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[93xfan]

And, for the record, out of the two of us you are the only one capable of being unwittingly insulting. When I insult someone, I am wantonly being an asshole. That's because I have self-awareness.

Whereas you've got your head so far up your pampering, sanctimonious ass that you suffer from a total lack of understanding of your position in the world and can insult people merely by your implicit assumption to be morally superior to them, even when you mean well. Somehow, that is much, much worse.

So, don't be surprised when people who have self-esteem and self-respect respond negatively and know how to push your uncultured oaf buttons.

Sorry you had a bad father that ruined your childhood. Sorry you spent most of your first grade thinking about sex. Please don’t take it out on me any further.

 

[93xfan]

Stealing is bad because it makes the victims unhappy and reduces their well being, as well as violates their right to personal property.

Does that challenge you and discourage you from stealing in the future? I hope so.

I was responding to his assumption that anything he desires was not his fault , it’s just the way he is (or was made) and he has no responsibility in whether he gives in to his urges or not.

 

[Mossybrew]

This thread has really gone places. Solid entertainment.

 

[Halo is Back]

If she yell YES JESUS in the sack, she religiously takin this nut

She taking the holy seed. Blessed, are thou cum.

 

[E-Cat]

Sorry you had a bad father that ruined your childhood. Sorry you spent most of your first grade thinking about sex. Please don’t take it out on me any further.

Arguing in bad faith with an agenda, your ”facts” diametrically opposed to what I have told you. Quite congruent with a worldview that derives its power from revelation and make-believe when objectivity fails you. Or maybe you just have dementia, ChatGPT has a larger context window than your feeble mind.

I’d tell you to go fuck yourself, but you wouldn’t know how.

 

[E-Cat]

I was responding to his assumption that anything he desires was not his fault , it’s just the way he is (or was made) and he has no responsibility in whether he gives in to his urges or not.

5-year-olds are supposed to have control over their urges? News to me.

Also, he was clearly using irony. You can’t recognize that? How low-IQ are you?

 

[93xfan]

5-year-olds are supposed to have control over their urges? News to me.

Also, he was clearly using irony. You can’t recognize that? How low-IQ are you?

I caught the joke, nonetheless, I wanted to state my point as it wasn’t clearly received either.

With all your insults, I’ve clearly struck a nerve with you.

Besides all that, you come in here, tell us porn for your 6 year old mind had no consequences, pretend you aren’t swaying the conversation of it being damaging for kids, and then do ad hominem attacks on someone and their wife for having a different perspective.

And as far as awareness…. You cannot even admit seeing porn at such an early age may have adversely affected you in ways you cannot perceive. Even with all your anger and lashing out surrounding it.

side note: the porn you saw is probably very tame compared to what a kid may stumble across today. But I don’t want to continue conversing with you, so I’ll stop here. Putting you on ignore.

 

[Lunarorbit]

It's a bit difficult to have an adult conversation with a reddit-fedora brain, but I've done worse so let's go...

It's always amusing to see the progressive crowd pretend not to be motivated entirely by religious beliefs. Even the simple notion that human individuality or self-expression mean anything at all in the universe (rather than being purely epiphenoma, that we can freely suppress or destroy as needed to achieve broader goals) does not come from anything in the natural world or sciences, but entirely from the intellectual & moral inheritance of religious thinking that establishes the person as a locus of essential, transcendent value. The natural world teaches nothing but brutality of the powerful over the weak, & even rape as legitimate ways for stronger beings to succeed and spread. Be honest about the origin of your beliefs; even back in Plato & Aristotle, the organizing tenet which cannot be removed from their elevation of ethics is a thoroughgoing theistic conception of the universe.

More on point: sex is the most critical centerpiece of ethical systems in every single civilization on earth for quite rational reasons. It's the only human activity which creates new human beings--whether consciously intended or not--and therefore should always have equal centrality under the law as acts of murder or destroying human beings; they are symmetrical ends of all human morality.

