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Damn, well that's good to know. Better stick wirh the C9 then. Buddy was hoping the G2 would kind of come near what the S95B is doing but based on these comments it's not even close.

QD OLED's substantial improvement is in color brightness, not white. The S95B is 2-3x brighter than the G2 is almost every color and would blow it out of the water in content that is graded to take advantage of it (which admittedly most theatrical films are not).

 

[Stafford]

QD OLED's substantial improvement is in color brightness, not white. The S95B is 2-3x brighter than the G2 is almost every color and would blow it out of the water in content that is graded to take advantage of it (which admittedly most theatrical films are not).

But for games it's a different story. I noticed it when I tried RDR2 in the snow side by side C9 vs S95B, same with Metro Exodus, Cyberpunk with the neon lights, fire effects etc. For movies he's with the C9 but he hoped the G2 would come a lot closer to S95B in games.

 

[Stafford]

By the way, during my side by side comparison of C9 and S95B I noticed something weird.

The exact same games look different on C9 in terms of how big a car in FH5 is, or a character in Gears 5. I thought my mind was playing tricks on me but I have the TVs exactly next to each other, same settings (as much as that's doable) and characters in the mission select screen of Gears 5 are noticeably bigger. To be 100% sure i was seeing things I measured it and it's true.

So does LG have some kind of different tech in terms of this? I must say I quite prefer it over S95B, but I don't get what's causing it. C9 is in 16/9 with just scan enabled and S95B is that too with fit to screen.

 

[Ironbunny]

By the way, during my side by side comparison of C9 and S95B I noticed something weird.

The exact same games look different on C9 in terms of how big a car in FH5 is, or a character in Gears 5. I thought my mind was playing tricks on me but I have the TVs exactly next to each other, same settings (as much as that's doable) and characters in the mission select screen of Gears 5 are noticeably bigger. To be 100% sure i was seeing things I measured it and it's true.

So does LG have some kind of different tech in terms of this? I must say I quite prefer it over S95B, but I don't get what's causing it. C9 is in 16/9 with just scan enabled and S95B is that too with fit to screen.

Should be same size. You must have some scaling setting on?

 

[Stafford]

Should be same size. You must have some scaling setting on?

I seriously have no idea what is doing it. I checked all the settings on the C9, the One X. Even connected my XSX to the C9. I'm going nuts here, lmao.

 

[Ulysses 31]

By the way, during my side by side comparison of C9 and S95B I noticed something weird.

The exact same games look different on C9 in terms of how big a car in FH5 is, or a character in Gears 5. I thought my mind was playing tricks on me but I have the TVs exactly next to each other, same settings (as much as that's doable) and characters in the mission select screen of Gears 5 are noticeably bigger. To be 100% sure i was seeing things I measured it and it's true.

So does LG have some kind of different tech in terms of this? I must say I quite prefer it over S95B, but I don't get what's causing it. C9 is in 16/9 with just scan enabled and S95B is that too with fit to screen.

Sounds like there some HDMI overscan going on? I think it's called "Just Scan" on LG which you should turn off in picture > additional settings.

 

[Stafford]

Sounds like there some HDMI overscan going on? I think it's called "Just Scan" on LG which you should turn off in picture > additional settings.

Off? Here I was told it should always be on.

Besides, when I turn it off it actually zooms in even more, da fuck!

 

[Ulysses 31]

Off? Here I was told it should always be on.

Besides, when I turn it off it actually zooms in even more, da fuck!

It's always off on my TVs since it zooms in a little.

Weird what it does on your TV...

 

[Reallink]

Off? Here I was told it should always be on.

Besides, when I turn it off it actually zooms in even more, da fuck!

Just Scan should be on with LGs. The Pixel Shift setting will also need to be turned off if you don't want any overscan at all. It reserves a few % of the screen to shift it around. It's too little to actually do anything for burn in though as HUDs and logos are many many times larger than what it can reasonably shift around. It's an old placebo peace of mind setting from the Plasma days where it also did nothing. Truthfully it's more likely to make areas of burn in larger.

