Regardless, with hardware like the Steam Deck and its derivatives I don't think there's any real need for a new Nintendo console. They can just release their games on PC and make more money.
Yeah, not to mention their ‘new’ online subscription service they started with Switch. That must be generating a lot of money as well, despite being relatively cheap.Nintendo does not only profit from first party game sales. They make money on hardware too. And then they make money on the third party games as well sold within their ecosystem, games they didn't even have to work on.
With what? No Mario Kart 9, no new Splatoon, or Xenoblade, or FE, Bayo, AC, even the casual multiplayer team is accounted for with Switch Sports.
There are also several other devs that could have games ready for 2023. The big one being EPD8, the 3D Mario (and also possibly the new Donkey Kong team). But there are others such as:With Zelda TotK, Pikmin 4, and Metroid Prime Remake/4 (and whatever else is unannounced yet)
So a few points here:Nah.
If they were going to launch a Switch 2 they would have done so in 2021 or 2022 at the latest.
They usually announce their new console about a year before releasing it, and there hasn't been anything but Nintendo execs claiming "there's still so much life left on the platform". There hasn't been anything in Nintendo's investor reports suggesting there's new hardware, either.
Takashi Mochisuki probably did break the story about a planned Switch 2 back in 2019 (and then again in 2020), but then covid came and the lockdowns printed so much money to Nintendo that they thought why give a shit and instead just made demanding games available through streaming.
It looks like making new hardware is becoming an inconvenience to Nintendo, and they see it as something that comes in the way of selling software.
I think they'll be the first ones to leave the hardware race and become a software company.
Sure, there were some leaks about a "nvn2" SoC early this year, supposedly with an Ampere GPU and DLSS, but nothing came out of it. Perhaps Nvidia was counting on the ARM acquisition to avoid royalties or something, and they're the ones who canceled the console. Who knows..
Regardless, with hardware like the Steam Deck and its derivatives I don't think there's any real need for a new Nintendo console. They can just release their games on PC and make more money.
if they are already selling the OLED at $349.99, I can't see the next model being any lower than $399.99It will come out in 2023 and cost $349.99. You can quote me on that.
At some point or another third party devs will stop making games for PS4/XB1 and start making only current gen games. Nintendo will want to keep improving third party support, and to do that they will eventually need a system that can get PS5 / XB Series ports. DLSS will help them a lot here.Who said they need to aim at PS4 levels? You are making things up in your head. Nintendo makes hardware that works for their 1st party developers first and then maybe they take into consideration the needs of third party devs.
Most devs I've heard said Switch's biggest bottleneck for porting is Ram and especially memory bandwidth.
It won't take much for a Switch 2 to be more developer friendly.
While the Switch itself was announced October 2016, Nintendo was referring to the NX long before that.This is not true. The switch was announced in October 2016, then launched March 2017. Nintendo likely won’t want to discourage hardware sales by having a long gap between announcing and releasing.
It has a large number of popular games, a steady stream of small/medium releases and gives you options as to where and how you play them. That's it essentially.I honestly don't understand why people love the Switch so much. Besides 3 or 4 games, there's nothing really interesting about the console.
At this point it’s more likely it’ll get a special limited designed Switch OLED like Splatoon 3 got. And not bundled with the game.BoTW2 + Switch 2 pack.
Pokémon Snap was April 2021, so their next project whatever that might be is still a ways off.There are also several other devs that could have games ready for 2023. The big one being EPD8, the 3D Mario (and also possibly the new Donkey Kong team). But there are others such as:
Then there's always some surprise collaborations that no one was expecting. We probably know less than half of Nintendo's 2023 games currently.
- Good Feel - worked on various 2D platformers, not released anything since Yoshi's Crafted World in 2019
- Grezzo - Worked on Zelda remakes and Ever Oasis, currently making a 3D action game and haven't released anything since Link's Awakening in 2019
- Bandai Namco Studios - There's a team there that works on Nintendo collaborations. They last released New Pokemon Snap in 2020 and are working next on an action game remake / remaster
Switch peaked 2 years ago and is declining more every year, and next year would be even more. Without new hardware. They know how the platform business works, I’m sure the next new thing is getting somewhat close to coming to market. 2024 at the absolute latest.No
And people need to stop asking.