Prohibitions of various kinds against unfettered sexual activity have everything to do with basic social order, ensuring children are given due weight and that their biological parents are mostly united (we live in the world possible era today on this point, unsurprisingly), and ensuring that the strong & attractive don't totally overpower the weak. That last point is particularly salient today: the distorted sexual marketplace simply means that the attractive and wealthy, who can weather the market, run off with the benefit, while an increasingly massive portion of the population remains alone. But that's another topic about the reality of sexual economy and the way that "liberalized" systems simply throw most ordinary people to the wolves or shrug at their solitary lives.



This is highly disputed and debated, by no means some kind of clear and universal finding, I'm sorry to tell you. First of all Holland was not a typical case; in its prior situation, before brothels were legalized, it had an unusually rampant economy of sex for sale, due to a generalized decriminalization strategy going way back which created a pretty terrible hotbed compared to most civilized nations. It's a bit like letting cartels run amok for a century and then legalizing all hard drugs one day, then claiming that this argues against avoiding the proliferation of destructive drugs in general; no, it obviously doesn't.

Sex isn't the most critical centerpiece of ethical systems. Murder. Abel and Caine, much?

Just gotta disagree with lots of what you said.

 

[Larogue]

Op must be /r/NoFap mod.

 

[Raonak]

Religious people desire to control sex just as they desire to control everything in society.

 

[93xfan]

Religious people desire to control sex just as they desire to control everything in society

We weren’t the ones demanding and celebrating censorship (lab leak, government working with twitter to suppress speech, libs of tik tok being banned, setting up a “truth commission”, etc)

I think most of us just want you all not to demand secret sex talks with our 8 year olds (as you tell us they NEED to learn about masturbation at that age) and not to sexualize children or put them in front of gyrating drag queens.

 

[FunkMiller]

I don't think you understood that remark at all, unsurprisingly. And I spent many, many years in secular graduate school on my way to a phd in a major northeastern US city, during the years when I myself was nominally an atheist. But the distinction between nominal and functionally theist is beyond your pay grade based on your reading of my last reply.

Evilore‘s already drop kicked you into the next century (or, given your general attitude and backward opinion, maybe he just brought you finally into this one), so my fedora rabbit brain doesn’t really need to say anything else.

 

[Raonak]

We weren’t the ones demanding and celebrating censorship (lab leak, government working with twitter to suppress speech, libs of tik tok being banned, setting up a “truth commission”, etc)

I think most of us just want you all not to demand secret sex talks with our 8 year olds (as you tell us they NEED to learn about masturbation at that age) and not to sexualize children or put them in front of gyrating drag queens.

What are you even talking about? Religious people love censorship. Ya'll barely believe in contraception, evolution, dinosaurs amongst many other things.
Acting like religious people are not against free-speech is hilarious revisionist bullshit, all of history shows that.

And it's better that kids learn about what is good and bad sexual contact so they... ya know... know that priests molesting them is a bad thing.

 

[93xfan]

What are you even talking about? Religious people love censorship. Ya'll barely believe in contraception, evolution, dinosaurs amongst many other things.
Acting like religious people are not against free-speech is hilarious revisionist bullshit, all of history shows that.

Some fallacies there, but we at least don’t believe you should be silenced for believing men can’t change their sex, and we believe you should be able to speak out against your government.

And it's better that kids learn about what is good and bad sexual contact so they... ya know... know that priests molesting them is a bad thing.

Not a Catholic myself. My understanding is a large portion of that was people being allowed into the Catholic Church who stated they didn’t want to be married, but then ended up horriblly abusing their positions by sleeping with 15-17 year old boys. Maybe that’s true, and maybe it isn’t.

Take a look at public schools, btw. Pedophiles all over the place (not counting the groomers and creeps that push shady conversations with kids (such as one recently who want ed to know their kids sexual fantasies). So many instances of teachers sleeping with children.

 

[diunxx]

I mean, no one calls tik tok/ youtube, food content creators chefs...

