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Digital Foundry may not be covering Hogwarts Legacy (Update: Cunts showed up to John's home to harass him prior to all of this.)

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Salz01

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Kind of blows my mind. Honestly this debacle makes that community seem intolerable now, which hurts any cause they had or have. People and sites caving to a small and vocal mob, is embarrassing in todays age. Their message or plight is so muddled now it’s hard and confusing to follow. As some have pointed out DF has been getting worse over the years as they get bigger this is the icing on that cake.
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
I won’t unsubscribe, because that seems like something Reee would do, if they didn’t get their way. But I will call them out on Twitter about it. Outside of that, it is what it is. I’ll forget about this in a week or two.
I give them money because I used to enjoy their coverage and personally feel if I kept giving them my money I would condone this REE type of behavior and I don't so I have indeed unsubbed

I am in no way telling others what to do just how my mind thinks
 

GymWolf

Gold Member
Pussies. Unsubbed.
senor-chang-gay.gif
 

Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Digital Foundry is absolutely a joke now

Their takes are absurd, don’t deep dive into the right things everyone else is noticing, and decide not to cover the biggest games this year

Fuck their nonsense, I’m out as a subscriber
Got any examples of the things you are talking about?
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Days ago, Linneman said they couldnt do reviews yet because they werent getting a reviews copies till launch day.

But that doesnt mean they cant do them next week.

So we'll see if they are simply delaying their articles or outright avoiding doing them.
 

MMaRsu

Banned
According to techpowerup they seem to think it's shader compilation stutters for things that are calculated on the fly, hence the situation is worse when out in the open world due to the dynamic TOD.

The shader compilation that happens when you boot the game is not for everything:

Just like in most other recent releases, shader compiling and stuttering is a problem in Hogwarts Legacy. Right on startup, before the main menu, the game presents you a "compiling shaders" screen that lasts for three to five minutes. Unfortunately the shaders that get compiled at this time are only the most essential ones. As you progress through the game you'll encounter serious drops in framerate (to unplayable levels) for about 30 seconds. Just stop and wait for the shader compiler to finish—this breaks the immersion of course and I wonder if this can't be solved more elegantly. I investigated a bit further and the game is compiling shaders in the background even during normal stutter-free gameplay, too, without affecting the game much. We've seen such problems in many games recently and I keep hearing how these will get fixed in the "day one" patch, "soon" after launch, maybe with the next big patch, or with the next DLC. For nearly all games these issues never get fixed, and there's never any noteworthy performance improvements, so /doubt. My recommendation is to just live with it, stop playing for a few seconds when you get hit by the stutter, take a short break, and resume when things are smooth again. Just to clarify, for 98% of my play time in the first few hours there was no stutter and no frame drop issues, everything was super smooth.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/hogwarts-legacy-benchmark-test-performance-analysis/7.html
That cant be it, because I can stay in the same room and all of a sudden it will drop down to 10-15fps going from 60.
 
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As they are employed from Eurogamer, it's not their decision what they can cover or not but a company decision.

Edit: as pointed out from another poster and me checking their site this statement is false and it seems that there is something else going.
 
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T4keD0wN

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I see no problem with it, its their choice wether they cover it or not. Its not like they are obliged to cover everything.
Shame, an analysis game would be very interesting to see. They will lose out on a bunch of potential video views which theyll have to content with and thats it.
Choosing not to do something if perfectly fine and they dont have to justify it in any way.
 

MMaRsu

Banned
Some people think that covering and promoting the game is an endorsement of anti trans sentiment.

I'm surprised you've missed it, it's been very big news.

Im being facetious. The users I quoted pretended it was their choice because they didnt have any interest in the game itself.
 

MMaRsu

Banned
As they are employed from Eurogamer, it's not their decision what they can cover or not but a company decision.
Eurogamer has reviewed the game already.
I see no problem with it, its their choice wether they cover it or not. Its not like they are obliged to cover everything.
Shame, an analysis game would be very interesting to see. They will lose out on a bunch of potential video views which theyll have to content with and thats it.
Choosing not to do something if perfectly fine and they dont have to justify it in any way.
Right and we are free to comment on it though.
 

murmulis

Member
Other Eurogamer sites have the review:

So, it's not Eurogamer, it's not Warner Bros.
This is from some soyboy at Eurolamer.net.
Their English language site and Rock Paper Shotgun pretend that the game doesn't exist.
 

