demigod
Member
Sony are so evil yet their first party games only costed $40 during the PS2 days. Their games were competing with 3rd parties. Did y'all just started playing on consoles?
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NPD January 2023: Small decline in general YoY, both PS5 (1st) and Switch (2nd) up YoY.
Topher
Gold Member
Xbox isn't going anywhere.
Cyber_hunter026
Member
analog_future
Banned
Why are you bringing up what their games were priced at over 20 years ago? How is that relevant in any way in 2023? Let's look at what they're doing in 2023, as that's actually rational.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
PS2 era sony and PS5 era sony nickle and diming their customers are a very different company.
Hell, PS4 era Sony charged $40 for their remakes. PS5 era Sony charges $70.
Sony and MS both need each other especially since Nintendo has effectively bowed out of the console war focusing exclusively on handhelds. Thats one reason why the CoD deal is so contentious. There are no other competition for MS and Sony when it comes to third party games. 99% of the third party games dont even come out on the switch. Sony and MS are both holding each other in check and if one bows, it's going to be bad for the consumers.
John Wick
Member
Why what difference is that going to make?
John Wick
Member
To survive? They make 70 billion profit every year. They aren't in any danger/fear of not surviving.4D chess played by Microsoft to appear weak and in need of the Activision merger approval in order to survive.
FalsettoVibe
Member
After the Bethesda purchase, MS should have spend that $70b on bolstering their internal studios. They need some bangers. Also, GP doesn't seem like a big deal to most outside of gaming forum users.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
This still shouldn't have stopped MS from partnering with a VR headset manufacturer. Plus they 100% would be willing to give up 30% of their revenue if it game them one more place to sell their VR games.
You say that sarcastically but I'm actually genius
and you clearly didn't understand why I would ask you why you would say what you said in a sales thread
Topher
Gold Member
ChuckeRearmed
Member
I don't think that doing justice is important for anybody aside DF though.
The thing is that Playstation sales do not indicate that at all. There is no indication that people would rather buy a cheaper console now than the more expensive one. Later in the gen when the demand is satisfied - sure, but right now? They are still the first adopters and people right now want the "hottest" product which is the more powerful console, rather than just a cheaper price.
I do funny it is fascinating that Playstation's bet on third parties and transmedia IPs - something that did not work for Xbox One - is doing wonders this gen. Would not be surprised that the cheaper diskless PS5 will do the same thing that Series S supposed to do originally.
Still remains to be seen when the cadence of releases of Xbox changes. For now there is no big first party releases and no third party marketing (to the point that some people are not aware that HP is available on Xbox). So Xbox essentially does not exist for now.
John Wick
Member
Is this the Hill you want to die on?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Nah bro. The difference between the Series S and Series X matters. It isn't just 10% less resolution or something small.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Sony charges the amount the market allows them to.
They weren't charging 70$ for remakes because they probably had data that showed they wouldn't sell well and it's been 10 years.
- PS5 has remakes for 70$ and yet, they sell. TLOU remake is yet again increasing in all charts;
- People complained about the PS5 price increase and yet PS5 is selling out after that.
- People complained about the games price increase while complimenting the Game Pass model for years. One is selling over 11M copies of certain games in less than 3 months for 80€ / 70$...the other one's subscribers don't get publicly updated for over a year (and it's available in both PC and consoles).
- People laughed at Sony for making a TLOU remake yet it's proven it was the perfect strategy.
- People laughed at an Uncharted movie with Tom Holland and it became a box office hit;
- I spent 10 years hearing that TLOU story was "nothing special" and how lots of movies and TV shows have done this before and the only reason why the game was a hit was because we never got something like this on a videogame...Sony announces the TV show and it became one of HBOs biggest hits ever.
Maybe PS5 era Sony knows what they are doing in all fronts and forum users don't?
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suspicious mind
Member
No its you who doesnt understand why i would post this in a sales thread and not in the greatest asses of videogames thread.You say that sarcastically but I'm actually genius
Jim Ryan other Clone
Banned
Give me his job and in one year Xbox will release a new game every second month non stop. Too much coffee breaks, too much perks in office, not afraid to lose your job, no targets and deadlines make even the best workers lazy assholes, i would never lift my finger in a company that values mediocrity. When two people get the same salary and one does nothing and the other works but In the end of the month they get the same money the second guy after couple months he will turn and behave like the first guy. They work in America in the land of triggered liberals, they never worked with people criticizing them or putting pressure on them.