 

[Stafford]

Just Scan should be on with LGs. The Pixel Shift setting will also need to be turned off if you don't want any overscan at all. It reserves a few % of the screen to shift it around. It's too little to actually do anything for burn in, HUDs and logos are many many times larger than what it can reasonably shift around. It's an old placebo peace of mind setting from the Plasma days where it also did nothing. Truthfully it's more likely to make areas of burn in larger.

You're right!!! This seems to be it. This was on all the time. I actually like the bigger characters and cars though, haha. Kinda wish Sammy had this setting too. Ngl.

Oh turns out S95B has pixel shift too, but barely makes a difference.

 

[MadchesterManc]

Finally got around to upgrading from my ol' Panasonic EX750 that I've had several years, passed the beauty onto my brother, and went OLED instead of LCD again by picking up a Philips 48" OLED806. The Panasonic was a nice TV considering, but this new one blew it out of the water on the first movie viewing with an UHD Bluray of Alien. Only downer so far is the lack of HDMI 2.1 on my 2080ti, can do 4k/120Hz in monitor mode but with none of the other TV features enabled. Settled on 1440p as I can then use HDR & GSync with a performance boost too - looks a bit softer but it'll do for now till I upgrade the GPU. PS5 works great so far, picked up VRR etc on the TV straight away.

I suppose now I need to upgrade my UHD player too as it only does HDR10 & HDR10+, so no Dolby Vision yet unless I use the Apple TV app.

oh and Ambilight is legit. You'd think its a gimmick but it works so well, especially with games as the light sits in your peripheral vision and makes the TV feel bigger.

 

[Stafford]

I have the S95B and I am not connecting it to the Internet, I don't trust Samsung that they won't force the firmware updates on me that I don't want. So no TV apps, ah well.

But I also don't want to use Netflix on Xbox, which the app sadly forces HDR on everything, very annoying. So a bit off topic but....in this case would a Chromecast work for me? I use that for Netflix and such, and I can control it via remote I assume?

 

[kittoo]

I have the S95B and I am not connecting it to the Internet, I don't trust Samsung that they won't force the firmware updates on me that I don't want. So no TV apps, ah well.

But I also don't want to use Netflix on Xbox, which the app sadly forces HDR on everything, very annoying. So a bit off topic but....in this case would a Chromecast work for me? I use that for Netflix and such, and I can control it via remote I assume?

So there is absolutely no way/mode on new firmwares where S95B reaches the previous level of brightness?
It sucks. From 1500nits to 1000

 

[MadchesterManc]

I have the S95B and I am not connecting it to the Internet, I don't trust Samsung that they won't force the firmware updates on me that I don't want. So no TV apps, ah well.

But I also don't want to use Netflix on Xbox, which the app sadly forces HDR on everything, very annoying. So a bit off topic but....in this case would a Chromecast work for me? I use that for Netflix and such, and I can control it via remote I assume?

Should be ok for that use case as it'll be your phone connected to the network and then streaming the video to the Chromecast. Not sure if you can control with the TV remote, been a while since I last used one myself. You could also try mirroring your phone screen. The Panasonic I used to have would allow for a direct connection between phone & TV so wouldn't need to go through the home network. Not sure if TV's still have that functionality though

 

[Stafford]

Should be ok for that use case as it'll be your phone connected to the network and then streaming the video to the Chromecast. Not sure if you can control with the TV remote, been a while since I last used one myself. You could also try mirroring your phone screen. The Panasonic I used to have would allow for a direct connection between phone & TV so wouldn't need to go through the home network. Not sure if TV's still have that functionality though

So it would be via phone? Won't that mean a significant loss in quality? Especially compared to Netflix TV or Xbox app?

 

[Stafford]

So there is absolutely no way/mode on new firmwares where S95B reaches the previous level of brightness?
It sucks. From 1500nits to 1000

Don't count on it. From what I've read history tells us that if anything Samsung will fuck it up even more. Heard from someone that his KS9000 was ruined forever by a update from Samsung.

 

[Sleepwalker]

I have the S95B and I am not connecting it to the Internet, I don't trust Samsung that they won't force the firmware updates on me that I don't want. So no TV apps, ah well.

But I also don't want to use Netflix on Xbox, which the app sadly forces HDR on everything, very annoying. So a bit off topic but....in this case would a Chromecast work for me? I use that for Netflix and such, and I can control it via remote I assume?

