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[Nautilus]

He's got an agenda and he's literally demonstrating that here. Phil doesn't genuinely believe what he says and anybody with a brain doesn't either.

And the people at NPD, Famitsu, Media Create, european and professional analysts has an agenda too?

And again, he is the head of xbox, and of all the things to have an agenda on is.... to consider Nintendo a competitor? A fact as real as the air ever since Nintendo entered the videogame business? And rabbid fans of a Sony consoles, who are random users on a forum that probably never worked in the industry, are completely unbiased?

Lmao

 

[Crayon]

Oh, I seen Nintendo counts now. What happens to Sony the monopoly.

 

[Kerotan]

And the people at NPD, Famitsu, Media Create, european and professional analysts has an agenda too?

And again, he is the head of xbox, and of all the things to have an agenda on is.... to consider Nintendo a competitor? A fact as real as the air ever since Nintendo entered the videogame business? And rabbid fans of a Sony consoles, who are random users on a forum that probably never worked in the industry, are completely unbiased?

Lmao

When did those guys ever describe the switch as a traditional home console? Remind which previous traditional home consoles were portable with a screen attached?

 

[Kerotan]

Oh, I seen Nintendo counts now. What happens to Sony the monopoly.

Ask Nautilus bro. Apparently he fully agrees with these really smart MS exec's

 

[Nautilus]

When did those guys ever describe the switch as a traditional home console? Remind which previous traditional home consoles were portable with a screen attached?

When did they ever describe the Xbox and PS5 as traditional home consoles? When did they ever not describe the Switch as a console, the same as PS5 and Series?

 

[Nautilus]

Ask Nautilus bro. Apparently he fully agrees with these really smart MS exec's

And the people at NPD, Famitsu, Media Create, european and professional analysts has an agenda too?

And again, he is the head of xbox, and of all the things to have an agenda on is.... to consider Nintendo a competitor? A fact as real as the air ever since Nintendo entered the videogame business? And rabbid fans of a Sony consoles, who are random users on a forum that probably never worked in the industry, are completely unbiased?

Lmao

 

[Crayon]

And the people at NPD, Famitsu, Media Create, european and professional analysts has an agenda too?

And again, he is the head of xbox, and of all the things to have an agenda on is.... to consider Nintendo a competitor? A fact as real as the air ever since Nintendo entered the videogame business? And rabbid fans of a Sony consoles, who are random users on a forum that probably never worked in the industry, are completely unbiased?

Lmao

The point is you can't have it both ways. Either Sony rules the industry or Nintendo equally leaves you in the dust showing that it's nobody's incompetent fault but your own.

 

[Archaic101]

I'm an Xbox fan, but it's an interesting strategy to watch them tank their brand's entire image just so they can overpay for a franchise.

 

[Nautilus]

The point is you can't have it both ways. Either Sony rules the industry or Nintendo equally leaves you in the dust showing that it's nobody's incompetent fault but your own.

And I don't have a problem with that. Sonebody is gonna win or lose at some point. It was Sony that won the 8th and 6th gen. Nintendo is winning the 9th gen and they won the 7th gen, and Xbox had a lead for a while during the 7th gen.

But be stuck in this perpetual spot in space and time where your favorite plastic box HAS to be the winner at all times, so you have to create sub categories of sub categories so that you exclude all competition is... pathetic to put it lightly.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

With a PC you can play games of every gen.

 

[Tsaki]

Considering it's 16% 2021 sales I would say series only. For their 21% I would say it's all.

Oh I thought it was up to 2021. My bad

 

[Robb]

Hopefully they’ll keep performing poorly until I need to subscribe for 3 more years of GamePass.

They’re already starting with the price increases..

 

[crackajack]

So 16 to 21% or something? What do they expect that all 3 console makers have to have 33%, and the high end ones halving the pie exactly 50%, before they stop whining? Maybe because of Series S allowing MS some advantage because they compete in high end and crippled high end as well? Equality is unamerican and probably communist... lol
It's kinda surprisingly decent success coming from the desaster the Xbone imo was, and Zenimax and most of the other acquisitions hardly have taken effect in the exclusive game.
Gamepass will also really gain traction only after that happens. So 16% as the baseline before that even happens, is actually quite impressive and allowing ABK, even with some pretentious 10 year deal, could then shift it quite dramatically, imho too much if one doesn't ignore antitrust concerns.

