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God of War 2018 and Ragnarok are way overrated
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anthraticus
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All this mainstream entertainment nowadays (tv, movies, games, etc) is over emotional bs trying so hard to tug at ppls heartstrings and I fucking hate it.
SeraphJan
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IMO Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal are text book of how game developer cared for their core audience, instead of try to please wider audience, (the audience that might not even give a fuck about your game in the end anyways) the latter might grab some cash temporarily, but might lose in the long run (although this probably might not happen to Sony, since first party exclusive are almost always the exception to the rule, but most third party game typically end badly in this regard)
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JimmyRustler
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I still can't bring myself to finish Ragnarok. That game is sooooo bloated.
Team Andromeda
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I liked the 2018 game it was an amazing adventure that felt like you were playing a Ray Harryhausen game
I found Ragnarok rather dull nothing new and a sequel by the numbers
I found Ragnarok rather dull nothing new and a sequel by the numbers
Hot5pur
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First of all very nice writing, I rather enjoyed that.
I agree on most accounts. I think the new GoW are good but flawed and not as good or in the spirit of the old games. I haven't played the second but I understand it's similar.
With 2018 I felt the over the shoulder camera and lack of free movement really hurt it. Also no aerial combat. It's like they restricted the game just so it can be more cinematic. The reality is the original games found a good balance between spectacle and gameplay, without too much compromise. This was done with QTEs and special sequences when the camera would zoom in.
Some people love cinematic stuff, and that's why Sony is popular. Some people just want their games to be more like movies. Most Sony games have become somewhat long cinematic slogs with ok gameplay but high production values otherwise. I still enjoy them but it's a specific kind of game.
Horizon, Last of Us, GoW 2018 are all examples of nice games overall, but with priority on cinema, with gameplay that is quite average.
I agree on most accounts. I think the new GoW are good but flawed and not as good or in the spirit of the old games. I haven't played the second but I understand it's similar.
With 2018 I felt the over the shoulder camera and lack of free movement really hurt it. Also no aerial combat. It's like they restricted the game just so it can be more cinematic. The reality is the original games found a good balance between spectacle and gameplay, without too much compromise. This was done with QTEs and special sequences when the camera would zoom in.
Some people love cinematic stuff, and that's why Sony is popular. Some people just want their games to be more like movies. Most Sony games have become somewhat long cinematic slogs with ok gameplay but high production values otherwise. I still enjoy them but it's a specific kind of game.
Horizon, Last of Us, GoW 2018 are all examples of nice games overall, but with priority on cinema, with gameplay that is quite average.
Drizzlehell
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Nice try but if you're really interested in stories like that then you can do so, so much better than this.
Therefore, when I'm in the mood for thoughtful stories about fatherhood or grief, then I'm gonna go for something that's actually worth my time. But when I pick up a game in the series that's known for being a violent power fantasy, the last thing I wanna see is some old scrote moping about the past or grunting at his whiny kid. Next thing I know he's gonna start passing Werther's Original around.
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Fabieter
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I think its interesting. I love both gow and dont think it's overrated but I wouldn't replay them either. Therfore it's interesting for me when alot of people can do it. I dont grasp it tho.
phil_t98
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they are both great games, loads of story to them and very entertaining. the only complaint I could have is the PS5 version isn't a big upgrade on the previous God of war but the ps4 God of war was one of the best looking games of last generation and looked practically next gen when it launched.
gameplay wise its a God of war game what do you expect? there is plenty to do when the game is finished with loads of secrets.
gameplay wise its a God of war game what do you expect? there is plenty to do when the game is finished with loads of secrets.
Calverz
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I didn’t like the original god of war games. When I first saw the unveiling of 2018 I was interested. It looked good. I then eventually picked it up and played it on ps4 pro. I never finished it though. I found it pretty boring after a couple of hours. Ragnarok just looked like more of the same to me. I don’t understand why they don’t add any multiplayer modes to these games. 
Edit: I should add that I did give it another go when I got my ps5. (got it free in the collection). But no. Not for me.
Edit: I should add that I did give it another go when I got my ps5. (got it free in the collection). But no. Not for me.
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You can say "objectively" that the Souls games have really poor combat. The move set is as simplistic as it gets, everything is ultra slow, enemies are trivially easy to read, there are almost no cancels, etc. Your options at a given point are extremely limited compared to, say, Devil May Cry or Ninja Gaiden. However, those things have a purpose, because games are more than their combat mechanics as they look on paper. In the Souls games, forcing you to commit to a move with no way back, the slow tempo, and moving your choices of moves to the meta, are integral to the experience because the game wants to play more like a real time strategy puzzle with high stakes rather than a twitch skill challenge. It's similar to how survival horror games gimp their shooter mechanics. I wouldn't say that one approach is necessarily worse than the other.