A firestick 4k, chromecast and basically any streaming box will help your case there.


The Nvidia shield and shield pro are the best streaming boxes out there and have better upscaling plus can use plex server + be a somewhat decent emulation box if you are interested in that kind of thing.

 

[Stafford]

A firestick 4k, chromecast and basically any streaming box will help your case there.


The Nvidia shield and shield pro are the best streaming boxes out there and have better upscaling plus can use plex server + be a somewhat decent emulation box if you are interested in that kind of thing.

My hope is to find something that is as cheap as possible but is nothing less than the quality the TV/Xbox Netflix give. Those first two are probably want I want, because a shield isn't exactly cheap, right? Man it's so annoying that the console Netflix app to this day forces HDR on every single thing.

 

[Sleepwalker]

My hope is to find something that is as cheap as possible but is nothing less than the quality the TV/Xbox Netflix give. Those first two are probably want I want, because a shield isn't exactly cheap, right? Man it's so annoying that the console Netflix app to this day forces HDR on every single thing.

Yessir, those will do good for you. I can vouch for the fire stick 4k personally. Decent little device for 50 bucks or so. Usually goes on sale as well

 

[MadchesterManc]

So it would be via phone? Won't that mean a significant loss in quality? Especially compared to Netflix TV or Xbox app?

Probably. From what I understand the video etc from compatible apps is processed on the phone and then wirelessly streamed to the chromecast to display on the TV. I guess it will be limited by what your phone can do.

 

[StateofMajora]

Don't count on it. From what I've read history tells us that if anything Samsung will fuck it up even more. Heard from someone that his KS9000 was ruined forever by a update from Samsung.

Smart tv was a huge huge mistake! This really sucks to hear that Samsung is already gimping their new tv, it's got to be a new record for them.

I'm surprised no one has started a class action suit over these kinds of things

 

[smbu2000]

Just upgraded my tv not too long ago. Had a 48” LG CX as my main tv and worked well at my old place, but since the wife and I moved to a few months ago I wanted something bigger.

Anyway, I picked up a Panasonic 65” JZ2000. Still need to get used to the much larger size, but definitely loving the tv so far.
48” CX is now in my room connected to my desktop PC and slightly older game consoles. XSX and Switch dock are connected to the main Panasonic.

 

[farmerboy]

Updating to oled from plasma after 12 years. I'll be sitting 3.2 - 3.5m away (10.5 - 11.5 ft).

Do I go 65 or 77in?

Edit: I ask because most guides seem to suggest both are ok. I just feel 77 will be more cinematic.

 

[bender]

Woke up this morning to a crash. My dog got behind my entertainment center to retrieve a ball he'd been tossing down the stairs and on his exit he knocked over my Bravia LCD. The good news is the dog is okay. The "bad" news is the LCD is not. I'm going to dip my toe back into the OLED world after a miserable experience with my E7 (panel uniformity out of the box and later burn in under two years of usage). I'm not going to miss the Bravia. Going back to local dimming zones was a bummer and the wireless card in set interfered with my consoles. I also regret going to 65". It was just too big.

I ordered a G1 55". These are on sale right now which is a bonus and even though it is last years model, it comes with the Evo panel. I'm also a little weary of the new brightness levels of the C2/G2 but again that's probably due to my experience with the E7. The downside to the G1 is that I can't wall mount it because of my living room setup, it doesn't come with a stand and I'm pretty sure I need a new stand because of how wide the feet are on the set. I hope I made the right choice.

 

[Chiggs]

Woke up this morning to a crash. My dog got behind my entertainment center to retrieve a ball he'd been tossing down the stairs and on his exit he knocked over my Bravia LCD. The good news is the dog is okay. The "bad" news is the LCD is not. I'm going to dip my toe back into the OLED world after a miserable experience with my E7 (panel uniformity out of the box and later burn in under two years of usage). I'm not going to miss the Bravia. Going back to local dimming zones was a bummer and the wireless card in set interfered with my consoles. I also regret going to 65". It was just too big.

