Killjoy-NL
Member
Does there need to be a benefit over other devices?
It's an accessory for those who're interested.
Nothing more, nothing less.
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It's an accessory for those who're interested.
Nothing more, nothing less.
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
It has its benefits and people mentioned them in this thread, what are you talking about?
Dick Jones
Gold Member
Haptics and triggers. More comfortable controls along with not killing your mobile's battery. The main thing that this has dropped the ball on is streaming with PS+ Premium.
Killjoy-NL
Member
I know, but that wasn't my point.
The benefits people mentioned are the same reason I pre-ordered it.
My question was if it even matters? Especially since it's pretty obvious what the benefits are.
ComboBongo
Neo Member
I think people are missing the point on the basic convenience of picking this thing up and playing it. Rather than, pulling a laptop out and running remote play from there, or attaching a backbone to a phone etc (which I don't want as I don't want my phone out of action while playing games). I want a dedicated device to pick up and play away from my console. Sure, cloud streaming should be an option but I'll mostly be using this at home anyway. I don't get why some people can't comprehend the use case.
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
Benefits were not obvious to someone like me, who didn't follow this device like at all. That's why I've asked and nice people provides some good feedback. Your post adds nothing but thanks anyway, I guess.
Killjoy-NL
Member
It's literally a Dualsense with a screen slapped onto it.
Designed specifically for Remote Play.
If you know what a tv screen, a DualSense and Remote Play are, it's self explanatory.
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Roxkis_ii
Member
Man, I've been really trying out remote play this week. Finally figured out how to get it to use my local connection instead of over the internet. (you have to connect, then disconnect (leave the console on), then connect again.)
It's still not good enough to play any game that requires timing. It's a slit second of lag, but it's super apparent to me. I think this device is too early. Remote play is not good enough yet imo.
It's still not good enough to play any game that requires timing. It's a slit second of lag, but it's super apparent to me. I think this device is too early. Remote play is not good enough yet imo.
ComboBongo
Neo Member
It's fine on a decent network. Some people can't even perceive the latency.
Giallo Corsa
Member
What we still don't know is how this thing connects/streams from the PS5, there's been various rumours about "super-duper low latency®" which...we still don't know whether is pure PR bullshit or, if the portal connects directly to the PS5 (direct connection like the Vita).
Also, Sony is making a shit job at promoting this since there's many misconceptions about this product :
-They emphasized about it being playable "in your home (network)" - so, again, is this thing gonna be establishing a direct connection to the PS5 OR the friggin' internet ? Cause if it's the latter you can sure as hell connect from...pretty much anywhere where there's internet available, heck, even hot-spotting from your phone would be technically feasible.
Maybe they're promoting the "home network thing" as to have the thing run better and make a better impression compared to a phone's hot-spot connection or - say - an airport wi-fi connection ?
- They really need to emphasize that this is a streaming device and nothing else 'cause believe you me, come Xmas there's going to be lots of (angry) Moms/Dads returning this to Gamestop/Wallmart etc thinking that it's a portable PS5.
Rox, lova ya bro but...something tells me it's your home network.
- what's your connection speed ? Are you on a congested channel ? 2.4 GHz or 5GHz ?
- Is your PS5 hardwired or on wi-fi ?
- What device are you streaming to ? Is it on 2.4GHz or 5 ? What Wi-fi protocols does it use ?
That's the thing with streaming, there's just too many variables...
On my set-up (PS5 hardwired, 1Gbps connection*, Tablet that supports wi-fi 6 speeds on a 5GHz channel) the remote play quality is friggin' sublime especially when it comes to the input-lag, it's almost indistinguishable from native play, i know that it sounds hyperbolic but it really has gotten much better compared to the Remote play of yore, that's why i said that right now, it's only second to GeForce Now.
Again, i don't know whether Sony did something on their end or whether my tablet's wi-fi 6 is the differentiating factor (or both) but...