The modern GoW have a lot of this. They had different goals with the game experience, so the combat is different. The narrative and characters are now more important, so you have a third person camera and that comes with a set of compromises, especially regarding movement and enemy AI. It also comes with advantages, such as enabling more immersion, meaningful exploration, and puzzles.
I personally prefer the originals, because I enjoy that kind of game more than the new one. But again, I don't think the new approach is necessarily worse, it's my preference, and judging by their success, it was probably a good move.
The modern GoW have a lot of this. They had different goals with the game experience, so the combat is different. The narrative and characters are now more important, so you have a third person camera and that comes with a set of compromises, especially regarding movement and enemy AI. It also comes with advantages, such as enabling more immersion, meaningful exploration, and puzzles.
I personally prefer the originals, because I enjoy that kind of game more than the new one. But again, I don't think the new approach is necessarily worse, it's my preference, and judging by their success, it was probably a good move.
Hellblade 2 has 40 people dev team
They confirmed that they do not changing the "small scale development approach"
It is quite unfair to compare it to AAA monsters.
And, also.
While i am not a fan of it's shitty in your face overacting galore, first game(15 person dev team game) was way better then GoW as far as narrative direction goes
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sankt-Antonio
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Imo 2018 / Ragnarok gameplay with all the other stuff from the old games would be great.
Markio128
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I’m not dissing Hellblade - I enjoyed the first game and it had an interesting premise. However, I don’t think the dev team size has any bearing on the point I was trying to make.
But it somewhat does i think...
It makes em cutting corners more forgivable.
There is no universe where this placeholder of a gameplay first Hellblade had would've been forgiven if it was 500 people team working for 5 years behind it.
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Markio128
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The point I’m trying to make is that if the Hellblade team wanted to make something similar to GOW 2005, then they could with the team that they have.
However, whilst a minority of gamers may be happy with mechanics and gameplay from 2005 (such as the OP), I’d say the vast majority prefer the direction taken currently.
elcapitano
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I really liked God of War 4.
Ragnarok though is very overrated. It's like they set out to make the safest story possible where they wouldn't piss anyone off.
It's was a decent game to me nothing more. I put it on the level of GOT. Well made games but just didn't have that something special for me.
Ragnarok though is very overrated. It's like they set out to make the safest story possible where they wouldn't piss anyone off.
It's was a decent game to me nothing more. I put it on the level of GOT. Well made games but just didn't have that something special for me.
TheAssist
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I find the terms over- and underrated in regards to videogames pretty unusable. People who say either simply have an opinion that differs from the median. And opinions are hardly objective, no matter how much arguments you bring to the table. As this thread shows there are people on either side of the fence, again with the median leaning towards that they are good games and are hardly overrated, but rated according to what most people find enjoyable. Doesnt mean the games are for everyone taste, but also doesnt mean their rating is skewed into any "wrong" direction.
In short: You dont like a thing. Go figure.
In short: You dont like a thing. Go figure.
Hobbygaming
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Hobbygaming
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I don't think I would like Zelda but I know that objectively they're great games
Ragnarok is a masterpiece imo
Markio128
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This is another opinion I don’t understand. I mean, how many other sequels veer greatly from the original?
It is bout execution rather then direction.
Lot's of half measures, cut corners.
N just outright rapper banding n automating the shit outa combat in a moments when your underline systems are failing is inexcusable
And Atreus is a cunt while Kratos turned into a different, worse kind of carbon cutout character rather then having some newly found depth to him with the story that goes absolutely NOWHERE while entire game basically build around the purpose of telling that said story
It is clearly does not matter as people entertained by this big budget jerk off of a game. So...
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pleaseinsertdisctwo
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I will never understand what people see in GoW.
I only played 2018 until, like, the 40% mark, and it was thoroughly unenjoyable, trendy trash, and the gimmicky camera was utter garbage.
I only played 2018 until, like, the 40% mark, and it was thoroughly unenjoyable, trendy trash, and the gimmicky camera was utter garbage.
When you say Adventure it seems you have a specific flavor or Genre in mind.
The Adventure was the Quest to Retrieve Pandoras Box and Use its "Secret" to defeat Aries and get Vengenance for his hand in "nudging" your familys Murder.