I ordered a G1 55". These are on sale right now which is a bonus and even though it is last years model, it comes with the Evo panel. I'm also a little weary of the new brightness levels of the C2/G2 but again that's probably due to my experience with the E7. The downside to the G1 is that I can't wall mount it because of my living room setup, it doesn't come with a stand and I'm pretty sure I need a new stand because of how wide the feet are on the set. I hope I made the right choice.

You made the right call. G1 is a great model, and I personally think that it’s superior to the C2, which in some ways is arguably inferior to the C1, depending on how nitpicky you are.

 

[StateofMajora]

Woke up this morning to a crash. My dog got behind my entertainment center to retrieve a ball he'd been tossing down the stairs and on his exit he knocked over my Bravia LCD. The good news is the dog is okay. The "bad" news is the LCD is not. I'm going to dip my toe back into the OLED world after a miserable experience with my E7 (panel uniformity out of the box and later burn in under two years of usage). I'm not going to miss the Bravia. Going back to local dimming zones was a bummer and the wireless card in set interfered with my consoles. I also regret going to 65". It was just too big.

I ordered a G1 55". These are on sale right now which is a bonus and even though it is last years model, it comes with the Evo panel. I'm also a little weary of the new brightness levels of the C2/G2 but again that's probably due to my experience with the E7. The downside to the G1 is that I can't wall mount it because of my living room setup, it doesn't come with a stand and I'm pretty sure I need a new stand because of how wide the feet are on the set. I hope I made the right choice.

Rip to your 950g. Hope your g1 has good uniformity. The g1 like the c1 has the best motion out of any OLED display.

If it isn't too late, maybe change the order to a c1 since you won't have to piss around with a separate stand that way.

 

[bender]

Rip to your 950g. Hope your g1 has good uniformity. The g1 like the c1 has the best motion out of any OLED display.

If it isn't too late, maybe change the order to a c1 since you won't have to piss around with a separate stand that way.

Damn, good memory! (950G)

Is there a panel lottery?

C1 would save some cash and has the pedestal stand but don't you lose out on the Evo panel? Delta is $1,099 vs $1,299 + $99 (stand).

I have time since my delivery isn't until Friday and I had to order the stand from Amazon and that's going to arrive even later.

 

[Chiggs]

Damn, good memory! (950G)

Is there a panel lottery?

C1 would save some cash and has the pedestal stand but don't you lose out on the Evo panel? Delta is $1,099 vs $1,299 + $99 (stand).

I have time since my delivery isn't until Friday and I had to order the stand from Amazon and that's going to arrive even later.

I don’t think you can go wrong, but I think the G1’s extra brightness is worth it. Yeah, the stand issue is annoying, but you get EVO and a 5 year warranty.

 

[StateofMajora]

Damn, good memory! (950G)

Is there a panel lottery?

C1 would save some cash and has the pedestal stand but don't you lose out on the Evo panel? Delta is $1,099 vs $1,299 + $99 (stand).

I have time since my delivery isn't until Friday and I had to order the stand from Amazon and that's going to arrive even later.

I wouldn't worry so much on getting the evo panel or not, which you may or may not get on the c1. In fact if it's the older panel, you have a better chance at good uniformity because it will have come from south Korea vs. China.

G1 has the software to utilize the slightly higher brightness of "evo" while c1 doesn't, but it is just a slight increase and still doesn't have a heatsink like g2, Sony a95k etc.

Imo esp. since you're not wall mounting I would have gone with the c1, as the hdr is really awesome on that set anyways, but either way good luck.

 

[Sleepwalker]

Upvote for the c1 choice, the Sony a80j can be had for around the same price and I honestly prefer it over my c1 but cant go wrong with either

 

[It's all in the wrist]

I own the S95B. Latest update. Everything is fine. The TV wasn't accurate before in filmmaker mode, Samsung didn't gimp anything. A similar situation happened with my LG B6 long after launch, and there was the same uproar.


For comparison, I'm not noticing a huge leap in image quality from the B6. It's a little brighter. The screen uniformity is much better, and the motion is smoother (I don't know if it's VRR or reduced judder). I'm still playing with the settings.


My biggest issues are the software and remote. Holy SHIT, they are both so bad. I have very simple demands of my software, and Samsung doesn't even get the basics right. Switching inputs is a pain in the ass.

