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[FrankWza]

If anything this just shows how cross-gen is just overrated as an excuse.
Forbidden West is crossgen and it's one of the bets looking games out there nowadays.

Hell 2018 Red Dead Redemption 2 puts most 2023 games to shame, lmao.

Also, Forza left last gen behind. A lot was made about that. It was supposed to be able to catapult it to new heights. It did not.

 

[jroc74]

Well, seems some were right about GT7 in that huge comparison thread.

Damn.

 

[GHG]

Photo mode.

Photo mode

Photo mode

Cope.

Cope

Cope

 

[Tomeru]

For those wondering they picked GT7.

So thats why adamsapple didnt make this thread

 

[skyfinch]

I mean Forza Horizon 5 looks better than Forza Motorsport and that's also a cross gen game.

Shit, I would have been more than happy if FM looked like Horzion 5 with their updated physics.

 

[Portugeezer]

1+ hour comparison? Insanity. Get a grip.

 

[Insane Metal]

So thats why adamsapple didnt make this thread

Well he did post his own thread. I think we posted at the same time.

 

[adamsapple]

So thats why adamsapple didnt make this thread

Digital Foundry: Gran Turismo 7 vs Forza Motorsport - The Duel - Digital Foundry Graphics Breakdown

What happens when two of the most talented development studios in the world tackle the same subject matter - albeit with very different priorities? Polyphony Digital and Turn 10 routinely deliver some of the technologically impressive racing games on consoles - and with the release of the...

www.neogaf.com

Your eyesight is about as bad as your arguments against the Indiana Jones game

 

[RickMasters]

Fine. I was getting tired of this ceasefire anyway ( sorry….. I’m just being dramatic. But damn that sounded cool while I typed it)

 

[Tomeru]

Digital Foundry: Gran Turismo 7 vs Forza Motorsport - The Duel - Digital Foundry Graphics Breakdown

What happens when two of the most talented development studios in the world tackle the same subject matter - albeit with very different priorities? Polyphony Digital and Turn 10 routinely deliver some of the technologically impressive racing games on consoles - and with the release of the...

www.neogaf.com

Your eyesight is about as bad as your arguments against the Indiana Jones game

How the fuck do you know I wear glasses?!?!?!?!????????!!!!!!

 

[YOU PC BRO?!]

So this is a genre john fancies? Is he comfortable covering that one?
Noted - Racing games = ok

Always remember this coward

Also - lol gt7 obviously looks better

Wtf? Is this real? This mf covered that open-world dumpster fire 'Forspoken' (Forspoken revisited video). What an absolute coward. Hogwarts Legacy was a solid game that in no way deserves the hate and exclusion it has received.

 

[OverHeat]

GT7 by far.

 

[poppabk]

Cope.



Cope



Cope

Yes its just chance that out of an hour long video the 3 stills people pulled just happened to be in photo mode.

 

[FoxMcChief]

I don’t care about the graphics differences. FM was a chore to boot up and play. GT7 is pretty chill and matches my super casual play style.

GT7 > FM

 

[Thief1987]

Those mighty "3D trees"

 

[DanielG165]

I’ll stick to the significantly better looking Horizon 5 for my Forza fix, play Assetto Corsa Competizione for my hardcore racing sim, and grab GT7 at some point for my casual track game.

Best of every world for me.

 

[nowhat]

Crazy that GT7 is PS4 game and came out years ago

According to PD, they modeled the cars in GT Sport (and by extension GT7) to support 8K.

(not saying it would be rendered at 8K, and haven't watched the video yet)

 

[Snake29]

GT7 is still the overall and more consistent game. Only one king in town and thats GT7.

 

[Bry0]

Gt7 just looks better. Especially the car models. I’ve played both back to back plenty. They both still look great but forza just really lacks consistency. Certain light conditions are really unflattering. I could swear RT might be buggy in forza for pc too, and the AA implementations all have weird issues. GT7 IQ is so crisp

 

[FoxMcChief]

Now give us the Baldurs Gate 3 comparison. I would like to get the better console port, whichever that may be.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Drive Club >>> both of them

In most tiny gifs and when there's a soup of pixels for weather I would agree. Remove the motion blur vaseline and the assets just don't hold up anymore.

The good

Spoiler

The bad

Spoiler

And the ugly

Spoiler

It served its time, stop digging its grave

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

embarrassing for a "Next-Gen" Only game. but in general i don't think we have seen what these consoles are capable of.

 

[Bernoulli]

Generational leap

Forza Motorsport Delivers a Generational Leap in Fidelity, Immersion and Realism - Xbox Wire

Today, at Developer_Direct, we showed off a fresh look at Forza Motorsport and how we’re making the game look real, sound real and feel real through our cars, tracks and audio that deliver a generational leap in fidelity, immersion and realism. Forza Motorsport is coming later this year to Xbox...

news.xbox.com

 

[Skifi28]

Forza 8 should first try competing with Forza 5 from a decade ago. No, seriously, there's something really wrong with the modeling and lighting in 8 at some points. I have no idea what happened after 6 years.




Forget the whole "from the ground up" bullshit. It's like they threw away their old and decent assets and replaced them with placeholders like that awesome concrete texture you'll see everywhere:

 

[Snake29]

Even environments do not look always better in Forza. GT7 has a better Ray Tracing implementation. Even if it’s not enabled during gameplay. PD has this covered already for their future instalment or maybe update?

 

[Mr Moose]

I think I said it in the other thread a while back but GT7 is more accurate to real life in the tracks, with Forza adding details that aren't there (lights and shit, which isn't a bad thing exactly because tracks can look a bit boring).