 

[FritzJ92]

Like others have mentioned, MS getting trounced and dominated by the competition doesn't justify their anti competitive and anti consumer behaviour such as by buying their way into the market and taking away content from the majority of the consumers that own the other consoles.

It's extremely embarrassing for Microsoft that the trillion dollar company couldn't compete with the 2 smaller companies all these years in the gaming market. This is their four console generation and they are trying to act like the new kid in the block under dog.

Two smaller companies with many more years of gaming hardware and software experience and long established relationships.you can’t discount that Microsoft will make mistakes and struggle to find where they belong. Especially after the failure of xb1.

 

[Kerotan]

When did they ever describe the Xbox and PS5 as traditional home consoles? When did they ever not describe the Switch as a console, the same as PS5 and Series?

Why wouldn't they describe switch as a console? But when you're talking home consoles there's nothing traditional about it. Say what you want but you need to change the definition of traditional before you can disagree with me.

 

[Disco Dave]

Microsoft had zero problems crowing about the Xbox 360 dominance over Sony and Nintendo. I wonder what changed for this little startup from Redmond...

Today we announced that by extending the capabilities of the Xbox platform with Kinect and Xbox LIVE, Microsoft has “changed the tail” of the typical console lifecycle, showing dramatic gains in the fifth and sixth years of this generation. (see chart above)

In addition, we’ve released the following data points:

• Microsoft has now sold 55 million Xbox 360 consoles across 38 countries and sales are accelerating.
• Xbox 360 maintains its lead in the U.S. as the top selling console in 2011, and ten of the past eleven months.
• In the first four months of 2011, Xbox 360 has seen a 29 percent year over year increase in sales, which is more than triple the growth of PlayStation 3 and the largest growth of any console on the market.
• There are now nearly 35 million active Xbox LIVE members worldwide spending an average of almost 60 hours a month on the service.
• Cumulatively Xbox LIVE members are now logging 2.1 billion entertainment hours a month.

Sauce - https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2011/06/03/a-few-stats-before-we-head-into-e3/

 

[Kerotan]

And I don't have a problem with that. Sonebody is gonna win or lose at some point. It was Sony that won the 8th and 6th gen. Nintendo is winning the 9th gen and they won the 7th gen, and Xbox had a lead for a while during the 7th gen.

But be stuck in this perpetual spot in space and time where your favorite plastic box HAS to be the winner at all times, so you have to create sub categories of sub categories so that you exclude all competition is... pathetic to put it lightly.

If you've a problem with sub categories then mobile is king.

There are clear categories here.

1.Gaming
2.Consoles
3.Traditional home consoles (Xbox and playstation)
Non traditional portable (switch)

Nauty no matter what you say a console that looks like a handheld, plays like a handheld doesn't suddenly become a traditional home console like ps5 or Xbox just because it can be plugged Into your TV.

If the ps vita had a TV mode and I believe it could actually be connected to a TV with a workaround that wouldn't make it a traditional home console. That's crazy talk.

 

[yurinka]

What a monopoly!

 

[Nautilus]

Why wouldn't they describe switch as a console? But when you're talking home consoles there's nothing traditional about it. Say what you want but you need to change the definition of traditional before you can disagree with me.

Dude, you are the one who brought how the analysts describe Sony, MS and Nintendo consoles.

And this is something we don't have to especulate on. Just go to any NPD, Famitsu, Media Create, etc thread and see if they call the PS5, Series and Switch anything other than console.

 

[Nautilus]

If you've a problem with sub categories then mobile is king.

There are clear categories here.

1.Gaming
2.Consoles
3.Traditional home consoles (Xbox and playstation)
Non traditional portable (switch)

Nauty no matter what you say a console that looks like a handheld, plays like a handheld doesn't suddenly become a traditional home console like ps5 or Xbox just because it can be plugged Into your TV.

If the ps vita had a TV mode and I believe it could actually be connected to a TV with a workaround that wouldn't make it a traditional home console. That's crazy talk.

I'll just keep repeating the equivalent of a sales figure in this conversation, as facts can't be disputed:

"And the people at NPD, Famitsu, Media Create, european and professional analysts has an agenda too?