Lunarorbit

Member
Kind of blows my mind. Honestly this debacle makes that community seem intolerable now, which hurts any cause they had or have. People and sites caving to a small and vocal mob, is embarrassing in todays age. Their message or plight is so muddled now it’s hard and confusing to follow. As some have pointed out DF has been getting worse over the years as they get bigger this is the icing on that cake.
That's how I feel about the NBA when kyrie made all his antisemitic comments. Not a single player said anything against him.

Tell us how you really feel fellow nba players. So I'm a racist if I'm not anti racist. Got it. Guess you're all antisemitic then. Totally undermines your entire blm message
 

Spokker

Member
I don't think DF is not covering it because of politics. Linneman said earlier that they didn't get a review code and that he's been pressed for time. He wants to do Metroid Prime Remastered but isn't due to working on other things.

DF still covered Dead or Alive 6 despite Eurogamer calling it embarrassing. Yeah, they are probably big liberals like 95% of people in gaming journalism but I don't think they are such pussies that they will boycott a game.

The game does deserve a quality analysis though. There are 5 graphics modes on PS5 and Xbox Series X, and you can uncap the frame rate independently of the mode. The game is highly detailed but suffers from stuttering during loading and there are glitches here and there (like talking to NPCs and seeing what looks like flickering polygons occasionally). Hopefully they patch it and smooth over some of these issues.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
Unsubscribing would be silent protest, REE would be anything but silent.
yep. we are literally seeing them harass streamers on twitch and sending them threats on twitter. They apparently made Shelby from GF reviews cry on stream. They are spoiling hogwarts for everyone online.

Unsubscribing is not something id personally do but equating it to what era and other nutjobs is doing is simply inaccurate.
 

GHG

Gold Member
That cant be it, because I can stay in the same room and all of a sudden it will drop down to 10-15fps going from 60.

That sounds like a memory leak but fuck knows at this point. All I know is that if I try to run it on my rig without frame gen turned on shits fucked.

And most people don't have GPU's that are frame generation capable so I can see why people are getting frustrated with it.
 

FoxMcChief

Gold Member
yep. we are literally seeing them harass streamers on twitch and sending them threats on twitter. They apparently made Shelby from GF reviews cry on stream. They are spoiling hogwarts for everyone online.

Unsubscribing is not something id personally do but equating it to what era and other nutjobs is doing is simply inaccurate.
Very true. I won’t edit my post, but will leave the cookie trail of how my mind was changed. That’s something that can’t be done by posters at Reee. They have their fingers in their ears and yelling at the top of their lungs their hate speech.
 

Astral Dog

Member
I just don’t buy that it’s to make a stand against transphobia. It’s because they are scared of the backlash if they do it.
If i remember, guy has a big presence on ResetEra, mentioning anything Hogwarts Legacy is forbidden there so he is saving his account by ignoring one of the biggest games of the year for the sake of that awful place and Twitter mobs, yeah its insane 🤷🏻‍♂️ people need to grow a pair.

Edit: apprently they may release some video covering the game?? lets wait and see what comes out of this 🍿
 
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Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Dead Space setting the standard for remakes
This was your post:

Digital Foundry is absolutely a joke now

Their takes are absurd, don’t deep dive into the right things everyone else is noticing, and decide not to cover the biggest games this year

Fuck their nonsense, I’m out as a subscriber



Dead Space is a stellar Remake, it should be the standard anything less than a Dead Space level remake is poopoo.
Whats so absurd about that?
You do know what a Standard is right?

You also say the dont deep dive into the right things......what things do they NOT deep dive into which you consider to be the right things?

You further go on to say they decide not to cover the biggest "games" this year....what are the biggest "games" of 2023 that they have decided to NOT cover?

