Killjoy-NL
Member
Edit: snip
Last edited:
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Satya Nadella talks about the future of Xbox and multiplatform: "We are very happy with what's going on in gaming"
StueyDuck
Banned
not everything is going to be perfect.
Apple has introduced so much bad shit into the world since but that still doesn't change the fact that the Original iPhone was one of the most important innovations we have had in tech for a long long long time
Last edited:
Ar¢tos
Member
Sony will still be forced to make affordable consoles because of consumer and publisher pressure otherwise they can't build install bases for new gens.I find it hilarious that people are preaching Microsoft's exit from hardware business.
I mean. I'm sure Good Guy Sony® will make sure that their next console will be priced "competitively" (when there is no competition left) and I'm sure they won't have any reason to raise prices of PlayStation Plus again and prices of their first party games.
Jesus. People are just delusional.
But whatever. It would be funny when people will wait for Xbox first-party games on other platform in same way they are waiting for Microsoft's exit from console hardware business. "Any time now" since 2014
"The year is 2032 and I'm sure this will be year when Indiana Jones will finally come to PS5"
They will still need to be careful about prices because of increased competition from Xbox games on their platform and from Xcloud on any TV that runs Android (+ whatever deals xbox makes with other manufacturers, or if Xbox becomes an HDMI stick, for example).
Stop spreading FUD.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Let me put it this way:Yes. That's why most played and best selling games on PlayStation are FIFA, Fortnite and Call of Duty. Because "people wants exclusives"
Since those games are on both Playstation and Xbox, why is Xbox dying?
Because:
1. PlayStation was always preferred platform. Even when they shot themselves in the foot(PS3 era), they still managed to outsell Xbox. And they have worse console with worse software lineup, worse online a worse features.
2. Because Xbox shot themselves in the foot in Xbox One era with more expensive and weaker console
3. Because huge reason to buy a console is "where my friends are" and if your Call of Duty and FIFA friends are on PlayStation, there is little reason to buy an Xbox.
Killjoy-NL
Member
1. And why was Playstation the preferred platform?
2. That's Xbox in a nutshell
3. We have cross-platform as a standard now, so this isn't relevant anymore.
Quality exclusives are ultimately what gives the edge and that's exactly where Xbox is severly lacking.
This would only be more obvious if Xbox starts releasing their games on PlayStation and for the first time they would be directly competing with Sony's 1st party.
twilo99
Member
Yup. Saw that this gen.
Sony raised prices of consoles and players be like "let's buy more"
Sony raises prices of subscription and players be like "let's buy record amount of PS5"
Look. We know what happened last time when Sony felt untouchable in console space. It was called 599USD console in year of our lord 2007. Anybody who thinks Sony will have any reason to price their console competitive when they will be only company making consoles for newest FIFA, Call of Duty and for their first-party games is just delusional at this point. If you think that Sony would try to sell PS6 at a loss (which is done every gen for competitive reasons) with cornered market, you are just plain dumb.
rofif
Banned
Fair enough.
Crayon
Member
It's probably going to be more gradual. They already have a little precedent with Minecraft and the cod situation so it doesn't have to be a cold start. Hifi on switch isn't completely freaking everyone out.
So push it a little further, say perfect dark day 1 on switch 2. Then maybe a gears collection on ps5. Then Forza horizon 6 a year late on ps5. One day do day 1 es6 on ps6.
So push it a little further, say perfect dark day 1 on switch 2. Then maybe a gears collection on ps5. Then Forza horizon 6 a year late on ps5. One day do day 1 es6 on ps6.
1. Because by the time Xbox came to market, PlayStation was already at their second generation. Duh? By the time Xbox came to the market PS2 was already estabilished
3. Now. But this was not the case at the start of PS4 generation when people built their digital libraries. And it was primary reason why Sony fought hard against cross-play implementation.
Killjoy-NL
Member
1. Sony was competing with Nintendo. There was PC as well.
3. Doesn't matter, as Xbox is dying now. It's because their games don't convince enough people. Simple as that.
And don't start about cross-play, when Sony did have cross-play with PC and while Xbox was bragging about how pro-consumer they were, SE let us know that the sole reason FF XIV wasn't on Xbox, was because of Xbox cross-platform policies. While Playstation and PC had already been playing together for years.
So it's more likely that MS had some policies in place that were the bigger issue behind closed doors.
Ar¢tos
Member
Xbox raised prices too, you seem to forget that. You also seem to ignore that the prices are higher because diminishing returns force the need for better hardware for smaller visual jumps.
Sony sold the ps3 at 599 with a massive loss per unit, you need to be extremely ignorant to think they were happy about it.
With a bigger potential market, because of lack of Xbox, Sony can make even better deals for bulk components buying, and can still sell initially at a loss because they get their money back faster from games sales.
Aside from Nintendo, every console is sold initially at a loss.
PendekarRajawali
Member
MS gaming division will be alright thanks to candy crush saga.
Team Andromeda
Member
Minecraft and Call of Duty
Nitty_Grimes
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
I think his wording is a bit ambiguous to say the least. MS never said their games weren't coming to other consoles. Just not all of their games.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
I find it hilarious that people are preaching Microsoft's exit from hardware business.