 

[darrylgorn]

 

[funkygunther]

we believe you should be able to speak out against your government.

Not true. Go to UAE or Saudi Arabia.

 

[RPS37]

I personally thought it was odd in the 90s when on Friends they were normalizing watching porn. They all casually just watched it like it was nothing in a few scenes.

I don’t Know what to Google right now.

 

[93xfan]

Not true. Go to UAE or Saudi Arabia.

Maybe that’s a good reason not to put all religion under the same umbrella

 

[funkygunther]

Maybe that’s a good reason not to put all religion under the same umbrella

Which is exactly what you're doing here every time you say "we"

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

I personally thought it was odd in the 90s when on Friends they were normalizing watching porn. They all casually just watched it like it was nothing in a few scenes.

That always felt weird to me. Do people watch porn with their friends, let alone their sibling?

 

[German Hops]

Sorry you had a bad father that ruined your childhood.

 

[Zephyrus0]

It's a bit difficult to have an adult conversation with a reddit-fedora brain, but I've done worse so let's go...

It's always amusing to see the progressive crowd pretend not to be motivated entirely by religious beliefs. Even the simple notion that human individuality or self-expression mean anything at all in the universe (rather than being purely epiphenoma, that we can freely suppress or destroy as needed to achieve broader goals) does not come from anything in the natural world or sciences, but entirely from the intellectual & moral inheritance of religious thinking that establishes the person as a locus of essential, transcendent value. The natural world teaches nothing but brutality of the powerful over the weak, & even rape as legitimate ways for stronger beings to succeed and spread. Be honest about the origin of your beliefs; even back in Plato & Aristotle, the organizing tenet which cannot be removed from their elevation of ethics is a thoroughgoing theistic conception of the universe.

More on point: sex is the most critical centerpiece of ethical systems in every single civilization on earth for quite rational reasons. It's the only human activity which creates new human beings--whether consciously intended or not--and therefore should always have equal centrality under the law as acts of murder or destroying human beings; they are symmetrical ends of all human morality.

Prohibitions of various kinds against unfettered sexual activity have everything to do with basic social order, ensuring children are given due weight and that their biological parents are mostly united (we live in the world possible era today on this point, unsurprisingly), and ensuring that the strong & attractive don't totally overpower the weak. That last point is particularly salient today: the distorted sexual marketplace simply means that the attractive and wealthy, who can weather the market, run off with the benefit, while an increasingly massive portion of the population remains alone. But that's another topic about the reality of sexual economy and the way that "liberalized" systems simply throw most ordinary people to the wolves or shrug at their solitary lives.



This is highly disputed and debated, by no means some kind of clear and universal finding, I'm sorry to tell you. First of all Holland was not a typical case; in its prior situation, before brothels were legalized, it had an unusually rampant economy of sex for sale, due to a generalized decriminalization strategy going way back which created a pretty terrible hotbed compared to most civilized nations. It's a bit like letting cartels run amok for a century and then legalizing all hard drugs one day, then claiming that this argues against avoiding the proliferation of destructive drugs in general; no, it obviously doesn't.

this post. All of it.
I'm honestly stunned. Might be the first time I ever saw a post that perfectly encapsulated my thoughts and views.
Bravo

 

[darrylgorn]

Just go to Thailand and get it done already.

 

[Lunarorbit]

We weren’t the ones demanding and celebrating censorship (lab leak, government working with twitter to suppress speech, libs of tik tok being banned, setting up a “truth commission”, etc)

I think most of us just want you all not to demand secret sex talks with our 8 year olds (as you tell us they NEED to learn about masturbation at that age) and not to sexualize children or put them in front of gyrating drag queens.

Theres nothing wrong with drag queens. This is a played out bad faith agreement.

When you have neonazis fighting against people reading to children... I mean just look at that sentence. What good have homophope, book burning, gun toodler neonazis ever done?

Religious zealots want to sexualize everything and make it into a moral panic. They are the biggest closeted group when it comes to sexual liberation. It's pathetic and boring.

