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[Bernoulli]

This is good news if the USA ban on GPU is making the competition grow faster.

Huawei was the best in the field with their smartphones kirin chipsets, they were years ahead of the competition before getting shut down by the US ban

I'm looking forward to more competition to AMD, NVIDIA and Intel we really need it

Liu claimed that they are working with other Chinese AI solutions providers. With them, Huawei has now developed a GPU whose capabilities in AI performance are on par with NVIDIA's A100 GPU. No specific numbers or specifications are provided for this GPU but it is said that the hardware will be very capable and can run large language models such as GPT-3 and GPT-4 with lots of performance at hand.

At the moment, the NVIDIA A100 is only the second-best AI GPU on the market with the top spot going to the Hopper H100 which is in huge demand. The A100 offers 624 TOPs of INT8 compute while the H100 offers 2000 TOPs. If the claim is true, then it is possible that the Chinese market might shift some of its AI demand to domestic GPUs but that remains to be seen. China is one of the largest consumers of AI GPUs from NVIDIA where chips are being sold for huge profits due to incredibly strong demand.

Chinese AI Company Claims Huawei AI GPUs Are On Par With NVIDIA A100, Will Compete With GPT-4 LLM In 2024

A Chinese AI firm has said that Huawei has AI GPUs that are on par with NVIDIA's A100 & they will have an LLM that competes with GPT-4.

wccftech.com

 

[gokurho]

They can not use TSMC/Samsung process.
How do they make their chip ?

 

[shamoomoo]

They can not use TSMC/Samsung process.
How do they make their chip ?

As they saying goes,"if there's a will, that's a way." Shell companies paying way more for the same wafer or slightly out of date manufacturing nodes.

 

[winjer]

Remember when a few months ago a Chinese tech firm claimed they were making CPUs as fast as Intel and AMD, but then it turned out those CPUs were just Intel CPUs rebranded by that firm.
China has lied plenty of times about their tech capabilities.
I really doubt that Huawei has made GPUs for AI that are as fast as nvidia's best.

 

[Miyazaki’s Slave]

They can not use TSMC/Samsung process.
How do they make their chip ?

What do you mean?

Just because they are "banned" from access to those technologies doesn't mean they can cannot just reproduce the facilities. If they have worked with, or had access to, those technologies in the past a "stern warning" from the US isn't going to stop them from reproducing and improving upon the process.

 

[winjer]

What do you mean?

Just because they are "banned" from access to those technologies doesn't mean they can cannot just reproduce the facilities. If they have worked with, or had access to, those technologies in the past a "stern warning" from the US isn't going to stop them from reproducing and improving upon the process.

China does not have access to ASML's lithography machines, especially the UV ones.
Without these, it's almost impossible to go to 7nm and lower with decent yields.

 

[Insane Metal]

Oh, they claim

Ok then

 

[Spyxos]

This is good news if the USA ban on GPU is making the competition grow faster.

Huawei was the best in the field with their smartphones kirin chipsets, they were years ahead of the competition before getting shut down by the US ban

I'm looking forward to more competition to AMD, NVIDIA and Intel we really need it

Chinese AI Company Claims Huawei AI GPUs Are On Par With NVIDIA A100, Will Compete With GPT-4 LLM In 2024

A Chinese AI firm has said that Huawei has AI GPUs that are on par with NVIDIA's A100 & they will have an LLM that competes with GPT-4.

wccftech.com

This all sounds very unbelievable.

This is currently the fastest Chinese graphics card. And it is significantly slower than a 1060 6Gb.

 

[DaleinCalgary]

As they saying goes,"if there's a will, that's a way." Shell companies paying way more for the same wafer or slightly out of date manufacturing nodes.

I'll disagree with this. Those machines used in the fabs are very complicated and difficult to make. You can't just will yourself technology. My past experience in Taiwan fabs tell me that the people there just use the technology and they don't develop much. China would be even less so. All the machinery is western developed and made.

 

[ParaSeoul]

Huawei's kirin chips were not the best on their field,they were definitely up there as far as something not made by Qualcomm could be.

 

[LazyParrot]

Doubt (X)

As they saying goes,"if there's a will, that's a way." Shell companies paying way more for the same wafer or slightly out of date manufacturing nodes.

Doubt here too. There is literally only a single company on this planet that can supply the necessary equipment. They don't sell a whole lot of it and you can be damn sure they know exactly where every single unit is at any given moment.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

I'm looking forward to more competition to AMD, NVIDIA and Intel we really need it

Yes, we need a company being a front for a totalitarian regime succeeding.