Nintendo could (and very likely will) ride the switch out for years, and continue having strong sales numbers.
Switch peaked 2 years ago and is declining more every year, and next year would be even more. Without new hardware. They know how the platform business works, I’m sure the next new thing is getting somewhat close to coming to market. 2024 at the absolute latest.
Yes you're right about Snap, it was announced in 2020 not released thenPokémon Snap was April 2021, so their next project whatever that might be is still a ways off.
I’ve mentioned here before, but I think Nintendo clearly punted on holiday 2022 in the same way they punted on holiday 2016, where they released basically nothing. There are since clear parallels there, the only difference is Switch is popular and Wii U was not. But output-wise, it’s a repeat of holiday 2016.
The last first-party release of 2022 was Splatoon 3, in September. Everything else this holiday is third-party, or Pokemon which is Game Freak/ TPC. So to me it’s as clear an indication as any that their big teams are gearing up for something big next year, beyond just a huge new title like TotK. There has to be more, and I agree that we haven’t seen most of their lineup for the next 12 months yet.
Outside of Fire Emblem in a few weeks, their Q1 lineup is also basically non-existent, too. Bayonetta Origins in March? Another non-Nintendo developed title.
What ported games did they pad the library with this year?It will just require "more" effort on their behalf, and not relying on padding out their library with ported games.
Depends which is more expensive.
I’m expecting late 2024 at this point as well I initially thought early 2024 but that’s looking unlikely even early 2025 wouldn’t completely shock meSwitch 2 is not coming in 2023 IMO. Still selling like hot cakes. I think announcement in March 2024, release November 2024.
I’d buy the Oled now. It’s the best Switch model by a mile and feels like a premium product in hand. You’d be able to sell it for £100+ when the time comes to upgrade anyway. Play some Splatoon 3/Tears of the Kingdom and chill.
I was hoping for ps4 pro level handheld and series s level or slightly below docked base ps4 would be absolutely pathetic especially if this is gonna be 350-400It wouldn't be a generational leap then, it must be MORE powerful than the base PS4 at least.
Not if they will be charging 350+ for it. That device would have to be sub 300 to not be an absolute rip offThing is, this generation games will forever be impacted by last gen because of the Xbox Series S.
So, Nintendo making a ps4 level hybrid console makes the most sense. They don't need to go any higher. They'll get every 3rd party multiplatform game without much difference between current gen consoles. Sure, you won't get 4k/30fps or 1080p/60 fps but it'll look good enough.
I wouldn’t buy an oled unless it’s a special edition modelI'm going to just answer this part of your question instead: If you're interested in buying a Switch OLED, just buy it. Don't let a potential Switch successor stop you. There have been no good indications that new hardware is going to be releasing next year, and we're also in the new era of consoles, where hardware shortages are no longer temporary and are the new norm. There's a very good chance that you won't be able to buy the Switch 2 for several years after it has come out, especially if its popularity is anything like the original Switch.
So I suggest to get it. Worst case you can sell the Switch OLED used with like a 50$ - 100$ loss if the new one is BC.
Nintendo will tie any BC to their Online subscription model. The only way that you will get compatability with previous switch.A new successor needs to come with ........ and full BC right out of the gate.
Don't buy the Oled its wouldn't be worth it especially since you game mostly on the TV( I have an original Switch from 2017 that I game on mostly on TV but also in handheld mode when travelling)
I honestly don't understand why people love the Switch so much. Besides 3 or 4 games, there's nothing really interesting about the console.
It's a great party console. I can easily take it with me plus 4 joycons and have a blast with different multiplayer games. Because of its ease of use it's simple to get newbies in on the fun.I honestly don't understand why people love the Switch so much. Besides 3 or 4 games, there's nothing really interesting about the console.