 

[93xfan]

Theres nothing wrong with drag queens. This is a played out bad faith agreement.

When you have neonazis fighting against people reading to children... I mean just look at that sentence. What good have homophope, book burning, gun toodler neonazis ever done?

Religious zealots want to sexualize everything and make it into a moral panic. They are the biggest closeted group when it comes to sexual liberation. It's pathetic and boring.

fixed that for you.
What a straw man. And removing the context of me pointing out the ones that are dancing sexually around children. Bad faith argument indeed.

One drag queen recently was talking in front of kids about licking somebody where they pee. But nothing shocks most people anymore.

 

[93xfan]

That always felt weird to me. Do people watch porn with their friends, let alone their sibling?

Glad to see someone else gets it

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

Theres nothing wrong with drag queens.

There is a place and time for drag queens. School isn’t one of them.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

ill b ur daddy

 

[German Hops]

ill b ur daddy

ok, but I prefer it to be non-sexually.
like, take me fishing or camping; try to not pop my booty.

 

[sumdumfuk]

Dunno, I’m and oldschool Anabolic Videos hardcore guy. The whole “I’m a whore online” neighborhood girl is weird. Just be a whore for your bf/gf/whatever

 

[TheDreadBaron]

It's a bit difficult to have an adult conversation with a reddit-fedora brain, but I've done worse so let's go...

It's always amusing to see the progressive crowd pretend not to be motivated entirely by religious beliefs. Even the simple notion that human individuality or self-expression mean anything at all in the universe (rather than being purely epiphenoma, that we can freely suppress or destroy as needed to achieve broader goals) does not come from anything in the natural world or sciences, but entirely from the intellectual & moral inheritance of religious thinking that establishes the person as a locus of essential, transcendent value. The natural world teaches nothing but brutality of the powerful over the weak, & even rape as legitimate ways for stronger beings to succeed and spread. Be honest about the origin of your beliefs; even back in Plato & Aristotle, the organizing tenet which cannot be removed from their elevation of ethics is a thoroughgoing theistic conception of the universe.

More on point: sex is the most critical centerpiece of ethical systems in every single civilization on earth for quite rational reasons. It's the only human activity which creates new human beings--whether consciously intended or not--and therefore should always have equal centrality under the law as acts of murder or destroying human beings; they are symmetrical ends of all human morality.

Prohibitions of various kinds against unfettered sexual activity have everything to do with basic social order, ensuring children are given due weight and that their biological parents are mostly united (we live in the world possible era today on this point, unsurprisingly), and ensuring that the strong & attractive don't totally overpower the weak. That last point is particularly salient today: the distorted sexual marketplace simply means that the attractive and wealthy, who can weather the market, run off with the benefit, while an increasingly massive portion of the population remains alone. But that's another topic about the reality of sexual economy and the way that "liberalized" systems simply throw most ordinary people to the wolves or shrug at their solitary lives.



This is highly disputed and debated, by no means some kind of clear and universal finding, I'm sorry to tell you. First of all Holland was not a typical case; in its prior situation, before brothels were legalized, it had an unusually rampant economy of sex for sale, due to a generalized decriminalization strategy going way back which created a pretty terrible hotbed compared to most civilized nations. It's a bit like letting cartels run amok for a century and then legalizing all hard drugs one day, then claiming that this argues against avoiding the proliferation of destructive drugs in general; no, it obviously doesn't.

No morality without God, eh? It’s called human solidarity, people have an innate desire to be altruistic to their fellow humans. Going back to nature, it’s why a squirrel will scream a warning when a predator is spotted nearby, putting themselves in more danger for the good of the group. People are born with a conscience, some people say that’s god’s work too, I say it doesn’t require any god it’s just innate in us.

Religion’s views on sex are hardly a shining beacon of ethical progress. It’s nobody’s business whatever transaction takes place between two consenting adults. Wouldn’t your solitary, overpowered, weak person like to have the option to pay for sex? Or should we go back to forcing them to stay in a loveless marriage because god said so?

