Honestly it was snake oil the moment they said it would work on standard TV speakers. You can have good virtual surround through a headset and it will be an improvement compared to tv speakers or cheap sound bars but it will never match positional surround. The human brain is just too good at detecting sound localization and can’t be fooled that easily.
Just an aside - spatial audio != 3D audio. Spatial audio is where the sound originates from a spot and will stay in that spot even when you turn your head, ie if the sound is coming from in front of you, if you turn your head to the right the sound will now be to your left. 3D audio from headsets is always just in relation to your head, so if it’s in front of you it will always be in front of you no matter where you’re looking.
I had a good old laugh when people were talking up tempest via stereo tv speakers and sound bars
Have you tried Cyberpunk?
Spatial audio has actually been around for what must be sixty something years now, long before Apple started using it as a brand name for a product and it's always refereed to the audio emanating from a particular place in space. It has existed in both 2D and 3D audio, although Apple's version of Spatial Audio does indeed use motion tracking so that you can change your orientation in the 3D space simply by moving your head, it's certainly not and never has been a requirement of spatial audio.
I just don’t see any way in which this is possible. With headphone 3D audio you’re literally trying to recreate what 5.1 and above systems give you by default. It can’t really be better because it’s trying to emulate it with lesser technology.
But how can it be better than actual speakers spaced around you physically in all directions? That’s what I mean, I just can’t see any possible situation where virtual sound through headphones can win.
In general, you pay for what you get. But yeah, if you don’t have the money for decent equipment then you have to be happy with the things that you get in your price range. Expectations should be adjusted accordingly
No surprise you’re banned but me who’s used it and practically every audio tech analysis in the industry who’s tested it
Could Tempest recognize a 3D sound system (receiver) that only supports Atmos?
Tempest is brand agnostic. It’s yet to support surround systems, but It will undoubtedly measure acoustics specific to individual setups and seating position using the Dualsense.
Yeah the point is, it's a little silly to call out a $100 setup verses a $1000 setup.
I was about to ask for a source on how virtual surround is considered “industry leading” by “practically every audio tech analysis” but I don’t think I’m getting one…
It's amazing on games that support. However if you're playing a ps4 game like warzone it's best to disable it.You remember all that 3D audio talk before Ps5 released
Unless a game or movie is made with an atmos track, Youre basically just getting a mix. It wouldn’t be much different than letting your receiver use whatever upfiring/downfiring included VSS it has. The only difference is, the atmos logo won’t show up on your receiver.
Digital Foundry particularly praised the 3D audio in UC4 (PS5). And I can confirm the audio is phenomenal. I think you need to play it (/again) with the right settings.
This. I have been playing Halo Infinite over the tv speakers (yeah, I know), and didn't think much of it. But I've been playing Hellblade with my headphones (and Atmos license), which also has fantastic sound by the way. But anyway, I switched over to Halo Infinite with headphones on and was completely blown away. It sounds so much better over headphones that tv speakers.
If you have a home cinema setup your receiver can do just as good of a job with an “atmos” setup. The only time the atmos sound will be better than the receiver lbs processing is if the track is mixed as an atmos track. There is no atmos mixed game, is there? There are Temepest ones though.
Why would you do this? There’s so much wrong with this statement. Proves that you’re bean shooting.
Really? That's funny because you constantly hear people saying Tempest is trash or it sounds muffled or isn't good, etc. But you rarely, if ever, hear people saying Atmos isn't good. Most agree that Atmos is very good. You'll hear people argue about what's better on Xbox, DTS or Atmos, but always positive things. Tempest gets a lot of heat. Atmos does not.
). That's a good point. Microsoft is paying something for that. Something that Sony is not willing to pay...for some reason.
Why would I do what? Play Hellblade? Use headphones? Your statement makes no sense.
You’re playing hellblade using Atmos. That’s what you said
Please explain what's wrong with that. What is the better way to play the game?
Like I said. It proves that you’re a bean shooter. So this entire statement is exactly why you, and the people who speak of Tempest are ill informed or just plain dumb.
Really? That's funny because you constantly hear people saying Tempest is trash or it sounds muffled or isn't good, etc. But you rarely, if ever, hear people saying Atmos isn't good. Most agree that Atmos is very good. You'll hear people argue about what's better on Xbox, DTS or Atmos, but always positive things. Tempest gets a lot of heat. Atmos does not.
And I did not realize that the licensing fee was only for headphones since I'm a pleb using tv speakers (I have the soundbar, just need to set it up along with my new A80J
But you have not addressed HOW I should be playing Hellblade if not over headphones with Atmos enabled. Is that not the best way to play? You said there is something wrong with my statement, but you won't state what it is. Quoting me and saying this is what's wrong with your statement means nothing. Now, let's try that one more time. Try to answer in a coherent fashion, please.
Really? That's funny because you constantly hear people saying Tempest is trash or it sounds muffled or isn't good, etc. But you rarely, if ever, hear people saying Atmos isn't good. Most agree that Atmos is very good. You'll hear people argue about what's better on Xbox, DTS or Atmos, but always positive things. Tempest gets a lot of heat. Atmos does not.
And I did not realize that the licensing fee was only for headphones since I'm a pleb using tv speakers (I have the soundbar, just need to set it up along with my new A80J
To you. And that's fair. I'm not an audiophile either so it could be the same for me. But I could tell the difference with and without Atmos and it's night and day. It seems others are a bit more critical of Tempest. Maybe bigger audiophiles? I dunno
There are quite a few Atmos compatible games, most Xbox first party is: https://www.dolby.com/experience/games/
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Compatibility does not mean the game was mixed as an Atmos track. Just like Dolby vision on xbox. It’s just adding post processing. That’s why you will see people raving about Demons Souls remake and Returnal. They are both made with Tempest and it shows. Like lognor is stating that he is using Atmos to play hellblade over headphones. The reality is, the devs of hellblade made a specific binaural track that is meant to be played that way. Him using Atmos is adding an extra layer of processing.There are quite a few Atmos compatible games, most Xbox first party is: https://www.dolby.com/experience/games/
Xbox One Dolby Atmos Games List
Dolby Atmos creates a realistic, immersive soundscape, but is not featured in every game. These are all Xbox One games with baked-in Dolby Atmos support so far.
In Halo Infinite and Gears 5 the experience is just better than with a headset. Of course it’s more expensive and I’m not saying headset is bad. I just disagree with the idea that it’s better than physical surround.
Read this for example: https://professional.dolby.com/gaming/gears-5-qa/
They remixed it. It still wasn’t made as an atmos track. If it’s impressive, it would be even more impressive had it been originally made as an atmos track.
No, the point is keeping your expectations in check. If you have a 100 sheets sony wireless headset and it sounds muffled and you are not impressed, then you were clearly expecting the impossible.
I had to look up the audio for Hellblade, and you're right. I should have turned Atmos off for that game. It still sounds great with Atmos, but I guess it must sound even better without. I'm still playing through it so next time I'll be sure that I have Atmos off.
Nothing to tell. I haven’t touched them.
I’ve tweaked them to a small degree but can recall exactly.