Now, if someone only plays super-competitive online games like COD/Halo/SF5-6 where every ms counts then yes, RP isn't going to help, for all the rest though it's really getting there.
your mileage may always vary obviously depending on network quality , channel congestion, 2.4 vs 5 GHz, wi-fi antennas of the device in use (i.e : phone/tablet) etc etc
Also, Sony is making a shit job at promoting this since there's many misconceptions about this product :
-They emphasized about it being playable "in your home (network)" - so, again, is this thing gonna be establishing a direct connection to the PS5 OR the friggin' internet ? Cause if it's the latter you can sure as hell connect from...pretty much anywhere where there's internet available, heck, even hot-spotting from your phone would be technically feasible.
Maybe they're promoting the "home network thing" as to have the thing run better and make a better impression compared to a phone's hot-spot connection or - say - an airport wi-fi connection ?
- They really need to emphasize that this is a streaming device and nothing else 'cause believe you me, come Xmas there's going to be lots of (angry) Moms/Dads returning this to Gamestop/Wallmart etc thinking that it's a portable PS5.
Rox, lova ya bro but...something tells me it's your home network.
- what's your connection speed ? Are you on a congested channel ? 2.4 GHz or 5GHz ?
- Is your PS5 hardwired or on wi-fi ?
- What device are you streaming to ? Is it on 2.4GHz or 5 ? What Wi-fi protocols does it use ?
That's the thing with streaming, there's just too many variables...
On my set-up (PS5 hardwired, 1Gbps connection*, Tablet that supports wi-fi 6 speeds on a 5GHz channel) the remote play quality is friggin' sublime especially when it comes to the input-lag, it's almost indistinguishable from native play, i know that it sounds hyperbolic but it really has gotten much better compared to the Remote play of yore, that's why i said that right now, it's only second to GeForce Now.
Again, i don't know whether Sony did something on their end or whether my tablet's wi-fi 6 is the differentiating factor (or both) but...
Now, if someone only plays super-competitive online games like COD/Halo/SF5-6 where every ms counts then yes, RP isn't going to help, for all the rest though it's really getting there.
your mileage may always vary obviously depending on network quality , channel congestion, 2.4 vs 5 GHz, wi-fi antennas of the device in use (i.e : phone/tablet) etc etc
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Roxkis_ii
Member
My PS5 is hardwired to my asus router kicking out 5Gz wifi 6 to my laptop. (max wifi signal on they laptop). I don't think the connection is saturatrated, as I haven't had any issues with anything else.
I guess I could try a network cable to my laptop, or getting a gigabit router (not really worth it without gigabit internet) to hardwire my Playstation to, but the fact that is even a conderation is going to mean it's alot people who will buy this device are going to have a bad time.
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Roxkis_ii
Member
Do you think you could play a game on hard via remote play?
LordBritish
Member
the real question is is it hackable so I can run emulation on it
Drizzlehell
Banned
From what I'm reading this thing not only looks butt-ugly but it's also extremely limited in what it can do:
- short battery life (no surprise there considering how ass the Dual Sense batteries are)
- low quality LCD screen
- can only stream directly from a paired console, i.e. no streaming from PS Plus cloud which should be like a no-brainer for a concept like this (good job Sony, lol)
- no bluetooth, which means you'll have to buy dedicated headphones that cost extra $$
- no local processing, designed solely with streaming games from your console in mind, so if you want to hack it for emulation then you might as well go for an older and much cheaper OLED Vita or literally any other handheld console that's 1000x better than this piece of shit
So, in summary, it's a 200 dollar tablet that isn't even good at what it was supposed to be doing.
It's jaw-dropping that anyone actually wanted to buy this, not to mention being hyped for it, lol.
- short battery life (no surprise there considering how ass the Dual Sense batteries are)
- low quality LCD screen
- can only stream directly from a paired console, i.e. no streaming from PS Plus cloud which should be like a no-brainer for a concept like this (good job Sony, lol)
- no bluetooth, which means you'll have to buy dedicated headphones that cost extra $$
- no local processing, designed solely with streaming games from your console in mind, so if you want to hack it for emulation then you might as well go for an older and much cheaper OLED Vita or literally any other handheld console that's 1000x better than this piece of shit
So, in summary, it's a 200 dollar tablet that isn't even good at what it was supposed to be doing.
