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It's gonna haunt the whole generation as PS5/XSX need to babysit it.
It's gonna haunt the whole generation as PS5/XSX need to babysit it.
microsoft have decided that xbox is to become a budget gaming brand. gamepass and sbox are attempts to offer people good enough for what appear like lower prices.Thread is not to discuss if Series X "holds back games" or anything of the like, but rather whether it was necessary from a business POV
With the launch of next gen consoles, MS made the unique choice of launching the low powered Series S alongside the main console
Seemingly there could have been a few advantages to this approach that we theorised at the time of announcement
1) Gain a competitive price advantage
2) Flood the market to gain the lead in unit sales with the easier to manufacture unit
3) Offset the impact of of the generational price increase
While they got the price advantage, it was minimised at launch by the $400 PS5 DE.
However I think it did help with them being able to message a $499 Series X, and disguise the higher cost of entry at launch.
I dont think it has helped them in driving larger adoption rates and I think overall the majority of users - particularly those in the launch phases have not been discouraged by high prices. Reflected in people buying PS5 and Series X way above market price
We are getting closer to the point of Pro consoles starting to come out in the next 24 months so it may be a case where Series S starts to become even more redundant
Weird flex to spend $70b on ActiBlizz, $7b on Bethesda/Zenimax, only to shift entire business model to budget gaming with merely a "good enough" offering.microsoft have decided that xbox is to become a budget gaming brand. gamepass and sbox are attempts to offer people good enough for what appear like lower prices.
Good enough to run The Matrix demo is good enough for this gen.Weird flex to spend $70b on ActiBlizz, $7b on Bethesda/Zenimax, only to shift entire business model to budget gaming with merely a "good enough" offering.
Everyone upset at Phil for being able to produce more Series S' than the other systems:
Oh lord, I forgot about the Switch Pro stuff, lol.Oh God, these threads are the new "We need a Switch Pro", aren't they?
In any event, I wasn't getting an X anyway. I got PS5 as my big boy premium machine and Series A as my Game Pass and RetroArch box. It's been a good setup for me.
Considering the Series S is the throttle for MS console gaming, the more appropriate question is, "Was Series X necessary?"
The evidence shows that XSS has helped get more people into the Xbox ecosystem than previous Xboxes. Oh and a system selling out doesn't mean that it is more popular. XSS get restocked quickly. All the XSS' I've seen in stores has the new holiday packaging. You really think those systems have been sitting there unsold for months or years?No. The fact that the series X has been sold out multiple times for the last 2 years and the series S never sold out here, is proof that was not needed. MS clear understimated how much ppl are willing to spend on a new console.
Looking at online shops from my country the xbox series X has triple the amount of user reviews than the series S. Which implies that is the most sold console. And if one is sold out and the other never is. Is not because they are fast restocking one model.The evidence shows that XSS has helped get more people into the Xbox ecosystem than previous Xboxes. Oh and a system selling out doesn't mean that it is more popular. XSS get restocked quickly. All the XSS' I've seen in stores has the new holiday packaging. You really think those systems have been sitting there unsold for months or years?
It's $150 cheaper than the PS5 DE if you can even find the PS5 in most places in the world. You might not know this but MS lowered their prices of their console and Sony raised theirs.
Had one and would have kept it if I didn't decide to go all in on PC. I hope they up the storage on future Series S models though. 512GB fills up stupid quick.People who have the S seem to love it so them yes MS was smart to make it.
It was neccessary for them because for whatever reason they werent able to secure even 50% of the PS5 stock for the XSX. XSS is now outselling the XSX with the splits being effectively 50:50. MS has yet to release numbers but last numbers we had were 13 million to 20 million which means only 6.5 million XSX vs 20 million PS5s. They wouldve lost the gen in the first year if they hadnt come out with the xss. 13 million keeps them competitive until CoD becomes an exclusive, and then they might have a chance to top Playstation.Thread is not to discuss if Series X "holds back games" or anything of the like, but rather whether it was necessary from a business POV
With the launch of next gen consoles, MS made the unique choice of launching the low powered Series S alongside the main console
Seemingly there could have been a few advantages to this approach that we theorised at the time of announcement
1) Gain a competitive price advantage
2) Flood the market to gain the lead in unit sales with the easier to manufacture unit
3) Offset the impact of of the generational price increase
While they got the price advantage, it was minimised at launch by the $400 PS5 DE.