So far this year:
Theyve done:
  • Dead Space console and PC
  • Forspoken console and PC
  • Monster Hunter Rise
  • Steam Deck vs AAA titles
  • Evil West.
  • NFS Unbound
  • FortNite Unreal Engine update.
  • DarkTide
  • Call fo Duty Warzone 2, all versions.
  • Callisto Protocol console and PC
  • Fire Emblem Engage
  • Intel Arc A770 for Nextgen AAA gaming (A budget PC build)
  • Portal RTX
  • Grand Theft Auto RayTracing update.
  • The Witcher 3 - Raytracing update.
    • PC, Console and a Series S specific video too.
  • Crisis Core Remake.
So what exactly am I missing here.
They seem to be covering pretty much everything everyone cares about.

Alex not covering Hogwarts was likely due to him working on the Dead Space PC video.
John doesnt like these types of games.
Ollie and/or Tom could still cover the game assuming they arent working on something else already.
If Rich says work on it they will work on it, if they dont well thats one game, we all hate DF anyway right....so nothing lost?
 
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RickSanchez

Member
Fucking cuck clowns.

As someone correctly recognised in another thread here recently there really is now a gap in the market for a no-nonsense performance analysis youtube channel, especially for PC games.

For this game's case, i can assume they want to stay away from the messy transphobia discourse around JK Rowling.

But have their other recent videos been politically charged as well ? I thought they used to be "no-nonsense" and only spoke about the technical aspects of games. Has that changed ? I haven't watched their videos for a long time.
 

LiquidMetal14

hide your water-based mammals
I genuinely want to know what they find and some degree of analysis so now because they refuse to cover the game I will have to seek elsewhere and I normally don't give the other competitions a chance on this namely NX Gamer but if I start to find a more reliable source for these kinds of things I just won't be looking at digital foundry especially when I genuinely am looking for some analysis and tweaking help

To be frank, this forum has been great in the past ever since I made the Skyrim mod thread back in the day. People here are either curating information from the internet and posting it or we are all interested in trying to refine The experience more especially when some little simple tweaks can reduce stuttering or improve performance or gain more visual fidelity.

That type of nuance is missing more from digital foundry and other outlets and I wish they would either create separate videos or dig deeper into stuff like this because there is a lot of enthusiasts here that definitely do get into the ini files.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
At the end of the day, this entire debacle shows that the loud annoying people and protesters are ultra small in numbers.

For most things they whine about, the general public doesn't really respond or care. So it looks like a one way street where you cant really see how big the group of supporters and non-supporters are.

But when this game will sell 10M or whatever copies and most game sites cover and review the game, it shows 99% of people dont give a shit about JK's political view and just want to play a Harry Potter game. In other words, they dont give a shit about an old woman's comment about hot topic X years ago.

Even for those game sites that are teetering on the fence reviewing the game while splashing in some political commentary in it, it truly shows that they value money and clicks over the issue anyway. If they truly felt that insulted by JK Rowling, theyd man up and not cover it.

But you know how it goes. Anything is up for sale when there's enough dollars involved.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
For those of you saying EG has turned political lately I never knew that. Only thing I occasionally skim are their DF pixel counting articles/videos when it's involved in some console war hilarity.
 

Mr Moose

Member
You further go on to say they decide not to cover the biggest "games" this year....what are the biggest "games" of 2023 that they have decided to NOT cover?

So far this year:
Theyve done:
  • Dead Space console and PC
  • Forspoken console and PC
  • Monster Hunter Rise
  • Steam Deck vs AAA titles
  • Evil West.
  • NFS Unbound
  • FortNite Unreal Engine update.
  • DarkTide
  • Call fo Duty Warzone 2, all versions.
  • Callisto Protocol console and PC
  • Fire Emblem Engage
  • Intel Arc A770 for Nextgen AAA gaming (A budget PC build)
  • Portal RTX
  • Grand Theft Auto RayTracing update.
  • The Witcher 3 - Raytracing update.
    • PC, Console and a Series S specific video too.
  • Crisis Core Remake.
Most are those were done in 2022.
This year they've done Dead Space, Forespoken, Hi-Fi Rush, Goldeneye, Monster Hunter Rise and Far Cry 3 for some reason.
 