It's jaw-dropping that anyone actually wanted to buy this, not to mention being hyped for it, lol.
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Giallo Corsa
Member
Well, from what you wrote brother you know what you're doing so I'm gonna leave it at that
Regarding the Gigabit connection now, I mentioned that I have one (which is also kinda unstable since it's a FWA one) - not that it's needed since RP requires around 15-20Mbps (IIRC), that's why I also mentioned channel congestion...
It's a crapshoot apparently...
Personally, I've tried these set-ups :
- OnePlus Nord 5G (2020) : Android 12, BT 5.1, supports Wi-fi 5, there's macro blocking and the image also breaks up frequently depending of how far i'm from my TP-Link Archer AX53 Wi-fi 6 router. Perceivable input lag which feels less than 0.5 secs
Literally unplayable due to button configuration on the Dualsense being all kinds of fooked up.
Status : unplayable (with a Dualsense).
- Ipad 2017 : supports wi-fi 5 (i think ? dunno, it's my girlfriend's), BT 4.2, the image doesn't break up as frequently (?) but again, things start going to shit the further i get from my router (obviously).
input-lag is fine and the controls also support haptic feedback.
Status : very playable
- Samsung galaxy Tab S9+ (2023) : Android 13, supports Wi-fi 6, less perceivable macro blocking, image quality is stable as fook with no break ups whatsoever no matter where i'm using it.You start streaming/playing at 1080/60fps, it stays at 1080/60fps.
Again, I tested it the other day on my 4K Samsung via USB C to HDMI adapter which sits 3 rooms away from my router and the experience was the SAME both image-quality and input-quality wise.
Dualsense works properly but with no haptic feedback (only vibration).
Status : Super playable, super enjoyable.
Sure, Ghost of Tsushima isn't the most twitchy game ever and its controls are very lenient but Demon's souls, Returnal and Wanted: Dead on the other hand are not, and yet, the input lag was so friggin' low that i almost couldn't perceive it (i did 'cause i'm a geek/nerd like most peeps in here).
When i say that they were perfectly playable i mean it.
Heck, i've been trying streaming services and solutions for more than a decade now and the state of Remote Play right now has got nothing to do with what it was - i'll have to mention again that i don't know whether Sony upgraded some things on their end or whether Wi-fi 6 does really make all this difference (or both) but i'm actually pleasantly surprised for once.
Besides the Wi-fi 6 thing and whether a PS5 is hardwired or not, maybe a device's Bluetooth chip should also be taken into consideration when it comes to the input-lag, this is why i hope that the portal will support BT 5.3 and Wi-fi 6.
You're absolutely right though that many people (the majority i'd say) will have a bad time IF this gadget connects through wifi only that is - which tells me that Sony may have a trick up its sleeve by using a direct connection to the PS5, i mean, they must have thought of this problem, right ? Right ?
Guess we'll have to wait and see, cheers
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midnightAI
Member
Ok, I'll rise to the bait
For a start, who says it has a low quality LCD screen? or are you just assuming because its LCD its low quality?
Streaming for cloud isnt there yet, doesnt mean it wont happen at some point though, but its primary use is to remote play the PS5
You can use wired headphones (so no, you dont have to buy dedicated ones, but yes, this is perhaps the only down side I can think of for me personally, but not a huge deal as I can use my headphones still)
No local processing, correct, its a PS5 accessory
Battery life, meh, its as good as Switch or Steam Deck (better perhaps)
So in summary, its very good a what its supposed to be doing, being an accessory for the PS5 so that you can remote play on the device if your primary viewing option (most peoples living room TV's) is in use. Why dont people get that for people with families this device is perfect? (or just about anyone who wants to play their PS5 anywhere in their house or garden)
(Yes, plenty of people are hyped for it, the thing is selling really well (sold out when first pre-orders came through)I guess some of you think because you dont want it no-one else wants it either, what a narrow minded view)
64bitbros
Member
If that happens i'll buy a second one.
