Optimus Lime
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Watching manchildren tie themselves in pretzels while desperately trying to find quantifiable evidence of something being 'any good' is always depressing.
& done. how do you even hope to exist in the console market if your last successful exclusive ip was created in 2006? i mean, that's just genuinely nuts. it almost seems like the odds'd be that they'd've just accidentally come up with one over all that time...The scary thing is they haven't been able to create a new, big IP to match Halo, Gears, or Forza. Starfield was the big chance, but failed spectacularly.
Must be a "Gaf thing."The obsession with Spencer around here is beautiful
It's not the premise of the thread. The premise of the thread is that xbox has declined under Phil and the critics scores from actual reviewers show that.
We can see again that the user score is not aligned with the critic score highlighting that the critics got it wrong.
Notice the difference in user score vs critic scores. Very large difference.
It's funny though, the critic scores go up but the user score goes down.
The user and critic scores are closely aligned showing that this is a series where the critics got it right.
The only thing we can say here is that there's a perceived decline according to the users.
Notice the huge gulf in userscore vs critic score suggesting that the critics were wrong once again. Personally speaking, I like the series and it's one I play often till this day.
EDIT: adamsapple is attempting to derail the thread by arguing that metacritic user scores are invalid. The charts are composed of both the metacritic "critic" score listed as metacritic and the metacritic user score listed as "userscore". If you do not like the userscore. Feel free to ignore the user score and look at the aggregate critic scores.
I trust user reviews far more than mainstream. It quite obvious they are all heavily pressured into giving first party games a pass.What's the source of the user scores?
If it's metacritic, anyone can make an account and post a user review. User review bombing is a topic we've seen covered on GAF for pretty much every recent platform exclusive.
GT7 has a user review rating of 2.3 out of 10. Anyone agree with that?
Or just not use user reviews as any kind of worthwhile metric.
Grow up.Phil Spencer also revived Age of Empires as an IP with good success, as well as Microsoft Flight Simulator. So get fucked.
Using user reviews from people who pay for the game is not ok... However it's ok to use reviews from review outlets who get the game for free and are incentivized to rate highly if they want to receive more review copies for free? Yea that makes sense chief.....
Speaking of Agendas, neither old Flight sim nor 360 fable games were under Spencer's tenure. Spencer took over in 2014 and shares no blame for those games. Nice derail attempt though.Metacritic user score is nigh useless for this purpose. There’s no real logic in using such a flawed metric filled with many 0/10 and 10/10 reviews to insist that ‘critics got it wrong’
Also strains credibility to blame ratings drops in old ass flight sim games and xbox/360 Fable games on Phil Spencer.
Pretty sure you already know there’s no way to verify if the user reviewers on Metacritic have paid for the game.
Want to see how user reviews are, when valid purchases are taken into consideration, and where review bombing is much less prevalent?
4.7/5
Or for an even on Steam, where pretty much every reviewer there paid for the game
But you’d rather go with Metacritic user reviews like:
Agenda’s gotta agend, I guess.
I'd rather grow down, tbh.Grow up.
The point is that he did some good things and some bad things. Shit is not black or white.What's your point? That signing off on projects suddenly makes him good at managing studios?
Their output has suffered under him, once great franchises have gone to waste.
I'm not against him signing off on projects that are to be outsourced to studios outside of his control (they are sitting on a lot of fantastic IP), or even that being the logical solution from this point forwards. But if things continue as they are then even the franchises you mention will go to waste the moment he decides to bring their development in-house.
I've never understood the hype surrounding Phil Spencer.
Metacritic user score is nigh useless for this purpose. There’s no real logic in using such a flawed metric filled with many 0/10 and 10/10 reviews to insist that ‘critics got it wrong’
to be fair, Phil took over XGS back in 2008 so I feel like you should credit him with titles that came out while he was the head of first party studios as wellLet's Look at Phil Spencer's Performance as a whole.
It's clear to see that prior to Phil Spencer taking over Xbox as a whole in 2014, titles scored higher with both users and critics. Since he's taken over, we've seen a drop in both ratings.