And again, he is the head of xbox, and of all the things to have an agenda on is.... to consider Nintendo a competitor? A fact as real as the air ever since Nintendo entered the videogame business? And rabbid fans of a Sony consoles, who are random users on a forum that probably never worked in the industry, are completely unbiased?"

 

[Hudo]

Let's use this metric, that actually matters. Instead of the Microsoftdick energy lies.

https://newzoo.com/resources/rankings/top-25-companies-game-revenues

1.	Tencent	$7,338M	00%
2.	Sony	$5,410M	00%
3.	Apple	$4,234M	00%
4.	Microsoft	$3,497M	00%
5.	NetEase	$2,536M	00%
6.	Google	$2,720M	00%
7.	Electronic Arts	$1,881M	00%
8.	Activision Blizzard	$2,079M	00%
9.	Nintendo	$2,364M	00%
10.	Take-Two Interactive	$1,231M	00%

Wait. Tencent is clearly worth more than ten cents. I kinda feel duped.

 

[Kerotan]

I'll just keep repeating the equivalent of a sales figure in this conversation, as facts can't be disputed:

"And the people at NPD, Famitsu, Media Create, european and professional analysts has an agenda too?

And again, he is the head of xbox, and of all the things to have an agenda on is.... to consider Nintendo a competitor? A fact as real as the air ever since Nintendo entered the videogame business? And rabbid fans of a Sony consoles, who are random users on a forum that probably never worked in the industry, are completely unbiased?"

Facts can't be disputed you're right. Switch isn't a traditional home console.

 

[Nautilus]

Facts can't be disputed you're right. Switch isn't a traditional home console.

Exactly, like people that actually spend a career on this, and has stakes on saying this, contrary to some forum dwellers, the Switch is as much a console as anyone.

Its cute seeing you try making yourself as important as NPD, Famitsu or Phil Spencer.

 

[PaNaMa]

Does anybody here actually believe MS buying Activision somehow seals Sony and Nintendo's fate? Does this acquisition make Microsoft an unstoppable uncatchable force in the console space? At 16% Marketshare this would barely move the needle. It could even backfire. I'm platform agnostic here, and this whole thing is a bunch of bullshit if you ask me. Sony has the all the best internal studios, and Sony has the most exclusives you cannot play anywhere else, and Sony pays developers like Square not to release certain 3rd party games on Xbox. Sony is where it is due to exclusivity deals and 1st party studios, acquired or internally fostered. And kudos to them, business is business. Does anyone not see through the hypocrisy here?

COD is experiencing fatigue and has been for years. I'm sure it's still a billion dollar+ line item somewhere, but I'd love to see a poll about what percentage of us still give any actual fucks about COD. Wow has been in sharp decline for a decade and no longer has the mindshare or whatever it once did... and how's Overwatch 2 doing on the money making side? How much have y'all spend on Diablo micro transactions? I'm not saying Activision Blizzard deal isn't worth it to MS but... is it tho?

So on the one hand I think the whole fucking argument against this deal is bogus contrived hypocritical bullshit. And on the other hand, I almost hope it does fail cause I don't really see it as a great move for Xbox.

 

[DryvBy]

Why are they adding Nintendo to the chart?
What a scummy way to make yourself look small

Especially when Nintendo isn't even a competitor they previously claimed.

 

[mopspear]

I'm still buying a new Xbox someday, for the sole reason of playing Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts and Lost Odyssey. I might not use it for anything else.

 

[GHG]

I'm still buying a new Xbox someday, for the sole reason of playing Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts and Lost Odyssey. I might not use it for anything else.

If you have a PC both work fantastically well on xenia.

 

[Shane89]

 

[NickFire]

They better start praying this thing goes through.

They are laying out material that they will be trolled with for years with nothing to show for it.

Claiming they lost the console war had me cracking up. Some of the Twitter fellas must have felt like the soldiers stuck on islands after WW2 who went years thinking the war was still going.

 

[Luminoth-4545]

So we can use some algebra to figure out Xbox Series sales for 2021 now right?