Roxkis_ii
Member
Well, from what you wrote brother you know what you're doing so I'm gonna leave it at that
Regarding the Gigabit connection now, I mentioned that I have one (which is also kinda unstable since it's a FWA one) - not that it's needed since RP requires around 15-20Mbps (IIRC), that's why I also mentioned channel congestion...
It's a crapshoot apparently...
Personally, I've tried these set-ups :
- OnePlus Nord 5G (2020) : Android 12, BT 5.1, supports Wi-fi 5, there's macro blocking and the image also breaks up frequently depending of how far i'm from my TP-Link Archer AX53 Wi-fi 6 router. Perceivable input lag which feels less than 0.5 secs
Literally unplayable due to button configuration on the Dualsense being all kinds of fooked up.
Status : unplayable (with a Dualsense).
- Ipad 2017 : supports wi-fi 5 (i think ? dunno, it's my girlfriend's), BT 4.2, the image doesn't break up as frequently (?) but again, things start going to shit the further i get from my router (obviously).
input-lag is fine and the controls also support haptic feedback.
Status : very playable
- Samsung galaxy Tab S9+ (2023) : Android 13, supports Wi-fi 6, less perceivable macro blocking, image quality is stable as fook with no break ups whatsoever no matter where i'm using it.You start streaming/playing at 1080/60fps, it stays at 1080/60fps.
Again, I tested it the other day on my 4K Samsung via USB C to HDMI adapter which sits 3 rooms away from my router and the experience was the SAME both image-quality and input-quality wise.
Dualsense works properly but with no haptic feedback (only vibration).
Status : Super playable, super enjoyable.
Sure, Ghost of Tsushima isn't the most twitchy game ever and its controls are very lenient but Demon's souls, Returnal and Wanted: Dead on the other hand are not, and yet, the input lag was so friggin' low that i almost couldn't perceive it (i did 'cause i'm a geek/nerd like most peeps in here).
When i say that they were perfectly playable i mean it.
Heck, i've been trying streaming services and solutions for more than a decade now and the state of Remote Play right now has got nothing to do with what it was - i'll have to mention again that i don't know whether Sony upgraded some things on their end or whether Wi-fi 6 does really make all this difference (or both) but i'm actually pleasantly surprised for once.
Besides the Wi-fi 6 thing and whether a PS5 is hardwired or not, maybe a device's Bluetooth chip should also be taken into consideration when it comes to the input-lag, this is why i hope that the portal will support BT 5.3 and Wi-fi 6.
You're absolutely right though that many people (the majority i'd say) will have a bad time IF this gadget connects through wifi only that is - which tells me that Sony may have a trick up its sleeve by using a direct connection to the PS5, i mean, they must have thought of this problem, right ? Right ?
Guess we'll have to wait and see, cheers
I wasn't aware this would use a direct connection. That would likely sort out any local connection issues people would have.
Returnal is my favorite game, so maybe that isn't the best game to test. It's playable, but the delay feels like it gets in the way.
I could be extra sensitive to the delay. I use my wired dualsense to play other games on my laptop, and with stuff like nivida relex,
I feel zero delay in most games. Going from Cyberpunk to remote play Returnal is painful. But maybe it's won't be so bad for other people if they just play wireless on their ps5.
64bitbros
Member
King Dazzar
Member
So can this be used on external wifi anywhere in the world, to access and play on your home console? Or does it have to be connected on the same local network as the PS5?
Schmick
Member
This is what the website says,
Buy PlayStation Portal™ Remote Player | PlayStation® (UK)
Feel the Power of PlayStation® in the Palm of Your Hand.
direct.playstation.com
Can PlayStation Portal™ Remote Player only be played on my home Wi-Fi network?
While your home Wi-Fi network represents a great option to use PlayStation Portal™ Remote Player because you have control over the quality of your own home Wi-Fi, it is not required. PlayStation Portal™ Remote Player can also be played wherever you have access to broadband internet Wi-Fi with at least 5Mbps for use*. For a better play experience, a high-speed connection of at least 15Mbps is recommended. If you are using public Wi-Fi, be aware that the quality of the internet connection may be out of your control, and could impact the quality of your play experience.