 

[HawarMiran]

Yes, we need a company being a front for a totalitarian regime succeeding.

better than a warmongering and invading country

 

[Kilau]

better than a warmongering and invading country

Yeah but I don’t think Russia is doing much in the chip GPU AI sector.

 

[HawarMiran]

Yeah but I don’t think Russia is doing much in the chip GPU AI sector.

I was talking about a different country

 

[bbeach123]

Nothing cant be solve by slapping more chips on "one" gpu I guess , and its compete with A100 , not H100 .

 

[Leo9]

Even if it's true Nvidia will introduce Blackwell at 3 nm next year. Ampere will be 2 generations behind by then.

 

[Red5]

Remember when China was begging the Soviets for Nuclear weapons technology then the Sino Soviet split happened and the Soviets refused? The Chinese managed on their own. It will take time but they have the experience, institutions and knowledge as well as reverse engineering skills to achieve their goals. They're dumping a shit ton of money in this and the US is scrambling to tighten the noose.

Yeah but I don’t think Russia is doing much in the chip GPU AI sector.

Funny enough it wasn't the Russians that invaded my neck of the woods, but let's not derail.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

I was talking about a different country

If you equate USA and China I don’t know what to tell you. Actually I do, but the gif will probably cost me a week ban.

 

[willothedog]

China does not have access to ASML's lithography machines, especially the UV ones.
Without these, it's almost impossible to go to 7nm and lower with decent yields.

They will do when they 'aquire' Taiwan.

 

[winjer]

They will do when they 'aquire' Taiwan.

When pigs fly...

 

[Ozriel]

Huawei was the best in the field with their smartphones kirin chipsets, they were years ahead of the competition before getting shut down by the US ban

They weren’t better than the flagship Snapdragons, let alone ‘years ahead’. And nobody comes close to Apple.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

The Chinese claim a lot of things.

 

[Hudo]

Nice but the reason why nVidia are a defacto monopoly in the AI-card market is also due to their CUDA ecosystem. Unless Huawei have something similar, they will have a steep uphill battle.

 

[Buggy Loop]

What do you mean?

Just because they are "banned" from access to those technologies doesn't mean they can cannot just reproduce the facilities. If they have worked with, or had access to, those technologies in the past a "stern warning" from the US isn't going to stop them from reproducing and improving upon the process.

China is way way way behind in foundries

To just have one pop up that competes with TSMC out of the blue is just not possible.

They don’t even have access to ASML, find me an alternative to ASML?

It’s typical Chinese flex without the backup

It’s probably the kind of bench where they dedicated everything to ML and it beat the A100 into a very specific condition and they claimed victory. Like being proud that a dragster beats a McLaren P1 on the straight.

 

[simpatico]

This all sounds very unbelievable.

This is currently the fastest Chinese graphics card. And it is significantly slower than a 1060 6Gb.

They're going to iterate quickly. TBH, I'm rooting for them. The AMD and Nvidia collusion needs to stop. Maybe this could help with that.

 

[Tarin02543]

saddam used a ps2 for missile guidance, just saying

 

[Spyxos]

They're going to iterate quickly. TBH, I'm rooting for them. The AMD and Nvidia collusion needs to stop. Maybe this could help with that.

How's that supposed to work? They're technically incapable of doing that.

 

[simpatico]

How's that supposed to work? They're technically incapable of doing that.

It's highly unlikely, but is there a better ray of hope in the market?

 

[nkarafo]

Call me old fashioned or close minded but i will never trust any technology or design that comes from China.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

This is good news if the USA ban on GPU is making the competition grow faster.

Huawei was the best in the field with their smartphones kirin chipsets, they were years ahead of the competition before getting shut down by the US ban

I'm looking forward to more competition to AMD, NVIDIA and Intel we really need it

Chinese AI Company Claims Huawei AI GPUs Are On Par With NVIDIA A100, Will Compete With GPT-4 LLM In 2024

A Chinese AI firm has said that Huawei has AI GPUs that are on par with NVIDIA's A100 & they will have an LLM that competes with GPT-4.

wccftech.com

I dont follow smartphones, but I remeber hearing when Huawei phones were promoted a lot years back, they were good quality phones at a good price.

But the ban was due to Canada and US claiming the phones had spy chips in it or some shit. I remember articles where someone would zoom in on the chipset and point to a microscopic bit of metal and claim that's the spy part. lol. Who the fuck knows.

 

[Spyxos]

It's highly unlikely, but is there a better ray of hope in the market?

Intel is your best hope.

 

[winjer]

Intel is your best hope.

Intel also uses ALSM's machines.

 

[Spyxos]

Intel also uses ALSM's machines.

I meant more that there is more competition with Intel for the graphics cards market.