Well, it'll be a hybrid console so that's the value. Getting a portable ps4 is pretty enticing since it'll be able to get current gen multiplatform games. Like a portable GTA6.Not if they will be charging 350+ for it. That device would have to be sub 300 to not be an absolute rip off
That doesn’t really tell us much about their plans for the next system though. Switch will likely still be alive for years after the next system is out.Didnt the nintendo president say switch is in the middle of its life cycle just 10 months ago?
That makes no sense since they're be sabotaging their holidays sales, when they do like 40% of whole FY revenue, they did it with the Switch because Wii U was so dead they didn't even hid it anymore, if they're gonna release a new platform, they'd have to announce it and release it before DecemberDoubtful. What's most likely to happen is the Switch successor will be announced in around October 2023 and release world wide in March 2024.
Good point. So more of a January/June schedule? Or maybe March/October? I could see it.That makes no sense since they're be sabotaging their holidays sales, when they do like 40% of whole FY revenue, they did it with the Switch because Wii U was so dead they didn't even hid it anymore, if they're gonna release a new platform, they'd have to announce it and release it before December
Nintendo won't be showing footage from unannounced hardware. They'll wait until the new model is announced before showing games running on it.I really do think it's coming sooner than later, they just didn't want to cannibalize their holiday sales by announcing in Q4.
There could also be logistical supply chain issues at work, you know Covid has been hitting chinese manufacturing very hard lately, so they might just be making sure they can get inventory up before knifing their still-decent-selling current console.
Digital Foundry made some pretty good arguments that the trailer footage for the new Zelda can't be running on Switch hardware.
Well, TOTK is May, next FY, that and that Kamiya said something like "See you next generation" when talking about next Bayonetta game, which we can say they talked about next mainline or the one coming in March... There's enough to speculate around those H1 lolGood point. So more of a January/June schedule? Or maybe March/October? I could see it.
I also like the idea of them launching the successor in time for TotK, though I wouldn't bet on any of the above because Nintendo gonna Nintendo.
The reason I'm most hesitant to bet on early 2023 at this point is that we haven't seen any manufacturer leaks, and the thing would have to be in full production to come out in early spring. We always have some sort of leak from Foxconn or wherever.
That makes no sense since they're be sabotaging their holidays sales, when they do like 40% of whole FY revenue, they did it with the Switch because Wii U was so dead they didn't even hid it anymore, if they're gonna release a new platform, they'd have to announce it and release it before December
Thought I would update this thread with the case for and against a next gen Switch in 2023:The last minute Switch plus physical game deals for less than MRRP has me seriously wondering if this is the Switch 1's last big Christmas hurrah before the successor console comes out in the same calendar year as the new Zelda.
Once Nintendo starts discounting successful hardware in earnest, its a sure sign that a successor is in sight. We probably won't hear about it until Jan/Feb of 2023 at the earliest. It might launch with Zelda or in time for next Christmas or even Spring 2024 but who knows? I would buy an OLED if I was certain Switch 2 was coming in 2024 at the earliest.
So should I buy an OLED early in the New Year when it might be further discounted before Switch 2 is announced? Am I right that discounts are substantive evidence of Nintendo nextgen coming in 2023?
Advise me GAF. Poll assumes Switch 2 comes out in 2024.
( I have an original Switch from 2017 that I game on mostly on TV but also in handheld mode when travelling)
C. A cancelled midgen refresh could also mean they had to start again and rethink the whole console concept as there was no incremental step to build from and the next gen Switch development is not as far along as it would have been otherwise.
* looks at latest sales charts *
I doubt it. The switch is still selling too well.
- It's hardware sales have peaked and is now in the decline phase
- Why put (literally) their biggest SYSTEM SELLER trapped on it's dying 6 year old system? The market is nearing saturation. How many more systems after 6 years could TotK really push??
Nintendo would be better off doing another dual launch like they did with BOTW. They would please the whiney Switch owners that say it's too soon and also please the fed up gamers tired of this sub 1080p bullshit.
It's been 7 years. It's not "too soon". People are getting tired of Switch and want something new. Zelda TotK would be the perfect vehicle to deliver this new hardware with the least amount of risk of failure.