However I think it did help with them being able to message a $499 Series X, and disguise the higher cost of entry at launch.
I dont think it has helped them in driving larger adoption rates and I think overall the majority of users - particularly those in the launch phases have not been discouraged by high prices. Reflected in people buying PS5 and Series X way above market price
We are getting closer to the point of Pro consoles starting to come out in the next 24 months so it may be a case where Series S starts to become even more redundant
The only thing that is proof of is MS has been able to capitalize on more potential sales because there is a product they can actually keep on shelves. Imagine how many customers MS would have missed out on if their $500 box, that is sold out consistently, was the only option available for purchase.No. The fact that the series X has been sold out multiple times for the last 2 years and the series S never sold out here, is proof that was not needed. MS clear understimated how much ppl are willing to spend on a new console.
If series S didnt existed, MS had more components to manufactor series X. So there would be more series X available to purchase than there is actually as they have to split the manufactor components between 2 models.The only thing that is proof of is MS has been able to capitalize on more potential sales because there is a product they can actually keep on shelves. Imagine how many customers MS would have missed out on if their $500 box, that is sold out consistently, was the only option available for purchase.
They don't own one because they hate itGot one for a 1080p tv and it's a great system. I don't understand the hate for it, which seems to be mostly from those who don't even own one.
To an extent of course, but we are talking millions upon millions. The S and X use different ssd's, apu's, psu's, coolers etc... It is a misnomer to assume for every Series S manufactured there is one less Series X on store shelves, on the contrary, Series S production probably doesn't eat Into X production by a very large amount.If series S didnt existed, MS had more components to manufactor series X. So there would be more series X available to purchase than there is actually as they have to split the manufactor components between 2 models.
Well tons of Switch consoles on the shelf around here. Obviously no one is buying one! Using anecdotal evidence is not a way of determining if something is selling.Looking at online shops from my country the xbox series X has triple the amount of user reviews than the series S. Which implies that is the most sold console. And if one is sold out and the other never is. Is not because they are fast restocking one model.
In Colombia XSS is around 1.7M pesos, the cheapest PS5 is around 3M pesos, once you consider that most people earn around 1.5M to 4M pesos (well at least as far as I've seen personally), you can see how the top average earners (not the top of the top high middle class) can get still buy the cheapest PS5 but will rather save some money and just get the XSS instead, unless it's a diehard Sony fan.ps5 de is 400 in usa
and xbox ss is 300 there.
Other parts of the world of course 50 more for ps5.
Still not worth it to sacrifice power and great games for this much
Not necessarily, it probably was a multipurpose play from Microsoft, part of it might be assure components for their consoles, maybe CPU waffles are shared but memory, storage and GPU aren't, also the rest of the components are smaller so they are cheaper in general, if by that you can make sure more consoles get to more homes without competing for the same components with Sony, that's a shot in the ground imoIf series S didnt existed, MS had more components to manufactor series X. So there would be more series X available to purchase than there is actually as they have to split the manufactor components between 2 models.
I bought one for my wife, and I play on the X. I’ve messed around on it (that’s my home console so we can game share and game pass share), and it is an awesome machine. I think a lot of people that hate on it haven’t actually used it.I got an s and it’s great. Really like it. I wouldn’t have bought an Xbox if it wasn’t out there so for me it is great. Awesome gamepass machine
Had one and would have kept it if I didn't decide to go all in on PC. I hope they up the storage on future Series S models though. 512GB fills up stupid quick.
That's the other brilliant play by Xbox. Flexibility to play on whatever platform you choose.
My daughter has one and an external ssd made all the difference. Went from taking 25 minutes to transfer Battlefield V from HHD to internal to around 4 minutes. I also agree going with a doubling of the internal SSD vs a traditional price cut.Yeah, I've said before that storage space was my only complaint and why I decided to go with X. I think they should leave the price point at $299 but double the SSD size. And get some more vendors selling the damn expansion cards. This Seagate monopoly is absurd.
If it is true that nearly half of Series S buyers are new to the ecosystem... then obviously yes.
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