 

[Bernoulli]

I dont follow smartphones, but I remeber hearing when Huawei phones were promoted a lot years back, they were good quality phones at a good price.

But the ban was due to Canada and US claiming the phones had spy chips in it or some shit. I remember articles where someone would zoom in on the chipset and point to a microscopic bit of metal and claim that's the spy part. lol. Who the fuck knows.

That's what they claimed but it was never proved

They say the USA banned them because they became a competitor to apple
They were revolutionary in the camera hardware too and pushed the market forward
They still make good phones but you can't have Google services on them

 

[Days like these...]

Huawei to restart 5G mobile chip output as early as this year

Chinese tech giant lost access to global chipmaking partners in 2020

asia.nikkei.com

 

[Reallink]

What do you mean?

Just because they are "banned" from access to those technologies doesn't mean they can cannot just reproduce the facilities. If they have worked with, or had access to, those technologies in the past a "stern warning" from the US isn't going to stop them from reproducing and improving upon the process.

Cutting edge foundaries and the machines inside them are the most advanced technology mankind currently possess, the actual process is literal scifi shit. It would take decades (plural) for someone starting at nothing to make the chips inside your toaster. Even the competing companies that were doing it for decades (Glofo and Intel) can't do it. China most definitely can't just "make their own" on a whim? LOL

 

[Drew1440]

This is good news if the USA ban on GPU is making the competition grow faster.

Huawei was the best in the field with their smartphones kirin chipsets, they were years ahead of the competition before getting shut down by the US ban

No they weren't, Apple and Qualcomm have always lead with mobile SoC's. Huawei couldn't even keep up with Mediatek.

 

[HawarMiran]

If you equate USA and China I don’t know what to tell you. Actually I do, but the gif will probably cost me a week ban.

Where are you from? If you are an US citizen, then your arguments are for the bin anyway.

 

[Fabieter]

That's what they claimed but it was never proved

They say the USA banned them because they became a competitor to apple
They were revolutionary in the camera hardware too and pushed the market forward
They still make good phones but you can't have Google services on them

It was the same with

Lessons from History: The 1980s Semiconductor Cycle(s)

Japan and overcapacity. A new series on cycles to gain insight into today's semiconductor market.

www.fabricatedknowledge.com

And

Volkswagen emissions scandal - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

VW was about to become by far the biggest Player in the automobile sector. It was proven afterwards that every manufacturer had faked their emission tests but for the us it was only important that vw did it. No one should fool themselves that any of the big economys are etter than another one.

I dont trust China at all but I dont trust russia and the us either. It is what it is.

 

[Vognerful]

How's that supposed to work? They're technically incapable of doing that.

Shout out to one of my favorite channels

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Where are you from? If you are an US citizen, then your arguments are for the bin anyway.

Best country in the world:

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Yes, we need a company being a front for a totalitarian regime succeeding.

Couldn't help yourself eh

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Couldn't help yourself eh

 

[Dream-Knife]

Highly unlikely.

Probably chinese propaganda.

 

[daffyduck]

Huawei can pound silicon.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Huawei are notorious for openly stealing Cisco IP and selling basically identical clones for cheap and nearly driving Cisco to bankruptcy. Ever since then Huawei had a target on their backs, the whole 5G spy hardware shit was just an excuse to finally get payback.

Huawei probably just stole the IP for Ampere and will make basically identical clones using their shady front companies to buy semiconductor capacity. Nvidia will have no recourse just as Cisco didn't because you can't tell the government of China to stop stealing.

 

[SABRE220]

While I hope its true, I really doubt it though. Honestly, the US basically threw a hissy fit when they saw the Chinese companies competing and advancing a little too well for their liking and basically said no one in the class can play with China anymore. Increased competition in the world market is sorely needed and I don't care if it's from China otherwise the mega firms that have basically cemented their place as the defacto choice will keep throwing around their influence with prejudice.

That being said, there is almost zero chance they are matching nvidia on their intial outing. Nvidia has decades of research and development that got them where they are today, Huawei simply dont have the capacity to match that in such a short time. Even if they managed to steal ips and confidential r&d info they simply dont have access to the leading foundries around the world. I dont doubt they will eventually make ground as they have in most fields but at this point its almost impossible.

 

[Laieon]

Call me old fashioned or close minded but i will never trust any technology or design that comes from China.

I trust their food designs.

 

[StereoVsn]

China does not have access to ASML's lithography machines, especially the UV ones.
Without these, it's almost impossible to go to 7nm and lower with decent yields.

I think SMIC has some sort of 7nm process. So could be that plus chiplet design. They probably have a lot of errors and a lot of failure on the node but Chinese government is throwing a lot of money at them so....

That said, have some doubts about performance claims here.