Bumblebeetuna
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Why would that matter in terms of deals? Please name for me one of these “forever deals” MS needs to sign that already exists in the market?
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Why would that matter in terms of deals? Please name for me one of these “forever deals” MS needs to sign that already exists in the market?
demigod
Member
Guy is a
, let him believe what he wants, lol.Because one is out of obligation and the other is for revenue/profit of an independent company.
Nobody needs to sign anything so I'm not sure why you're asking for examples of "forever deals".
It's like you forget the 10yr deal was only a 3 yr deal before and people were saying they can't make it longer, until they could of course. They wanted the shorter deal because they want the freedom to remove it. Saying MS making a deal out of its own free will with Sony is like independent Activision making a deal with Sony/MS is just burying your head in the sand. The odd thing is that I'm sure you would be the first to turn around and say "MS own property they can do what they want with their IP" if that time where all obligations are gone did come.
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Google seems to be pushing an 'all-cloud' operating system on what are essentially thin clients. I suspect gaming on those laptops is something they want to compete on.
They probably want ABK games on other cloud providers like their own and not solely on Windows/DX either.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Which one do you think is an obligation? Also, the ABK deal is for revenue/profit. And MS will keep CoD on PS, for revenue/profit.
Exactly, nobody needs to sign anything. Thanks for agreeing.
I don’t care what “people” said. Also, are the marketing deals ABK signs with MS/Sony not deals made on their own free will? Of course they are. You guys keep stumbling making the dumbest points
I am already saying MS can do whatever they want with their IPs. They can remove CoD day one after the deal if they want. I’m just saying they won’t.
Feel free to @ me if you ever find one of these “forever deals” MS is supposed to sign. Until then have fun with crystal balls and clown arguments
TheGodfather07
Member
Yeah it makes no sense that people think the CMA will just change their mind. Their main reasoning was Microsoft using cod to harm competitors and as a result, reduce fair competition. How do all these 10 year deals resolve that, when Microsoft can do what they want after that 10 year period is up? Isnt that the very reason why they want divestiture or structural remedies? It's the only real way to ensure that never happens. Now all of a sudden they just throw that out and accept Microsofts concessions?
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Which do you think?
Name me the conflict of interest with ABK signing a deal with MS/Sony vs MS signing a deal with Sony.I don’t care what “people” said. Also, are the marketing deals ABK signs with MS/Sony not deals made on their own free will? Of course they are. You guys keep stumbling making the dumbest points
While they're at it why don't they sign a marketing deal with Sony for Starfield and Sea of Thieves too. I'm sure they would love the revenue/profit in the exact same way an independent publisher would, am I right? Obviously there is no difference between an independent publisher and MS so they should obviously do it.
crystal balling that they won't remove it instead and drawing a parallel to Activision deals with Sony/MS yet having the audacity to talk to me about crystal balls and clown arguments.I am already saying MS can do whatever they want with their IPs. They can remove CoD day one after the deal if they want. I’m just saying they won’t.
Feel free to @ me if you ever find one of these “forever deals” MS is supposed to sign. Until then have fun with crystal balls and clown arguments
Topher
Gold Member
We need to add a poll to this thread Asking if you believe this deal will go through. Display votes publicly.
1) Yes, will be approved without changes
2) Yes, will be approved but with structural changes to ABK.
3) Yes, will be approved but only with behavioral concessions.
4) No, will not be approved
Thoughts?
Mod of War
Any chance we can add this poll?
1) Yes, will be approved without changes
2) Yes, will be approved but with structural changes to ABK.
3) Yes, will be approved but only with behavioral concessions.
4) No, will not be approved
Thoughts?
Mod of War
Any chance we can add this poll?
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mansoor1980
Gold Member
what about....................
4) yes it will be approved with no changes
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DrFigs
Member
proudly in denial
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Which do you think?
Name me the conflict of interest with ABK signing a deal with MS/Sony vs MS signing a deal with Sony.
While they're at it why don't they sign a marketing deal with Sony for Starfield and Sea of Thieves too. I'm sure they would love the revenue/profit in the exact same way an independent publisher would, am I right? Obviously there is no difference between an independent publisher and MS so they should obviously do it.
crystal balling that they won't remove it instead and drawing a parallel to Activision deals with Sony/MS yet having the audacity to talk to me about crystal balls and clown arguments.
MS has said on record that they will treat CoD like Minecraft. Let me know when they maybe eventually one day probably remove it from other platforms, we can update everyone’s crystal ball records.