 

[Chiggs]

My biggest issues are the software and remote. Holy SHIT, they are both so bad. I have very simple demands of my software, and Samsung doesn't even get the basics right. Switching inputs is a pain in the ass.

I posted about this earlier in the thread. Worst remote ever bundled with a television. It’s a goddamn disgrace, and even more of a disgrace that reviewers have failed to mention it whatsoever, or marginalized the issue.

 

[Sleepwalker]

Yeah tizen is trash. I can accept living with WebOS and google tv but samsung tvs need a streaming box to be tolerable

 

[Raphael]

Updating to oled from plasma after 12 years. I'll be sitting 3.2 - 3.5m away (10.5 - 11.5 ft).

Do I go 65 or 77in?

Edit: I ask because most guides seem to suggest both are ok. I just feel 77 will be more cinematic.

The bigger the better mate. Always.

Guys, i want a 75-85 inch tv for my attic. I cant afford an oled that big. Any LEDs you can recommend which wont make me regret not getting another but smaller OLED? Needs to be visibly cheaper however... Have a 65 inch b9 in the living room so that will be my point of reference.

Was trying to wait for sales for the 77 lg oleds but those are never majorily discounted over here.

 

[Stafford]

I own the S95B. Latest update. Everything is fine. The TV wasn't accurate before in filmmaker mode, Samsung didn't gimp anything. A similar situation happened with my LG B6 long after launch, and there was the same uproar.


For comparison, I'm not noticing a huge leap in image quality from the B6. It's a little brighter. The screen uniformity is much better, and the motion is smoother (I don't know if it's VRR or reduced judder). I'm still playing with the settings.


My biggest issues are the software and remote. Holy SHIT, they are both so bad. I have very simple demands of my software, and Samsung doesn't even get the basics right. Switching inputs is a pain in the ass.

I don't know man. Another owner of the TV on AVS is on 1302 or newer, I'm on 1211. He said that if I want an indication of how game mode would look with 1302 I needed to use FMM during games. So I did with Gears 5 Hivebusters with the part in the first level with lots of fire and fire sparkles (or however you call it) and they were intense, bright as hell, piercing almost on HDR Game mode and way dimmer with FMM.

No way in hell will I firmware update it.

 

[ZywyPL]

The bigger the better mate. Always.

For movies yes, but for games not really, especially for competitive online games where all the HUD elements are scattered across the whole screen, the corners and edges, when you ideally want to have them all inside your field of vision. Plus, given how 4K is barely present on the new consoles, smaller displays do all those 1080-1440p games a huge favor.

So all depends on what type of content you'll mostly spend your time on.

 

[bender]

I wouldn't worry so much on getting the evo panel or not, which you may or may not get on the c1. In fact if it's the older panel, you have a better chance at good uniformity because it will have come from south Korea vs. China.

G1 has the software to utilize the slightly higher brightness of "evo" while c1 doesn't, but it is just a slight increase and still doesn't have a heatsink like g2, Sony a95k etc.

Imo esp. since you're not wall mounting I would have gone with the c1, as the hdr is really awesome on that set anyways, but either way good luck.

After measuring, I canceled my G1 order and got a C1 instead which was local. I probably saved $800+ since I don't need new furniture. I got a Q panel so non-Evo. Just got done setting it up. I'm glad I dropped down to 55". 65" was just too much real estate.

 

[StateofMajora]

After measuring, I canceled my G1 order and got a C1 instead which was local. I probably saved $800+ since I don't need new furniture. I got a Q panel so non-Evo. Just got done setting it up. I'm glad I dropped down to 55". 65" was just too much real estate.

Congrats! I may be joining you to the c1 party (I've tested it, used it but don't currently own it) soon, we were just waiting to move into the new house first.

I'm mad the 48" c1 ran out of stock :/ but I can manage a 55".

Agree that 65" is too big, I love my 49" x900e, has more pixel density and is more forgiving on upscaling low res games.

 

[bender]

Congrats! I may be joining you to the c1 party (I've tested it, used it but don't currently own it) soon, we were just waiting to move into the new house first.

I'm mad the 48" c1 ran out of stock :/ but I can manage a 55".

The first thing I checked was the $800 48" C1 but it looks like the stock is gone and honestly, that might be a tad small.