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Giallo Corsa
Member
If this can connect to the internet through a "normal" wi-fi connection (i.e : like you do with RP on smartphones/tablets) and not through a direct-to-PS5 connection only method , then sure, in the end, that's how you can also use every smartphone/tablet with RP.In practice, you could also connect through you phone's hot-spot if you're outside your home
Giallo Corsa
Member
This is what the website says,
Buy PlayStation Portal™ Remote Player | PlayStation® (UK)
Feel the Power of PlayStation® in the Palm of Your Hand.
Can PlayStation Portal™ Remote Player only be played on my home Wi-Fi network?
While your home Wi-Fi network represents a great option to use PlayStation Portal™ Remote Player because you have control over the quality of your own home Wi-Fi, it is not required. PlayStation Portal™ Remote Player can also be played wherever you have access to broadband internet Wi-Fi with at least 5Mbps for use*. For a better play experience, a high-speed connection of at least 15Mbps is recommended. If you are using public Wi-Fi, be aware that the quality of the internet connection may be out of your control, and could impact the quality of your play experience.
Welp, there it is.Nice one Shmick
TLDNR : Yep, you can definitely use your phone's 4G/5G hot-spot with this - your mileage will vary obviously
King Dazzar
Member
Thanks mate. So it would appear it can be used as a working away from home, stuck in a hotel kind of device. Which is great if it does it well.This is what the website says,
Buy PlayStation Portal™ Remote Player | PlayStation® (UK)
Feel the Power of PlayStation® in the Palm of Your Hand.
Can PlayStation Portal™ Remote Player only be played on my home Wi-Fi network?
While your home Wi-Fi network represents a great option to use PlayStation Portal™ Remote Player because you have control over the quality of your own home Wi-Fi, it is not required. PlayStation Portal™ Remote Player can also be played wherever you have access to broadband internet Wi-Fi with at least 5Mbps for use*. For a better play experience, a high-speed connection of at least 15Mbps is recommended. If you are using public Wi-Fi, be aware that the quality of the internet connection may be out of your control, and could impact the quality of your play experience.
Unknown?
Member
Of course not, browsers are exploitable which will lead to inevitable hacking. Blame pirates for less features.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
I can't understand him but I'm assuming he said it can't play native games so it's trash. /s
I can't wait for mine
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64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
i mean sure if you don't know how to use a screwdriver. both of you guys are wrong
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
It’s even uglier than in the renders!
But good for anyone who will find a use for it.
rofif
Banned
What kind of answer is that. YOu can say that about everything. stupid
I think I will end up picking one up if they are out in the wild after its released. I need to see with my own eyes in person before I buy so the preorder will not do.
This was sorta like the selling point for the WiiU. I loved the idea of gaming while on the toilet or in the same room as my family while not complaining about who can watch the TV.
Its and extension device, and should be serviceable at what it sets out to do.
This was sorta like the selling point for the WiiU. I loved the idea of gaming while on the toilet or in the same room as my family while not complaining about who can watch the TV.
Its and extension device, and should be serviceable at what it sets out to do.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Now I know how Somerset & Mills felt
Drizzlehell
Banned
It's not a bait, It's just my take on it. I know that many people around here would rather stay sealed away in echo chambers but that doesn't mean that anyone who will have a different opinion is trying to "bait" you. I haven't even commented on the commercial performance of this device and I don't really care about that, so I don't know why you felt the need to brag about sales numbers on Sony's behalf.
In any case, it simply doesn't sound like a very practical device, especially for that price. It feels like it was created specifically with a Japanese market in mind but for most Western countries, it's more of a curiosity that doesn't have much practical use outside of your living room. But at that point, if your family is hogging the TV all the time, why wouldn't you just use a regular tablet with a much cheaper controller attachment or a laptop? Did you really need Sony to sell you an overpriced accessory to get you out of that pickle?