Topher
Gold Member
Put that one at the top. Seems unlikely considering there are concessions already in place, but folks can choose that if they want. Good call.
laynelane
Member
The person you are replying to said, in the same post, that they are giving their "take as a Brit". I didn't see anything implying they think they are in control of the CMA and what they eventually decide. As well, though I may be in the minority, I find it interesting to hear about factors and environments in other countries that may impact the way this goes.
Topher
Gold Member
I have never said it won't go through, but there are plenty of reasons to think that. Doubt is not denial.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
By who? Under what conditions? Be more specific.
Banjo64
cumsessed
They also said on record that they have no incentive to withhold Zenimax games from the PlayStation platform.
There you go. We’ve come full circle for the 823rd time.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
No they didn’t. They said case by case basis.
Banjo64
cumsessed
No, they said both.
TheGodfather07
Member
Can you update your brain so it has a few cells?
feynoob
Banned
Join me man.
This acquisition is making my head hurt. Right when I think I have a clue about what's going on, I realize......I don't have a fucking clue about what's going on.
I have gained my sanity once I stopped getting involved with this thread.
I am like the rest of guys here who is watching the thread.
Iced Arcade
Member
Team hope for strick behavioral concessions that benefits gamers. Idgaf about any of these companies.We need to add a poll to this thread Asking if you believe this deal will go through. Display votes publicly.
1) Yes, will be approved without changes
2) Yes, will be approved but with structural changes to ABK.
3) Yes, will be approved but only with behavioral concessions.
4) No, will not be approved
Thoughts?
This acquisition can go either way. Never seen something swing back and forth so much.
End of the day I don't care to be honest. I haven't bought a COD game in years.
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Dick Jones
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I want a poll on what method Brad Smith will use to display his next presentation:We need to add a poll to this thread Asking if you believe this deal will go through. Display votes publicly.
1) Yes, will be approved without changes
2) Yes, will be approved but with structural changes to ABK.
3) Yes, will be approved but only with behavioral concessions.
4) No, will not be approved
Thoughts?
- pie chart
- line chart
- bar chart
- Venn diagram
Warablo
Member
One thing that isn't talked about a lot is 2 or more ex-executives from Xbox are actually heads in Blizzard right now.
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Banjo64
cumsessed
You’re in as much as the rest of us brother. Let’s not pretend.Join me man.
I have gained my sanity once I stopped getting involved with this thread.
I am like the rest of guys here who is watching the thread.
Topher
Gold Member
Join me man.
I have gained my sanity once I stopped getting involved with this thread.
I am like the rest of guys here who is watching the thread.
I still enjoy the thread. Trying to not take it too seriously although I still get wound up every now and then. For the most part, it has been a good lively debate along with plenty of goofiness.
splattered
Member
Just in case a poll never gets added, i would go with 3... i think it will go through but only with behavioral concessions
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
This acquisition is making my head hurt. Right when I think I have a clue about what's going on, I realize......I don't have a fucking clue about what's going on.
Just ignore threads like this and just focus on actually playing games. I'm tired of all these posts about this MS bullshit acquisition on my different social feeds constantly.
The only thing i see is creative poverty at MS and nothing more.
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Bumblebeetuna
Member
Phil Spencer said "case by case", but that isn't what was submitted to the EC.Banjo64 is correct.
Are you basing this off of the FTC report? Already debunked.
MS turning CoD exclusive would be a break from the norm.
Varteras
Gold Member
We need to add a poll to this thread Asking if you believe this deal will go through. Display votes publicly.
1) Yes, will be approved without changes
2) Yes, will be approved but with structural changes to ABK.
3) Yes, will be approved but only with behavioral concessions.
4) No, will not be approved
Thoughts?
Public results?
Topher
Gold Member
No, I'm talking about what
Banjo64
said. Microsoft did say to the EC they had no incentive to make Zenimax games exclusive. What you are talking about is when the FTC said Microsoft misled the EC in that statement. The EC responded to that saying they did not rely on statements about future distribution of Zenimax games in their decision.
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Topher
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Poll is up! Thanks
Mod of War
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Mod of War
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PaintTinJr
Member
I don't believe I said I was, did I? I was merely trying to explain how - from my observation as a Brit - how the machinery of UK regulators works compared to other regions and how I expect this to go, based on them being consistent in how they approach regulation based on their current stance in this end game phase of the regulation process.
