatability

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Dont be so ignorant.
Pulse 3d is fantastic offer for 100$. WIRELESS with no delay, hiss. Great ps5 integration, comfort.
The audio quality does not fall short behind any wired headphones. These sound very good.
Sure, You can get similar audio quality if you connect (amazing) koss porta pro to the dualsense controller but pulse 3d is better integrated, goes lower when needed and is wireless.


Most bs thing I've heard all day. These are real headphones and sounding like good pair

I can only justify paying more or for other than Pulse 3D if someone has elephant ears or too much money to experiment and test things. To me Pulse 3D so far has been very satisfying.

 

[Calling 911 Melts Beams]

headphones are for people who are ashamed of their choices in porno

 

[FrankWza]

That's my thing, seems like we only have returnal and demons souls as an example. Maybe the best ever, but only 2 games. I need worldwide compatability

For Tempest? It won’t be possible unless the games audio is remixed. That’s why the best sounding games were made with Tempest. You can turn it off and match PS5 audio to the game or allow the game to dictate when necessary/possible. There is no turn on and forget settings when it comes to technology most of the time. That goes for video too.

 

[8BiTw0LF]

That's my thing, seems like we only have returnal and demons souls as an example. Maybe the best ever, but only 2 games. I need worldwide compatability

Very few games has excellent sound mixing - and people have different ears, obviously. Just look at the praise Halo is getting a couple of comments above.. I think thart game sounds mediocre compared to Returnal.