Lysandros

Member
Yeah I always got the impression John is a bit up Sony’s arse. He edited a post here once where he admitted he wished Microsoft had never entered the industry but can stay professional about it in his work, a few of us saw it before he quickly edited it .
I really don't think he is. He is quite vocal about consistently recommending Xbox versions of games in his repeated tweets for one reason or another. Two notorious examples being Elden Ring (a game looked and ran better on PS5 with much shorter loading times) and Dead Space (virtual parity) more recently. I watched his retro series quite regularly back in the day, he clearly said he didn't like the PS1 hardware in one episode. He is an old Sega Saturn guy/fan just like Richard, never was a Sony fan. He also has some perplexing habits like publicly stating that XSX won much more face-offs in his analysis compared to PS5 on twitter while regularly complaining about console wars and playing the victim. In the end he is all over the place.
 

Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
This was your post:

Digital Foundry is absolutely a joke now

Their takes are absurd, don’t deep dive into the right things everyone else is noticing, and decide not to cover the biggest games this year

Fuck their nonsense, I’m out as a subscriber



Dead Space is a stellar Remake, it should be the standard anything less than a Dead Space level remake is poopoo.
Whats so absurd about that?
You do know what a Standard is right?

You also say the dont deep dive into the right things......what things do they NOT deep dive into which you consider to be the right things?

You further go on to say they decide not to cover the biggest "games" this year....what are the biggest "games" of 2023 that they have decided to NOT cover?

So far this year:
Theyve done:
  • Dead Space console and PC
  • Forspoken console and PC
  • Monster Hunter Rise
  • Steam Deck vs AAA titles
  • Evil West.
  • NFS Unbound
  • FortNite Unreal Engine update.
  • DarkTide
  • Call fo Duty Warzone 2, all versions.
  • Callisto Protocol console and PC
  • Fire Emblem Engage
  • Intel Arc A770 for Nextgen AAA gaming (A budget PC build)
  • Portal RTX
  • Grand Theft Auto RayTracing update.
  • The Witcher 3 - Raytracing update.
    • PC, Console and a Series S specific video too.
  • Crisis Core Remake.
So what exactly am I missing here.
They seem to be covering pretty much everything everyone cares about.

Alex not covering Hogwarts was likely due to him working on the Dead Space PC video.
John doesnt like these types of games.
Ollie and/or Tom could still cover the game assuming they arent working on something else already.
If Rich says work on it they will work on it, if they dont well thats one game, we all hate DF anyway right....so nothing lost?
I guess he pluralized "games" by accident. He likely meant the biggest game this year which Hogwarts Legacy has an argument for.
 

Mr Reasonable

Completely Unreasonable
Im being facetious. The users I quoted pretended it was their choice because they didnt have any interest in the game itself.

Oh right, I didn't think you were being genuine, but we interpret the "I've no interest" differently, I read it as "I've no interest in promoting that game" not "it doesn't personally interest me, so I can't be bothered to make a video" as you suggest.
 

Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Yes setting the bar

Dead Space doesn’t do that for remakes
So you gonna ignore the whole post and focus on semantics.

A standard is the minimum requirement for a "thing".
Dead Space should be the absolute minimum a game does to be considered a Remake.
Yes, that should be the standard.
Obviously there will be and should be things that are above the Standard.
So if a game comes along and all they did/do is remaster the textures....then it falls below the Standard and we should call it a Remaster instead.
Dead Space is a relatively if not proper level for a Standard of Remake.
Thats not even absurd.


What games have they NOT covered this year that you think they should have covered beyond Hogwarts (which came out like yesterday).


And what things do they NOT deep dive into that you think they should be deep diving into.

Give us some examples.
 

Ozriel

M$FT
Can’t say I blame DF that much. They took a ton of criticism for their coverage of Ion Fury. Someone made a thread about it here

If the critique for Ion Fury nearly caused John to have a breakdown, the much more virulent HL backlash would have probably torn him apart.
 
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