He's a gamer just like us.
edit: Orziel is attempting to derail the thread.
True:
I mean, you guys swear by these already so…
Steam scores CAN be heavily impacted by technical issues on PC, independent of perception on console. For example…
Accurate. Very positive since they fixed the issues.
Your mistake is thinking that this is a console war thread. It's not. It's an xbox focused thread. People are just getting in their feelings. As someone who is currently subscribed to gamepass ultimate and previously owned several series x which i sold, this is about xbox and xbox alone. I did not reference any other console in this discussion and the key focus is on seeing a drastic improvement with xbox. They have declined and they need to improve.Wow I actually agree with adamsapple here using review scores is silly review bombing is massive for metacritic.
This thread is nothing but my console has better games kind of thread. My question to you why do care so much about a platform you clearly don't like.
You want know a secrect there's a reason console wars have never died is because arguing about some opinion that's all comes down too.
There's some people out who play the worst games ever made. Now point here why do want to ruin that guys fun. I remember as kid loving the fuck out herdy gerdy bet you hate that right.
Xbox might be doing bad right now but no need for site continue hosting dozens threads about it gaming is about having fun it's entertaimemt after all.
No. No it's not.overall reviews still 66%, for a game that’s certainly a masterpiece.
Like I said, sometimes affected by technical
Issues. And reviews certainly can change as issues get resolved.
Not exactly rocket science here
Look at all that negative agenda from the games media towards anything Xbox.
Your mistake is thinking that this is a console war thread. It's not. It's an xbox focused thread. People are just getting in their feelings. As someone who is currently subscribed to gamepass ultimate and previously owned several series x which i sold, this is about xbox and xbox alone. I did not reference any other console in this discussion and the key focus is on seeing a drastic improvement with xbox. They have declined and they need to improve.
Who capitalizes the B in Xbox?The problem with the XBox is the XBox, it's a completely unnecessary console that basically plays all the same games as the Playstation. It's an imitator that brings nothing new trying to beat the party it is copying from. That rarely goes well.
The XBox only exist because Microsoft decided they wanted in on the gaming revenue, and instead of fight other people's weakness with their strength. They foolish chose to fight Sony's strength (hardware) with their weakness.
If Microsoft were smart, they would have focused on where they were strong, which is software, and build a software platform for gaming. Had they done that in 2000, they would be the Steam of today and there would be no Steam. Steam had 10 Billion in revenue in 2022, XBox had 4.7 Billion.
They owned them for like 2 months JesusSeems the reception slowly declines with each sequel. This is probably the case industry-wide generally. There needs to be some new IP's to excite people, and I think we need to take a look at their existing IP's they're doing nothing with (omitted some). Why are they sitting on so many of these? Maybe a few are being revived but I've heard nothing so I expect nothing.
Crash Bandicoot
Guitar Hero
Gun
Hexen/Heretic
King's Quest
Prototype
Soldier of Fortune
Spyro
Starcraft
SWAT
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater
True Crime
Warcraft
This is the best post ever.Seems the reception slowly declines with each sequel. This is probably the case industry-wide generally. There needs to be some new IP's to excite people, and I think we need to take a look at their existing IP's they're doing nothing with (omitted some). Why are they sitting on so many of these? Maybe a few are being revived but I've heard nothing so I expect nothing.
Crash Bandicoot
Guitar Hero
Gun
Hexen/Heretic
King's Quest
Prototype
Soldier of Fortune
Spyro
Starcraft
SWAT
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater
True Crime
Warcraft
The point is that he did some good things and some bad things. Shit is not black or white.
For me personally, he's the best Microsoft "Gaming CEO" since the inception of Xbox. For you he seems to be one of the worst. Who is right? We both are from what we want out of Microsoft/Xbox. I don't care for Forza or Gears. You don't care of Age of Empires or Flight Simulator.
I do care about Halo, though... But not even current Bungie would be able to make a good Halo game.
I'm gonna stop you right there.
Using user reviews as any kind of gauge or metric, especially from metacritic, is immediately disqualifying of the whole experiment.