From Nintendo's and Sony's financial reports calendar year 2021 sales were 23.67 million for Switch, 12.8 million for PS5 and 1.9 million for PS4. So 38.37 million divided by 84 times 16 = 7.31 million for Xbox. Because Xbox One was discontinued worldwide in 2020 then these are all Xbox series sales. This is assuming the 16% share is based on unit sales.

2021

NSW 23.67m (51.8%)
PS5 12.80m (28%)
XBS 7.31m (16%)
PS4 1.90m (4.2%)

 

[Majukun]

what's driving the revenue if they are not selling consoles? gamepass?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Wait. Tencent is clearly worth more than ten cents. I kinda feel duped.

Wait until I tell you about my boy fiddy!

 

[Aika'svyse]

High revenues and millions of consoles ahead of Xbox360 at this point with big games coming is a win to me.

 

[Lunarorbit]

i hate my series x so much it's unreal

Why is that? I'm mostly playing older games on my ps5 so you're not missing much on that system

 

[SlimySnake]

what's driving the revenue if they are not selling consoles? gamepass?

They still have CoD, GTA, Fortnite and many other online games that bring in billions in revenue that they get a 30% cut of. Not to mention all the big third party games that Nintendo simply doesnt have.

XBox Live still has around 25 million subscribers. thats over $1.5 billion a year. Again, nintendo even with their new plan doesnt even come close because they dont have the yearly cod or battlefield or destiny to get people hooked and paying $60 a year for an online sub.

gamepass had 18 million monthly subs that year. At $10 a pop, thats over $2 billion in revenue.

 

[Gudji]

Poor MS CMA didn't act right.

 

[SlimySnake]

Does anybody here actually believe MS buying Activision somehow seals Sony and Nintendo's fate? Does this acquisition make Microsoft an unstoppable uncatchable force in the console space? At 16% Marketshare this would barely move the needle. It could even backfire. I'm platform agnostic here, and this whole thing is a bunch of bullshit if you ask me. Sony has the all the best internal studios, and Sony has the most exclusives you cannot play anywhere else, and Sony pays developers like Square not to release certain 3rd party games on Xbox. Sony is where it is due to exclusivity deals and 1st party studios, acquired or internally fostered. And kudos to them, business is business. Does anyone not see through the hypocrisy here?

COD is experiencing fatigue and has been for years. I'm sure it's still a billion dollar+ line item somewhere, but I'd love to see a poll about what percentage of us still give any actual fucks about COD. Wow has been in sharp decline for a decade and no longer has the mindshare or whatever it once did... and how's Overwatch 2 doing on the money making side? How much have y'all spend on Diablo micro transactions? I'm not saying Activision Blizzard deal isn't worth it to MS but... is it tho?

So on the one hand I think the whole fucking argument against this deal is bogus contrived hypocritical bullshit. And on the other hand, I almost hope it does fail cause I don't really see it as a great move for Xbox.

It's 16% marketshare if you include Nintendo which has been irrelevant for more than a decade when it comes to CoD. I believe blops 2 was the last cod to release on a Nintendo console.

So if you are discussing the impact an exclusive CoD would have, you have to remove the switch sales from the picture. PS5's revenue and Xbox's revenue that year add up to $40 billion. All of a sudden, that 16% split becomes a 60-40 split. Remove cod from playstation and its an immediate shift. 55% of console players play cod. more than half. If playstation loses even half of that userbase, their entire revenue stream gets cut by 30% on day one, and then they will start to see slower spending everywhere because of the domino effect. those cod players might also play gta online, destiny, battlefield, and apex and now they wont be in the ps ecosystem which will cost sony billions forcing Sony to downgrade their business which means fewer AAA exclusives, cheaper consoles a la Nintendo, and fewer studios meaning they either shut them down or sell them to the competition.

 

[kingkenny76]

What postion where they in in the 360 era?

 

[mckmas8808]

From Nintendo's and Sony's financial reports calendar year 2021 sales were 23.67 million for Switch, 12.8 million for PS5 and 1.9 million for PS4. So 38.37 million divided by 84 times 16 = 7.31 million for Xbox. Because Xbox One was discontinued worldwide in 2020 then these are all Xbox series sales. This is assuming the 16% share is based on unit sales.

2021

NSW 23.67m (51.8%)
PS5 12.80m (28%)
XBS 7.31m (16%)
PS4 1.90m (4.2%)

Thanks bro! Now the next question we need to ask and answer is did MS give any indication if 2022 sales we lower or higher than 2021 and by how much.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Poor MS CMA didn't act right.