Hobbygaming
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100% GoW Ragnarok's combat can stand toe to toe with the best of them
Markio128
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I think you may have jumped out of my circle here and into the land of wtf.
yurinka
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Go home, you're drunk. I don't know what happens with the clickbaity thread titles but please stop making them.
The games are masterpieces, specially the first one because it doesn't include 'diversity' filler portions. But it's ok if you don't ike some things.
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Horizon for starters , Assassins Creed , im sure i can find more , just give me time
DenchDeckard
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I enjoyed 2018 for what it was. Ragnarok is a bloated mess overall...with some great points, but they are too far and few between. I never want to play as another character in a GOW game and Loki was absolutely shite to play as.
Note to SSM, move on to somewhere cool and focus on kratos. Someone kill loki or something and have him go nuts again. he was a limp croaky mess in ragnarok and made me hate Chris Judges performance.
Note to SSM, move on to somewhere cool and focus on kratos. Someone kill loki or something and have him go nuts again. he was a limp croaky mess in ragnarok and made me hate Chris Judges performance.
We are all different and we all have different tastes, so a game that everyone would like in principle does not exist. And that's actually okay. I am a fan of the God of War series from the very first game, and I calmly play the new parts and do not think that there is something wrong with them. If we are talking about games within the same series, the game needs to change and provide something new to the player, otherwise we will play the same thing for years.
P.S - I consider Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild the most overrated game of all time and to be honest it almost killed the Zelda series for me, although I have been a fan of it since childhood. My favorite part is Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, which in my personal opinion is better than Breath of the Wild in every way.
P.S - I consider Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild the most overrated game of all time and to be honest it almost killed the Zelda series for me, although I have been a fan of it since childhood. My favorite part is Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, which in my personal opinion is better than Breath of the Wild in every way.
Ass of Can Whooping
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They don't. Maybe actually play the game
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SmokedMeat
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You could see the reactions in the New Game Plus announcement for Ragnarok. For a game that’s supposedly so incredible, a lot of people didn’t want to touch it again.
Modern God of War puts the focus on story, which is still good - but it’s not the same God of War many of us came to love years ago.
Modern God of War puts the focus on story, which is still good - but it’s not the same God of War many of us came to love years ago.
kyussman
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I haven't played Ragnarok but I enjoyed GOW for what it was....a modern video game.The adventure/combat/puzzle ratio of the old games was perfect,the new one I played didn't nail it the same.Just think of some of the parts from the very first GOW and how they would never be included in a modern game......way to hard,lol.The only difficult parts of the new GOW I played were optional content.
Not saying the new games have to be hard to be good,just that the tone of the older games combined with more challenging gameplay worked better for me given what the games were about.During my current time away from playing games I've kind of gone off the concept of cinematic games and I've played all the major Sony ones over the years(enjoyed them too).I want more inventive gameplay in my gaming future not more life like cut scenes with great voice acting.This is just how I feel right now......I'd much rather play the older GOW games at this moment than the new ones.
Not saying the new games have to be hard to be good,just that the tone of the older games combined with more challenging gameplay worked better for me given what the games were about.During my current time away from playing games I've kind of gone off the concept of cinematic games and I've played all the major Sony ones over the years(enjoyed them too).I want more inventive gameplay in my gaming future not more life like cut scenes with great voice acting.This is just how I feel right now......I'd much rather play the older GOW games at this moment than the new ones.
Marvel14
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MMaRsu
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So it gets a pass bwcause other games do it as well?
God of War new series is boring as fuck
JimmyRustler
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Other sequels usually mix things up with a change of location or do something else to make it feel different enough.
Also, GoW 2018 was already super long so the demand for bigger changes in the sequel is just natural.
The old RE and DMC or whatever do not really compare because those were all 8-10 hours games, so no problem if you get another ones just like it. GoW 2018 was like 30-40 hours already. Those games just need to do more in sequels fi you ask me.
Yoboman
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That's the narrative, I am talking about the gameplay elements
RAIDEN1
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So I am making my way through the 2018 reboot slowly but surely...doesn't quite have the hook for me as say Mass Effect did..and this is the first time ever I am getting into the series as I largely ignored it for the past 10-15 years its been around..it is okish so far....but still "on the fence" about it...
MMaRsu
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What about the gameplay is so good that its the best in modern gaming? The handholdy puzzle's? The walking talking cinematic mumbo jumbo? The battles in a small arena against a handful of enemies?
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