 

[CaptainSlayAHo]

For movies yes, but for games not really, especially for competitive online games where all the HUD elements are scattered across the whole screen, the corners and edges, when you ideally want to have them all inside your field of vision. Plus, given how 4K is barely present on the new consoles, smaller displays do all those 1080-1440p games a huge favor.

So all depends on what type of content you'll mostly spend your time on.

The vast majority of games are running over 1440p,and have been for a while, even if not native 4k

 

[StateofMajora]

The first thing I checked was the $800 48" C1 but it looks like the stock is gone and honestly, that might be a tad small.

Yeah a 55" looks noticeably bigger but, the room it's going in isn't too huge so it would've worked, just like the 900e.

I knew once the 48 hit $800 that thing would be gone quick lol.

 

[bender]

Yeah a 55" looks noticeably bigger but, the room it's going in isn't too huge so it would've worked, just like the 900e.

I knew once the 48 hit $800 that thing would be gone quick lol.

I probably would have pulled the trigger as that's a good deal and I could always convert into a desk monitor later but going from 65" -> 48" might be a bridge too far. Also Best Buy had 24 months of no interest financing for purchases over $1,000.00 so there is that.

 

[Sleepwalker]

The bigger the better mate. Always.

Guys, i want a 75-85 inch tv for my attic. I cant afford an oled that big. Any LEDs you can recommend which wont make me regret not getting another but smaller OLED? Needs to be visibly cheaper however... Have a 65 inch b9 in the living room so that will be my point of reference.

Was trying to wait for sales for the 77 lg oleds but those are never majorily discounted over here.

Sony and samsung are pretty much your only choices, sony x95j-k or any in the 90 lineup, avoid x80j and x80k iirc as they are not that great for samsung you would look at the qleds like the qn90

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Damn, well that's good to know. Better stick wirh the C9 then. Buddy was hoping the G2 would kind of come near what the S95B is doing but based on these comments it's not even close.

Maybe do some research from actual professionals instead of random forum dudes would be my suggestion.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

I just bought the 65 inch version at Best Buy on July 4th. I started having an issue when playing Doom Eternal on 120 fps mode where the TV would reboot itself during moments of intense action. I have seen reddit threads on this. I have never had this issue with my 48 inch C1 in my bedroom.

It happens exactly like this.





I cannot simply just return and exchange it at Best Buy as it was deliveried and it will not fit in my car. I plan to hold LGs feet to the fire on this. I am just hoping someone here might have had a similar issue and found a an easy fix that doesn't involve anything drastic.

 

[Stafford]

Maybe do some research from actual professionals instead of random forum dudes would be my suggestion.

I asked it on several forums too, AVS, AVSforum, OLED subreddit and so on. Owners of the tv and they all say the same, it's not worth it if one already has the C9. One person said it absolutely was worth it, but then he said he went from a B9 to a C2, there is a significant brightness difference between B9 and C9.

I did my research, for as much as that is possible.

 

[names are for friends]

Until getting a CX I didn't really use TVs at all and I've gotta say, what I really hate about these is how the different video modes aren't equivalent at the same settings...

Game mode dims very heavily to the point of being unusable. Also game mode + HDR makes it so no pixels turn off for... some reason? At least on my set. Basically game mode sucks and made me disappointed over the TV at first, but switching to standard fixed those issues.

Then when I output from my computer I don't get peak brightness options for SDR modes (presumably because of ALLM kicking in, maybe also PC mode does this) BUT if I use vivid mode that enables peak brightness.

I wish they'd stop pulling this shit and just let people adjust the complete settings in a sane, transparent way. That way I would know how the TV works in the first day of ownership instead of months down the line after random experimentation.

 

[Von Hugh]

LG C1 65" for 1099 €/$. Worth it? Or wait for Samsung's 65" QD-OLED come down in price from 2499?

 

[Ulysses 31]

LG C1 65" for 1099 €/$. Worth it? Or wait for Samsung's 65" QD-OLED come down in price from 2499?

How dark is your room? If it's too bright the C1 might not have enough brightness to bring out its OLED strengths.

If it's a dark room the C1 easily for that price between the 2.

 

[NeonGhost]

Anyone know why my lg c1 keeps turning prevent input delay to standard instead of boost after a couple days