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NPD January 2023: Small decline in general YoY, both PS5 (1st) and Switch (2nd) up YoY.
Ouya low sales this year bringing down the whole ship
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
The million-dollar question: how? They have nothing big on the horizon to change the market perception.
I can't put myself in Phil's shoes at the moment; he really has a tough job to do. I'd have 0 ideas of what to do at this point if I were him.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
reinking
Gold Member
Sure. It shows the significance of COD at number one.
GHG
Member
ByWatterson
Member
They should do something crazy and desperate, like buy Activision.
graywolf323
Member
yep, despite everyone raving about how genius a move the Series S was, it doesn’t seem to be moving units even with significant sale prices
ByWatterson
Member
Is it too late for them to turn it around this gen? Starfield should hit big, but it's not clear when to expect anything from anyone else - we have no real understanding of when Hellblade, Fable, Indiana Jones, or Outer Worlds 2 are supposed to hit. I'm sure Forza will be a banger, but it's hardly going to move hardware.
I know Sony seems to have a formula on their big titles lately, and I've made that criticism, but I think we can say with some level of certainty that that is what the market demands. They need big, cinematic, AAA bangers, at least one, preferably two-three per year. Sony has FFXVI and then of course Spider-Man 2.
Like....has everyone processed how dominant Sony is going to be for the six months to end the year?
FalsettoVibe
Member
Yep.
I know we will never really know how well Hi-Fi Rush did due to Game Pass, but Forspoken looks decent so far. Number 7 here (not multi-platform) and it charted high in USA, Europe and Japan PlayStation stores for Jan.
Can't wait to see what the performance update brings.
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PropellerEar
Member
Is this F. 'Wat' Shaw?!PlayStation 5 was the U.S. market's best-selling hardware platform of January 2023 in both unit and dollar sales,
see folks , they dont need COD
If Lulu instead...
Heey!
ByWatterson
Member
I mean Hi-Fi Rush was dope but it didn't even crack Top 20 on Xbox top played.
And Halo gets shit on for floating between 15-25.
So.
solidus12
Member
Nature is healing
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
How does Spiderman: MM just keep selling so well?! WOW!
Kacho
Member
Good games would help Xbox, but yeah, they’ll be scraping for mindshare when Nintendo’s new hardware launches.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Fully agree. 2023 will be Xbox's most important year since 2009!
demigod
Member
I thought they were masking it when xbox was still winning during the 360 days or did i misremember.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Oh, I forgot that people were indeed comparing Forspoken vs. Hi-Fi Rush sales. Contrary to those claims, Forspoken did chart (and quite reasonably at #7) despite a $70 game.
Ash Sparrow
Banned
You guys are acting like you know how many units separate PS5 and Xbox?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
The heavy handed started in the PS4 era. It has been locked down even more the past 3-5 years as well. Mat mentioned in posts in the past it was to "please their partners."
Sony and Nintendo have no issue announcing total sales of software and systems, so...
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tkscz
Member
Welp, anyone waiting for a Switch successor announcement this year will be waiting for a long time if sales like that keep up.
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
Looks like Mat debunks this. He says all sales are included so Hifi Rush should be included in these charts.
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ByWatterson
Member
Jesus, didn't even think about bolded.
I'm loving my Series X and haven't touched my Switch in forever, but that's only because I find the lack of horsepower almost insulting at this point. But you absolutely know I'll be there for Switch 2. And then, sure, it becomes a matter of time available.
Well you don't need to buy and Xbox or games on their console..you only need gamepass and a pc...
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
For January, not yet. For the last 6 months in the US, yes.
From Sep to Nov. specifically, the difference was 1 million units. PS5 (2,278,000) outsold Xbox (1,279,000) by nearly 2:1.
H-I-M
Member
One is first and had its best January month.
The other one is last and declined so hard that it brought hardware sales in general down, despite the Switch and PS5 being up.
It's clear that people buy things for content. I think Microsoft is poised for a better year, maybe one of their strongest, but it could be too little too late. Xbox has been on the market for 2 years and couldn't make the pitch to buy one, even with Halo Infinite which didn't have the impact.
They need a really good marketing machine for Starfield, and the game needs to be 95+.
They need a really good marketing machine for Starfield, and the game needs to be 95+.
FriulHado
Member
Maybe you are right and this idea blows my mind. Why? I enjoy my series x with a huge backlog and I don’t understand why few gamers out there don’t feel the same.
It’s not a console war argument. There are good games in every system on the shelves.