 

[sumdumfuk]

Interesting, but cutting to the chase - does eating ass/having your ass eaten offends Jesus?

 

[Rentahamster]

Interesting, but cutting to the chase - does eating ass/having your ass eaten offends Jesus?

It's not specifically forbidden, like how eating shellfish is. That means it's fine. Jesus loves you and condones licking anus.

 

[RAÏSanÏa]

We weren’t the ones demanding and celebrating censorship (lab leak, government working with twitter to suppress speech, libs of tik tok being banned, setting up a “truth commission”, etc)

I think most of us just want you all not to demand secret sex talks with our 8 year olds (as you tell us they NEED to learn about masturbation at that age) and not to sexualize children or put them in front of gyrating drag queens.

There's no secrecy in public schools which publish their curriculum and teach openly. It's religious types with the priests and such who take children for private secret sex talks, like the Mormons. Lots of guilt and control tactics, devil puts gay thoughts in the brain type stuff, little to no science.

Comprehensive secular sex education has been shown to reduce unwanted pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases leading to econonic and social benefits for the individual and community.

Unsure which school district is teaching about the analytic nature of masturbation at 8, that seems like a wild claim, but the subject is approached in grade 6 (11 y/o) in places. In general it appears that 8 year olds learn about bigger picture generic things like same sex marriage which overlaps with basic civics.

None of that has to do with normalizing porn. Education demystifies sex, the opposite of porn which is to create a fantasy.

 

[93xfan]

There's no secrecy in public schools which publish their curriculum and teach openly. It's religious types with the priests and such who take children for private secret sex talks, like the Mormons. Lots of guilt and control tactics, devil puts gay thoughts in the brain type stuff, little to no science.

That happens too. And pedos/pedo groomers are definitely prevalent in public schools as well.

Comprehensive secular sex education has been shown to reduce unwanted pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases leading to econonic and social benefits for the individual and community.

That’s fine. All for that.

Unsure which school district is teaching about the analytic nature of masturbation at 8, that seems like a wild claim,

https://www.foxnews.com/us/dalton-parents-masturbation-videos-first-graders

There’s plenty of schools already pushing it for 8-10 year olds. Found this and am not surprised the groomers keep pushing boundaries.:

 

[VN1X]

I've not kept up with the thread (so apologies if this post is off-topic) but am I really seeing people defending porn as a whole or the normalization of it? Or even the exposure of it to children, whether that be through "EdUCaTioN" or otherwise?

Porn is hugely detrimental to society lol and I say that as someone who's been exposed to it from a young age. To say that "Nuh-uh not me! I don't have a problem!" when you can't even go a week without rubbing one out is ridiculous. You're an addict.

 

[93xfan]

Religion’s views on sex are hardly a shining beacon of ethical progress. It’s nobody’s business whatever transaction takes place between two consenting adults. Wouldn’t your solitary, overpowered, weak person like to have the option to pay for sex? Or should we go back to forcing them to stay in a loveless marriage because god said so?

Thought it was everyone’s business. How else do purple and blue haired people get to demand others encourage and celebrate it?

 

[E-Cat]

It's not specifically forbidden, like how eating shellfish is. That means it's fine. Jesus loves you and condones licking anus.

Pretty sure that licking ass can be seen as a form of sodomy. God likes to turn people into statues of salt for that.

 

[Grildon Tundy]

Pretty sure that licking ass can be seen as a form of sodomy. God likes to turn people into statues of salt for that.

You don't even want to know what the people in Gomorrah were up to

 

[E-Cat]

Porn is hugely detrimental to society lol and I say that as someone who's been exposed to it from a young age. To say that "Nuh-uh not me! I don't have a problem!" when you can't even go a week without rubbing one out is ridiculous. You're an addict.

Reflecting much?

 

[VN1X]

Reflecting much?