 

[Švejk]

GT7 having VR, how can anyone put these even remotely close? lmao

 

[tommib]

There’s all these details that are missing from Forza when compared to the real tracks:

 

[GHG]

Yes its just chance that out of an hour long video the 3 stills people pulled just happened to be in photo mode.

Save yourself the suffering and just skip to the conclusion.

 

[poppabk]

GT7 having VR, how can anyone put these even remotely close? lmao

Yeah that's the biggest miss for Forza - coupled with its excellent controller feel and mid wheel support and it ends up filling the role of a quick arcadey type of game for me.

 

[rofif]

In most tiny gifs and when there's a soup of pixels for weather I would agree. Remove the motion blur vaseline and the assets just don't hold up anymore.

The good

Spoiler

The bad

Spoiler

And the ugly

Spoiler

It served its time, stop digging its grave

WEll it's an early ps4 game when you stop. There was no TAA or anything like that yet.
You always repost the same extremely cherry picked screenshots. It doesn't prove any point.
It looks good despite low resolution.

Some of my shots and vids. Taken this year on ps5. Those without UI are photo mode - just anti aliasing essentially(I compared). Game looks jaw dropping when you play it.
The photo mode shots are still 1080p. I suspect they are adding msaa or supersampling. God I wish it was playable with photo mode aa.

 

[Tripolygon]

Overall, a very good comparisons video and points out how accurate GT is compared to FM which takes more artistic liberties with trackside details and certain things. GT is still unmatched when it comes to lighting and shader accuracy. A track does not turn into a perfect mirror, something I called out around the "raytraced" reflection circle jerk. Good to see John pointing that out during the rain comparison.

Nice shoutout to driveclub, the goat of weather simulation.

 

[Kilau]

GT is slapping the shit out of Forza

 

[Buggy Loop]

You always repost the same extremely cherry picked screenshots. It doesn't prove any point.

What?

Am I in your dreams or something?

 

[rofif]

What?

Am I in your dreams or something?

I've seen those shots before. Don't remember if it was you posting them. Doesn't matter now I guess

 

[tommib]

It’s a massacre. They even give a trophy to GT7 at the end.

 

[U n i o n 0015]

I'm still watching but the consensus I've reached so far is that I wish T10 gave half the shit that Polyphony does about cars.

 

[NEbeast]

Digital Foundry: Gran Turismo 7 vs Forza Motorsport - The Duel - Digital Foundry Graphics Breakdown

What happens when two of the most talented development studios in the world tackle the same subject matter - albeit with very different priorities? Polyphony Digital and Turn 10 routinely deliver some of the technologically impressive racing games on consoles - and with the release of the...

www.neogaf.com

Your eyesight is about as bad as your arguments against the Indiana Jones game

I don't know about you guys, but Forza's realistic lighting does much better in some comparisons.

GT here looks very "gamey" by comparison. The much better trees on Forza also help.

 

[Skifi28]

I'm still watching but the consensus I've reached so far is that I wish T10 gave half the shit that Polyphony does about cars.

This. Forget the existence of GT7 and any console war comparison bullshit, the issue is that turn 10 doesn't seem to care enough. They even failed according to their own standards which were never all that high.

 

[tommib]

I'm still watching but the consensus I've reached so far is that I wish T10 gave half the shit that Polyphony does about cars.

They delayed the game so many times after GT7 came out but there’s only so much that can help you without love in your veins.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

I'm still watching but the consensus I've reached so far is that I wish T10 gave half the shit that Polyphony does about cars.

Gran Turismo is a game made from someone that has passion for cars. It's as simple as that. Forza is just a business.

There's also the fact Gran Turismo has a certain art style that serves the game just right. Like it's "too clear" to be considered realistic sometimes while Forza tries to go for a more realistic look but doesn't work as good as ends up looking more washed out.

It's clearly a japanese game vs an american one in every way.

 

[DJ12]

Lighting and reflections? You’re making all that up, son.

Lovely raytraced reflections on those Forza mirrors

 

[skyfinch]

I think they were hoping raytracing would be the next best thing, but to implement that they had to downgrade the car models. In the end, that raytracing bullshit failed them, so they were left with a mediocre looking game.

 

[JackMcGunns]

GT7 wins in Photo mode no doubt, but FM 8 has wins where it counts imo.

 

[adamsapple]

 

[Snake29]

Gran Turismo is a game made from someone that has passion for cars. It's as simple as that. Forza is just a business.

There's also the fact Gran Turismo has a certain art style that serves the game just right. Like it's "too clear" to be considered realistic sometimes while Forza tries to go for a more realistic look but doesn't work as good as ends up looking more washed out.

It's clearly a japanese game vs an american one in every way.

GT is a game made by the car industry. PD even designs concept cars with a lot of manufacturers (Vision GT cars). The whole vibe around it says enough. A lot of passion and that really not what i see in Forza.

 

[a multicultural team of v]

I posted this in another thread and firmly stand by it:

Something that often goes unappreciated is that Kazunori Yamauchi has a music keyboard at his desk

AND has two class wins in the Nürburgring 24hr

I think this goes a long way explaining how Gran Turismo can be so artistic yet realistic at the same time.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

GT7 wins in Photo mode no doubt, but FM 8 has wins where it counts imo.

like A.I.?

 

[Zathalus]

I agree with the conclusion, both are good looking games but GT7 clearly has the edge. Comparing the games themselves, while both play well, Forza is just very barebones and sterile in its presentation compared to GT7.

 

[MikeM]

If anything this just shows how cross-gen is just overrated as an excuse.
Forbidden West is crossgen and it's one of the best looking games out there nowadays.

Hell 2018 Red Dead Redemption 2 puts most 2023 games to shame, lmao.

Exactly. GoW Ragnarok looks fantastic as well, runs at 80-95fps and is just a fantastic game. The cross-gen argument is such a cop-out.