Continental Europe has joined the party:
Jan 2023
#1 PS5 (up 202% yoy)
#2 NSW (down 11% yoy)
#3 X|S (down 32% yoy)
Jan 2023
#1 PS5 (up 202% yoy)
#2 NSW (down 11% yoy)
#3 X|S (down 32% yoy)
SLB1904
Banned
Jesus that drop and that jump
a multicultural team of v
Member
202% is 3x btw
Thirty7ven
Banned
Big time momentum
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Something tells me NONE of this is why Xbox isn't doing better.
mansoor1980
Member
Luminoth-4545
Member
Yearly worldwide calendar year shipments for PS5 and Switch
Sony are expecting a huge Jan-Mar for PS5 possibly 5 to 6 million which would be a massive increase over last years 2 million, i expect a huge increase for the whole year with 2023 probably being PS5's peak year for sales. Switch is declining by 4 million a year which will likely continue and Xbox will probably sell poorly until some big exclusives arrive on the platform.
My 2023 Worldwide sales prediction
PS5: 24 million
NSW: 15 million
Xbox Series: 9 million
Sony are expecting a huge Jan-Mar for PS5 possibly 5 to 6 million which would be a massive increase over last years 2 million, i expect a huge increase for the whole year with 2023 probably being PS5's peak year for sales. Switch is declining by 4 million a year which will likely continue and Xbox will probably sell poorly until some big exclusives arrive on the platform.
My 2023 Worldwide sales prediction
PS5: 24 million
NSW: 15 million
Xbox Series: 9 million
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GHG
Member
There's no other way to put it, Xbox have downed tools at a critical point in the generation.
Absolutely piss poor pipeline, talent and IP management. At least Phil got some awards last year though.
It's actually a lot more simple than that but he just so happens to be everyone's favourite fake friend huggy bear.
Absolutely piss poor pipeline, talent and IP management. At least Phil got some awards last year though.
It's actually a lot more simple than that but he just so happens to be everyone's favourite fake friend huggy bear.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Mibu no ookami
Member
No games, diminishing mindshare
I told people 2023 was going to be a rough year for Xbox and 2024 might be a barren year.
There is this idea that Starfield as new IP is going to move units. The reality is that most people who know what Starfield even is and want it on console, already have an Xbox. Original IP is almost never a system seller. With it being available on GamePass and specifically GamePass PC... I'm not sure how well it will do with numbers. Microsoft's entire model is cannibalistic and it's starting to bite them. When you think about the number of people who will need to play Starfield for it to be a success... the number is crazy, like 30-40 million (and that would make it bigger than Skyrim which was multiplatform across multiple generations). When you take into account the percentage of these that will play on PC rather than console, it's probably at least 25% PC and I'm being generously conservative here. That gives you 22.5 million to 30 million on Xbox. Now maybe half of those are going to be GamePass... so now you're looking at 11.25 to 15 million buying the game... now how many of these are going to be net new users who are just buying the console for the first time. Of course some of that will be captured in net new gamepass users as well, but I think you can get the idea that it'll be very hard for this game by itelf to move the needle.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Except it is not. Ask a person playing game and he won't tell what fps and resolution the game is running.
With GoW launch and now HP game marketed as if it is exclusive + the end of shortage for them, momentum is really big. + TLOU show.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Mr Moose
Member
You are asking why are people comparing sales in a sales thread.
As a brand but as far as consoles go it's up in the air if they will come out to play in a traditional way next go around. Lately Microsoft don't even talk about Xbox Consoles & it seems they are taking a wait & see approach instead of making a push for a turnaround for Series X . PlayStation quickly got the manufacturing price down on PS5 & they will take it further with the redesign but Xbox doesn't seem to be focusing on making a big hardware push. I can see them releasing Surface products that will play your Xbox games or moving to cheaper Xbox consoles moving forward.
kaizenkko
Member
1) Microsoft's marketing is really bad, and Playstation already dominates the "mouth to mouth" marketing.Maybe you are right and this idea blows my mind. Why? I enjoy my series x with a huge backlog and I don’t understand why few gamers out there don’t feel the same.