Hey man, if you can go months without looking at porn (or longer) then more power to ya! I struggle with it myself (as I said I was exposed to it at a young age) but am trying to stay abstain from it now and I'm powering through!

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

Really weird and amusing seeing "religion" (naively defined) as the target of basement dweller types, when we're witnessing the most fanatical and destructive sexual myths ever now on the supposedly secular side--with the new magical belief system of internal gender identities, and nothing short of willing child sacrifice & mutilation to that god. Quite frankly we live in the least grounded and most metaphysically dogmatic sexual regime the world has ever known.

 

[E-Cat]

Hey man, if you can go months without looking at porn (or longer) then more power to ya! I struggle with it myself (as I said I was exposed to it at a young age) but am trying to stay abstain from it now and I'm powering through!

We were talking about a week, weren't we? Nahh I can go a month with no problem. Also was exposed to porn at a very young age (6-7).

I even offended one guy in this thread so much for their inability to pinpoint to any psychological trauma incurred by me from the experience that they were triggered and had to ban me. Bitch move, really.

Good luck on your journey!

 

[E-Cat]

Really weird and amusing seeing "religion" (naively defined) as the target of basement dweller types, when we're witnessing the most fanatical and destructive sexual myths ever now on the supposedly secular side--with the new magical belief system of internal gender identities, and nothing short of willing child sacrifice & mutilation to that god. Quite frankly we live in the least grounded and most metaphysically dogmatic sexual regime the world has ever known.

Hitler and Stalin were evil because both had moustaches. C'mon bro, that's a cringe argument. You can't just box together widely different worldviews under the arbitrary 'umbrella' of secularism and draw correlations based on that.

 

[RAÏSanÏa]

That happens too. And pedos/pedo groomers are definitely prevalent in public schools as well.

That’s fine. All for that.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/dalton-parents-masturbation-videos-first-graders

There’s plenty of schools already pushing it for 8-10 year olds. Found this and am not surprised the groomers keep pushing boundaries.:

That is why there are background checks, reporting mechanisms and oversight.
Public schools still have problems but they publicize and remove offenders

Religious schools have a record for hiding sexual misconduct.
Even recently:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/lawsuit-alleges-sexual-abuse-coverup-private-christian-school-1.6545390

The proposed class action lawsuit follows a CBC News investigation this month into allegations by more than 30 students of widespread physical abuse, solitary confinement, exorcisms and forced political campaigning.

Some students came forward and confided to other staff about the sexual abuse, according to the statement of claim. The students say it was covered up.

According to the statement, the students were sent to unqualified school counsellors who told them not to talk in order to "conceal and maintain secrecy respecting sexual abuse."

The students say they were threatened with paddling and other violence if they didn't keep quiet.

The school in the article you posted was a single private school with no indication from the article of being broadly adopted in education. It's a good example of an outlier from the result of one educator given license that wasn't properly reviewed. To the school's credit they did agree that the approach was wrong for the school, removed things after review and seemed to update the oversight process.

 

[Rentahamster]

Pretty sure that licking ass can be seen as a form of sodomy. God likes to turn people into statues of salt for that.

This interpretation is a mere mortal interpretation and thus fallible. God does not specifically command against tonguing buttholes, so Jesus condones it.

He will banish your ass to hell, however, for planting your fields with two types of seed or wearing clothes woven from two kinds of materials. That's clearly forbidden. So be merry and slurp sphincter among your field of wheat while only wearing cotton.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

 

[E-Cat]

He will banish your ass to hell, however, for planting your fields with two types of seed or wearing clothes woven from two kinds of materials.

Nah dude, that was just some Old Testament advice for Jews who feared the God of the Old Testament. But it was later subverted by the Book of Convenient Cherry-Picking for the modern man who likes to have his cake and eat ass, too.

That's the great thing about religion, you can customize it to fit your lifestyle!

 

[M1chl]

So what let people have fun I guess.

I almost ended up in one popular Czech series, sadly I was little bitch back then. Nowadays I would wear that shit with honor.