They should have went after them to butter them up like they did with DF.

 

[PaNaMa]

It's 16% marketshare if you include Nintendo which has been irrelevant for more than a decade when it comes to CoD. I believe blops 2 was the last cod to release on a Nintendo console.

So if you are discussing the impact an exclusive CoD would have, you have to remove the switch sales from the picture. PS5's revenue and Xbox's revenue that year add up to $40 billion. All of a sudden, that 16% split becomes a 60-40 split. Remove cod from playstation and its an immediate shift. 55% of console players play cod. more than half. If playstation loses even half of that userbase, their entire revenue stream gets cut by 30% on day one, and then they will start to see slower spending everywhere because of the domino effect. those cod players might also play gta online, destiny, battlefield, and apex and now they wont be in the ps ecosystem which will cost sony billions forcing Sony to downgrade their business which means fewer AAA exclusives, cheaper consoles a la Nintendo, and fewer studios meaning they either shut them down or sell them to the competition.

But they won't lose the player base. Jim himself said he knows this. It's not about that and he said as much.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

what's driving the revenue if they are not selling consoles? gamepass?

MTX is my guess. When Sony was still doing artisanal single player games Xbox was pioneering with Microsoft points.

We should not underestimate the brand they have the American dude bro audience locked in.

 

[Lasha]

what's driving the revenue if they are not selling consoles? gamepass?

Services and game sales.

 

[mckmas8808]

Does anybody here actually believe MS buying Activision somehow seals Sony and Nintendo's fate? Does this acquisition make Microsoft an unstoppable uncatchable force in the console space? At 16% Marketshare this would barely move the needle. It could even backfire. I'm platform agnostic here, and this whole thing is a bunch of bullshit if you ask me. Sony has the all the best internal studios, and Sony has the most exclusives you cannot play anywhere else, and Sony pays developers like Square not to release certain 3rd party games on Xbox. Sony is where it is due to exclusivity deals and 1st party studios, acquired or internally fostered. And kudos to them, business is business. Does anyone not see through the hypocrisy here?

COD is experiencing fatigue and has been for years. I'm sure it's still a billion dollar+ line item somewhere, but I'd love to see a poll about what percentage of us still give any actual fucks about COD. Wow has been in sharp decline for a decade and no longer has the mindshare or whatever it once did... and how's Overwatch 2 doing on the money making side? How much have y'all spend on Diablo micro transactions? I'm not saying Activision Blizzard deal isn't worth it to MS but... is it tho?

So on the one hand I think the whole fucking argument against this deal is bogus contrived hypocritical bullshit. And on the other hand, I almost hope it does fail cause I don't really see it as a great move for Xbox.

Do you honestly believe that buying a few games to be exclusive is the same as buying multiple publishers and over 15 developer houses?

But they won't lose the player base. Jim himself said he knows this. It's not about that and he said as much.

Why are yall not understanding what that Jim Ryan email actually was saying and what the point of it was? He was hyping up the Sony employees so that they wouldn't feel like everything was over. Plus, this is how he felt BEFORE negotiations with Phil and MS were done. Once he saw what Phil was probably going to do with COD, we changed his tune. And he changed his tune publicly.

 

[N30RYU]

Ms doesn't see the problem other than they should buy the FTC first

 

[mopspear]

If you have a PC both work fantastically well on xenia.

You sir, are a hero. I'm really into emulation but I wasn't even aware there was a 360 emulator.

 

[GHG]

You sir, are a hero. I'm really into emulation but I wasn't even aware there was a 360 emulator.

LO in particular runs beautifully. Played through it again the other month, it scrubs up really well in native 4k.

 

[Luminoth-4545]

Thanks bro! Now the next question we need to ask and answer is did MS give any indication if 2022 sales we lower or higher than 2021 and by how much.

I don't know, i remember them saying in at mid point in 2022 that it was selling faster than any Xbox console launched aligned and then nothing from them at the end of the year which means that sales tailed off and we know this from NPD sales. Leaked NPD sales revealed XBox series was selling great in the first half of 2022 but then having very poor sales in the second half of 2022.