Besides, it's just another example of Sony accessories that are way overpriced in general, not to mention that they basically force you into using that shit. I bought enough of it already so I'm speaking from experience here. I do have PSVR2, I have two different controllers, I have the Pulse headset, and while all of them have a practical application within the PS5 ecosystem, the quality of craftsmanship does feel pretty flimsy and underwhelming, to say the least. If I had the option to buy better headphones within the price range of a Pulse headset, I'd do it in a heartbeat because I could absolutely get a much better sound for that price. But nope, I have to use Pulse because that's pretty much the only wireless headset that works with PS5 without any hassle (or at least it was the only option at the time when I bought it, I didn't check if there were any alternatives released since then).
And it's a similar story in the case of Portal - for a 200-buck tablet that can't do much of anything save for streaming games from my console, I absolutely expect it to have an OLED screen at least. Not to mention a decent battery life and the ability to work with any wireless headphones. Otherwise, what am I paying for if not the brand? It's basically like buying Adidas sneakers.
I'm also not really sold on a promise that cloud streaming might be available at some point in the future maybe.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Sony gets your money.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Jesus. It looks worse from that angle.Yeah actually looked pictures of the Portal's back side and there's no optimal place for back buttons.
Maybe having them being removable around here would suffice:
FrankWza
Member
Judging by some of the comments I think Sony slipped in an extra trigger.
Giallo Corsa
Member
God damn, love ya Paulie
This friggin' PS portal is triggering people more than Starfield, Redfall, Spidey 2 and FF16 combined for some reason.
Take Drizzle's rant for example..Sony should definitely take note and shelve the whole project, it's over, it's apparently shit, no reason whatsoever to exist, why have fun ? How dare you entertain the thought that you might actually enjoy a product ? nope, 'tis not allowed in here !
On a more serious note : i hope this thing succeeds and i also hope that Microsoft does something similar since they also have the proper infrastructure and services (Xcloud/console streaming).
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Pedro Motta
Member
Great, now my girlfriend can watch shitty shows on my very expensive 77" OLED screen while I play with the boys on the Portal.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Join the club.Great, now my girlfriend can watch shitty shows on my very expensive 77" OLED screen while I play with the boys on the Portal.
22 years of the most popular Dutch soap non-stop.
Drizzlehell
Banned
Lol, I love how defensive you guys get in response to a simple opinion.
It's okay man, just because I don't like it shouldn't ruin your enjoyment of it.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
Yes, i can. Either way you don't need to throw away an entire device because one replaceable joystick broke down whether it's a switch joycon or a portal
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
That’s why I remote play during the day, and play on the tv at night.Great, now my girlfriend can watch shitty shows on my very expensive 77" OLED screen while I play with the boys on the Portal.
FrankWza
Member
Same song when both VR headsets and the Edge were launching. They're all successful. Meanwhile, Playstation ecosystem gets streamlined and there's still the new Pulse headsets releasing that further it even more with Link. Or, you can use existing accessories Since Sony doesn't lock their audio or remote play and let's you use what you like.
Giallo Corsa
Member
Drizzle, my man, it's literally OK, you can like or dislike a product as much as you want, thing is, when someone, anyone , starts a long winded rant it just becomes... unnecessary and kinda tone deaf, I mean, do you think that your mega-rant/opinion is going to change people's minds ? Besides, it comes off as incredibly condescending
It's not the "why", it's the tone my man and something that you do frequently in most of your posts/threads.
Just...try to take it easy friend, that's all.
Kenneth Haight
Gold Member
Preorder cancelled, you’ve changed my mind.
I love when people on GAF argue about other people buying products. I didn’t buy a PSVR2 cause I thought it was overpriced, had little games I wanted to play etc.
I didn’t go and bitch to people about why that was. Let people spend their money the way they want. Why do you care so much
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Salmon Snake
Member
Well I believe the average user won't be spending much time looking it on the back side.
rofif
Banned
well obviously. Goes unsaid
rofif
Banned
That's only if you drop it screen down in the toilet. you dont see the back otherwise
FrankWza
Member
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