But feel free to point out the specific text - if I did claim to be in control of the CMA - and I'll go back and change the wording.
mansoor1980
Gold Member
voted for...............
1) Yes, will be approved without changes
jimbo put up a good fight but MS has a ton of cash and political power
1) Yes, will be approved without changes
jimbo put up a good fight but MS has a ton of cash and political power
Topher
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Varteras
Gold Member
PaintTinJr
Member
I voted approve with structural remedies.
As much as I would like it to fail completely, I suspect Microsoft will realise in the final furlong that the deal being blocked fully harms all their plans for using their money in the future and would rather buy ATVI without CoD and talk it up as a successful M&A - looking to the future of new acquisitions - than have it completely blocked and left wondering if they've peaked as a company - without freedom to wheel and deal to grow as before - and everything from here on could be slow year on year declines or status quo.
As much as I would like it to fail completely, I suspect Microsoft will realise in the final furlong that the deal being blocked fully harms all their plans for using their money in the future and would rather buy ATVI without CoD and talk it up as a successful M&A - looking to the future of new acquisitions - than have it completely blocked and left wondering if they've peaked as a company - without freedom to wheel and deal to grow as before - and everything from here on could be slow year on year declines or status quo.
jm89
Member
You doing it for your girl aren't you?
mansoor1980
Gold Member
nope , i tend to look at the worse case scenario
Banjo64
cumsessed
He might not be, but I am. Now please excuse me whilst I go and play Prison Princess on my PlayStation.
Banjo64
cumsessed
You’re going to get bummed by Jim Ryan in a dark alleyway?
freefornow
Gold Member
With the EU extending their deadline to allow them to "test the market" with Microsofts prososed remedies, is this something the CMA will do? (market test proposed remedies) Or do they only make their decision on what has been submitted to them? (no test of proposed remedies).
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Pretty sure all these regulators are kicking the can down the road as far as they can hoping one of the others makes their decision for them and takes all the blame.
Crazy conspiracy theory. Okay...Or I don't subscribe to crazy conspiracy theories of the third place console maker snuffing out competition but taking over 20 years to do so. All you'd have to do is show a video or interview of Phil Spencer or any one currently working at MS talking about 'extinguishing' Sony and Nintendo. Something that wild would certainly have made the news.
Trust me I am not worried about guys looking like this:
making fun of any one.
In the span of two years MS buys Zenimax and ABK.
Huge western publishers with a wide variety of highly popular IP's. Some of the biggest sellers for 3rd parties. The elder scrolls, call of duty, diablo, warcraft, overwatch, fallout, etc.
Hugely popular games that sold the most on playstation hardware.
Hugely popular games with no direct competition from sony's 1st parties. Not a single game Sony has in their first party belongs to the same genres of these popular IP's.
So sony lacks games to mitigate the damage of the loss of these IP's.
PS gamers suddenly find themselves with no games of similar caliber.
Xbox starts seeing a uptick in sales for people who want to play those huge popular games.
Most people who buy consoles only buy 1 or 2 games and they're usually call of duty, fifa and some other popular casual game like TES or fallout.
Developers then start supporting the console with the biggest userbase more.
You call this a conspiracy theory? A crazy one too...
You realize this was what happened to sega? And almost nintendo before they found their niche with wacky gimmicks?
Not with the same exact games and moves. In the case of dreamcast with one of them. Fifa. The lack of fifa on the dreamcast hurt Sega hard.
The lack of final fantasy and many Squaresoft games hurt nintendo.
You think it'd be any different now?
I didn't like it when it happened to Sega. The industry lost something that day. I don't want to see it happen again. Especially not with by the numbers MS.
demigod
Member
Omfg I’m the only one who voted no, someone fucking join me!!!!Poll is up! Thanks
Bumblebeetuna
Member
No, I'm talking about what
What you are talking about is when the FTC said Microsoft misled the EC in that statement. The EC responded to that saying they did not rely on statements about future distribution of Zenimax games in their decision.
And they aren’t keeping them exclusive… they even released two on PS5 timed exclusive for a year. And have released other games/expansions since, and included PlayStation systems in updates for the games they now own.
If MS says they’re going to keep a game multi platform, they’ve done it in the past. Valve and publishers/developers have come out in support of the deal and said as such. What would be breaking from the norm for them is to say CoD will always be on PlayStation, and then not doing it. Or purposely breaking/ruining games on other platforms or whatever nonsense Sony was spewing lately.
Topher
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