It’s not a console war argument. There are good games in every system on the shelves.
From my pov as Xbox user (and switch too) there are a lot of games, it’s not a problem for me if they aren’t AAAAA….
Pentiment, Immortality, Hi-Fi rush, AoE2 HD and all the stuff on gamepass (Persona, return to Monkey Island and more) fills my days and enlarges my backlog (I still have to play Deathloop).
And next months will arrive Forza Motorsport (AAA), Redfall (AAA?), WOLONG(AAA) day1 gamepass…Starfield!
What is wrong with gamers around the world ?? They all wanna play only Harry Potter and be sheep in the flock?
Xbox doesn’t deserve this poor numbers. No way.
2) The gamepass is the only attraction of the Xbox, and contrary to what Microsoft believes, it is not something that valuable.
3) Still theres a lack of AAA exclusive games, that type of game who can really catch the interest of the public.
Honestly, I don't see things changing. Including, I imagine that the Playstation will sell much more than the Xbox throughout the year.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
GHG
Member
People have eyes and 4k adoption is increasing at an exponential rate.
Varteras
Gold Member
I don't even think we need to wait that long. I'm pretty sure this generation has already been decided. PlayStation came in hot off of PS4 while Xbox was dragging its own body across the line with XBO. PS5 came out marketing new features and big games at launch with various solid releases for the year ahead. Xbox Series was mostly more of the same with no big releases until a whole year after launch and one of them, arguably the most important, ultimately ended up falling well short. The first two years have watched game after game come out on PS5 while XBS struggles to get consistent, high-profile, and impactful releases. The occasional lower budget gems like Hi-Fi Rush just aren't going to move the needle. Especially when even PlayStation's re-releases are getting more attention than most of Xbox's new games.
No matter how good this year is for Xbox, it's not going to shift things because PlayStation isn't slowing down. Starfield could be amazing but it won't make people forget about God of War and Horizon and then get them to ignore Final Fantasy and Spider-Man coming up. We're seeing clear indications that the neck-and-neck race for North America is slipping out of Xbox's fingers while being painfully obvious that global sales outside that region are still not at all favorable for them. Gamepass has acted as an expensive flotation device to keep Xbox's head above water while hoping the content ship arrives soon enough to save them from a storm. It takes years and a number of big things to happen, both good and bad, for a mindshare shift to happen. That COULD happen this generation but by the time that begins changing sales this generation will be over.
PlayStation has been firing on all cylinders for over a decade now. Xbox, in all that time, still has not mounted a truly effective response yet. Until they do, what we've been seeing happen since 2010 will just play on repeat.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Right?
Just really think about it, and you gotta tip off your hat to SIE's management for their strategic, ever-building momentum strategies:
- January-February = PSVR 2 + Hogwart's Legacy + TLOU Show
- March-April = All of the above + Horizon Burning Shores
- May-June = Final Fantasy XVI
- H2 2023 = Spider-Man 2, TLOU Online (marketing and/or release), Helldivers 2, PS5 w/ detachable disc drive.
2023 will be crazy for PlayStation.
I'm lost is this about PS5 sales yoy?
Ar¢tos
Member
If they give up the 30% they would get nothing, just the costs of hosting the games and process payments for the VR manufacturer, just to say "we have VR too".
They are already losing game sales to gamepass, gamepass can't remain at current price to be profitable and if they increase price they'll lose subscribers, it's basically a time bomb, they can't add to that VR at a loss just to stay relevant, and it's probably too late in this gen for that, even if they don't design their own VR headset.
Mr Moose
Member
January 2022 v 2023.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Iced Arcade
Member
Tlou is going to keep climbing and climbing with the series being so massive.
mansoor1980
Member
You're clearly lost & angry
.You asked "Why compare console sales? " in a thread about sales . Now do you want to continue to make yourself look silly or do you want to move along?