BossLackey
Gold Member
Fuck off with this shit. Every damn game anymore.
Why is this all of a sudden a thing as of like 3 years ago!?
Why is this all of a sudden a thing as of like 3 years ago!?
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"Shader optimization 34%"
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diffusionx
Gold Member
shaders have to compile, it either happens before the game or during it, which causes stutter, pick your poison
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Hopefully direct storage and other advances smooth this out while not taking away from an expected smooth experience when running HW like mine and other enthusiasts (4090/7900x3D).
I expect little to no struggles with any games get some have some occasional issues like Sackboy Adventures pre-patch. I appreciate all the things happening to advance and better performance but shader compilation is something we need to solve as soon as possible.
I expect little to no struggles with any games get some have some occasional issues like Sackboy Adventures pre-patch. I appreciate all the things happening to advance and better performance but shader compilation is something we need to solve as soon as possible.
U n i o n 0015
Member
I wish I saw that message with more UE4 games...rather wait a bit to play my game rather than having a stuttery mess when I actually do play
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
This is a good thing. It's not like you didn't just spend 30 minutes downloading 120 gig of data anyway. They could, and some do, have it is an option if you are desperate to start playing and can't wait another two minutes but it should always be available.
BossLackey
Gold Member
Dust-by-Monday
Member
Glad consoles are better
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Hawking Radiation
Member
What's going on lol
Not sure if OP is talking about the same thing here but i hate having to wait in Call Of Duty for the shaders to load before I can start a multiplayer match.
Is that what this is? is this what's fuelling OP's rage?
Not sure if OP is talking about the same thing here but i hate having to wait in Call Of Duty for the shaders to load before I can start a multiplayer match.
Is that what this is? is this what's fuelling OP's rage?
Comandr
Member
It would be funny if it was and then the devs removed it. So now instead of precaching every time he tried to change guns or shoot or do anything in the middle of the match it stuttered to hell and his k/d ratio became irreparable. Then he'd really explode.
Pegasus Actual
Member
Not as annoying as people not understanding how to use the word "anymore" anymore.
BossLackey
Gold Member
Closer
Member
Sure but It is painful anyways.
SeraphJan
Member
This is probability the only area where console had an advantage due to unified platform, shader could be pre-compiled instead of real time compilation. In terms of PC gaming, everyone have different hardware, different drivers and OS, the shader have to compile in real time which translate high level language into low level machine language for your hardware to recognize, most traversal stutter happens when new area is compiling, this is just a limitation due to how diverse PC hardware are. However there are trick to hide it instead of causing stutter, good optimized game rarely stutters.
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
It really does. Devs are taking PC more and more seriously, taking the time to include PC only optimizations to prevent issues like shader stutter. Glad you noticed.
Sleepwalker
Member
Wow so outraged at a loading bar, something you have been dealing with for over 20 years. Remember when games took ages to install?
ZoukGalaxy
Member
34,2%
*Almost finish, please wait while waiting*
*Almost finish, please wait while waiting*
ChorizoPicozo
Member
what game?
bitbydeath
Member
Because games are developed for consoles which use SSD’s now while PC having a multitude of setups are requiring to pass through slower RAM.
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
It’s even more amazing in games like Hogwarts, where it compiles shaders and then still stutters like crazy.
Cuz you had to do this all over again after changing graphic settings or update driver .
Goon_Bong
Member
I was thinking along the lines of poorly optimised ports, shader stuttering, underdone keyboard and mouse support and of course, who doesn’t want to wait for shaders to compile after each update.
Sounds like this is the future.
Consoles have to compile shaders too. It's just done when an update is installed since all consoles share an identical configuration.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
That’s 33 seconds I am in the game on ps5
Badum tssss…. /a
Goon_Bong
Member
Consoles don’t have to compile shaders. Shaders are precompiled by the developers and delivered as part of the game install including updates as every machine is identical.
Microsoft and the wider PC industry need to find a solution. Gaming on PC last gen was preferable due to fewer of these issues being present and no 60fps on consoles but the scrappy experience on PC now really isn’t sustainable.
More why PC doesn't compile shaders before running the game?
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Which is what I wrote. Its done at update because they are identical. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear.
The solution is for developers to allow compiling on first run or to use vendor features like Nvidia's shader cache.
Goon_Bong
Member
Are you saying they’re done on the console or done by the developer before delivery of the game files?
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Developer. They precompile it at install and every update.
sorry but
Oh no! You're dumb!
anymore is mostly used in negative statements and about something that used to occur but not anymore
Using it in positive statements is fucking weird and sounds like crap
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Shaders use to be very small. That’s the short of it.
Now they are many and huge with multiple branching options depending on your brand and model of gpu.
Since as far back as I remember .. at least 2014. Shaders have been like this.. Shaders get compiled to byte code by the dev on publish but then that byte code gets compiled by your specific gpu for optimization.
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winjer
Gold Member
Shaders have become much more complex. And low level APIs, like DX12 and Vulkan, changed how shaders are arranged internally.
This brings big performance gains. But it requires longer shader compilation.
Consoles can ship with pre-compiled shaders, because it's a closed system, that is identical for all users.
On PC we have several different GPUs and drivers. So shaders have to be compiled for each system.
But compiling on the startup of a game is a good thing, because then the game won't have to compile shaders during runtime, causing stutters from shader compilation.
A Most Virtuous Cat
Banned
So If I understand correctly, consoles don't suffer from this because theres only 1 configuration to publish shaders for?
Edgelord79
Gold Member
You are a one trick pony.