From my pov as Xbox user (and switch too) there are a lot of games, it’s not a problem for me if they aren’t AAAAA….
Pentiment, Immortality, Hi-Fi rush, AoE2 HD and all the stuff on gamepass (Persona, return to Monkey Island and more) fills my days and enlarges my backlog (I still have to play Deathloop).
And next months will arrive Forza Motorsport (AAA), Redfall (AAA?), WOLONG(AAA) day1 gamepass…Starfield!
What is wrong with gamers around the world ?? They all wanna play only Harry Potter and be sheep in the flock?
Xbox doesn’t deserve this poor numbers. No way.
Tommi84
Member
Care to tell which first-party GAMES launched on xbox hardware recently? Hi-Fi rush aaand... that's it?
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
- Decline in sales
- Discounted price for months, even after the Holidays
People on here were praising Xbox sales last year when Xbox was beating PS5 in sales, but they didn't want to admit that it was due to supply constraints.
The writing for the Series S was on the wall when there was so much stock available early in the generation, and now they're already discounting the price.
People didn't want to accept the fact that exclusives matter.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
wonder how big the gap is.....People are obviously certain that it is huge , going by the posts in here
Imtjnotu
Member
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Spiderman is really big IP? I think Hogwarts legacy might also have big legs.
I do wonder how Microsoft is planning to address the issue with sales of consoles. They clearly gave up on Series X sales and their main idea seems to try to sell Series S.
Without much promotions and with big marketing campaign for third party games like HP by Playstation, it will bring more people to PS ecosystem and they are much less likely to switch (I guess that's the reason of their push for cheaper Series S). And it is very hard to switch ecosystems (especially after generation of investments in it). And that's without rumored diskless PS5 that will be (or probably not) cheaper than Series X.
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Kacho
Member
We'll only know if Aqua leaks numbers again. Xbox being down YOY isn't good no matter how you slice it though. They will continue to bleed until big games start dropping. Gonna be a rough year for them until then.wonder how big the gap is.....People are obviously certain that it is huge , going by the posts in here
GHG
Member
demigod
Member
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Phil said they were in constraint in the last communication about stock levels. Sony has seen an absolute monstrous boost in hardware so I have no idea what is going on with Xbox.
We know Sony was in constraint the first half of 2022 and MS was leading sales, Sony only managed to turn that lead around JUST in the second half of 2022. MS looks to be suffering now with unit sales.
Maybe its part of their plan with ABK deal, they may be doing something slimy to be able to say look how far behind we are?
I dunno, something seems a little off.
Mr Moose
Member
NPD game sales are based on revenue.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
But Pachter told me Playstation is doomed, so yea, Xbox won!
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
That TLOU Part 1 tv show bump is crazy. 36 to almost top 10.
crackajack
Member
They have the studios already to counter Sony, even without AB. So just deliver game after game after game. With the number of studios it should even be no problem if a few of them can't get their prototype into full production.
MS now has the punching power to deliver, they just need to do it consistantly.
Neither Nintendo nor Sony have that one big hit that is solely responsible for their situation. I am not even sure why the Switch is selling, at least not to that extent. And PS5 exclusives are also not really that many, but both have trusting customers, and they think eventually there will be a hit here and there and other stuff runs on it too, so I buy it already. MS has imho tradionally very bad end of gen support and only has a couple of Forza, Halo and Gears fans, but other than that they have not managed to be that synonymous with gaming. Bethesda alone, once people realize their RPGs and id shooters will only be on Xbox, should shift perception. That change has not happened yet. Skyrim etc is on PS+, Deathloop was even a Sony exclusive.
At this point they just have to continue this course. Day and Date on GP is basically all they have objectively in their favor though, since HW difference is kind of neglectible. A diverse game lineup should be coming. And depending on anyone's varying taste this could of course be very important. Sony seems to be betting a bit more on GaaS even though one would assume those games would naturally fit on GP more since, and MS focuses a lot more on GP, while Sony seems not so eager to advertise Plus at all. Getting AB too, would of course be huge, even if CoD stays on Sony and comes to Nintendo, Day and Date on GP would be a talking point for that game more than for anything else. So, imho just doing their current lineup should be noticed with time.
His job was spending money his division did not earn, in hope that it will move the needle some day and at worst be an asset that can be sold again to eg Tencent or some sheikh or whoever is investing some gajillions in something if MS actually ever pulls out. I think there are a lot harder jobs.
Unknown?
Member
It's okay an insider I know says another cut to $169 is in order with free gamepass for 5 years. That's GOT to work, right?
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