I mean. I'm sure Good Guy Sony® will make sure that their next console will be priced "competitively" (when there is no competition left) and I'm sure they won't have any reason to raise prices of PlayStation Plus again and prices of their first party games.
Jesus. People are just delusional.
But whatever. It would be funny when people will wait for Xbox first-party games on other platform in same way they are waiting for Microsoft's exit from console hardware business. "Any time now" since 2014
"The year is 2032 and I'm sure this will be year when Indiana Jones will finally come to PS5"
Yup. They are so mediocre that people are port-begging for them
Yes. That's why most played and best selling games on PlayStation are FIFA, Fortnite and Call of Duty. Because "people wants exclusives"
And try to explain to me again what incentive would Sony have to lose money on sales on console when they would control all the supply? (ie. gaming consoles that play big AAA games)
Are you really that dumb to think that they would do that? Wouldn't it be better for Sony to earn huge margins from selling hardware and also from selling a software?
Yes. PS3 was 599$. Because they needed to be somewhat competitive with X360. There is no way they would be loosing 250$ per unit on the market where X360 would not exist.
Team Andromeda
Member
That's not always the case lack of parts and issues over inflation and curriences can affect the price. I remember when the XBox 360 had a price rise in Europe because of' 'inflation' which everyone forgets even XBots
Last edited:
Don't worry mate. My Series X and PS5 are pretty comfortable along side each other. Because when I want to play games, I will buy a console and I don't need to port-beg hard enough that X company would bring some games to my preferred piece of plastic
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Satya's the man. He's invited to my next birthday party
MrTired
Member
I could have sworn Microsoft raised the price of Gamepass 3 months prior to Playstation increase in Sub prices. So much for competition.
I could have also sworn that Microsoft increased the price of there Console 6 months after Sony did. Again so much for competition.
Team Andromeda
Member
It really depends I read that SONY was making massive losses for each and every PS1 sold on its launch In Japan and that was before SONY America announced the price of $299 which pissed off SONY Japan and meant even higher losses and led to SONY Japan getting rid of American staff
In the end it worked out as what SONY were losing they more than made up for by being able to charge every higher development fee's for the massive userbase and that's before you move on to royalties for each game sold
Killjoy-NL
Member
Good thing then that soon you'll have to buy one less console, so you can spend more money on all those games.Don't worry mate. My Series X and PS5 are pretty comfortable along side each other. Because when I want to play games, I will buy a console and I don't need to port-beg hard enough that X company would bring some games to my preferred piece of plastic
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
What happens if their games end up selling as well as Sony first party IP on Sony hardware? that would sure be interesting to see.
Nah. Game Pass is still best service on the market. So if Microsoft will exit console hardware business I will just move to PC where Game Pass exists today. It would be similar investment then two consoles per gen
Ar¢tos
Member
Because nobody will buy a 800-1000$ console that shows small upgrades over the previous one because of diminishing returns.
Just look at current gen. It started announcing consoles capable of 8k and we're already back at 1080p just to barely maintain 60fp, and we're only at the middle of the gen.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Then it's a win-win and would show the benefits of losing Xbox as a platform-holder.
MrTired
Member
Then Sega, Nintendo, Atari etc should beating the breaks of Playstation no?
My guy just admit Sony consistently make compelling consoles that the masses enjoy.
Last edited:
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I'll put money they still have consoles. Ain't no way Microsoft is giving up platform revenue, margins and gamepass.
Killjoy-NL
Member
And that's exactly why Xbox as a console has become irrelevant.Nah. Game Pass is still best service on the market. So if Microsoft will exit console hardware business I will just move to PC where Game Pass exists today. It would be similar investment then two consoles per gen
If it stops existing, nothing will be lost for the industry.
Last edited:
So wait.
You are claiming that nobody would buy 800$ console on the market where there is not a possibility of accessing AAA games from big publishers any other way?
Bold prediction, since PS5 consoles were selling at even higher prices during months after PS5 release.
But okay.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
You're living in a wet dream if you think MS will give it up. Its turning in billions in revenue. It stagnated due to content. Microsoft failed at making the console appealing enough.
MS is all in on gamepass. I know this news is making a lot of you sony guys think Microsoft is just going to crawl to sony and please to have their games on the platform with no benefit to MS but it's not reality. IF games come to playstation, MS is going to push to make it as absolutely appealing as possible for their Xbox division. That means either gamepass on wherever the games go, or at least an Xbox sign in so they can start luring customers, email contacts etc. That MAU data is what sings to shareholders.
I would like to think they will continue to make hardware, separate themselves from this console wars shit and just sell hardware like any other manufacturer does.
Why do companies like Asus make a ROG Ally to only sell a few million? if they produce the system correctly they can make money on it and a sales number doesnt matter.
30% store margins etc is still very important to MS, and GAMEPASS is everything to them.
and I repeat, MS and Satya are doing their best to make sure this FTC case goes away for ABK and what better way to do it than say competition is great, the games will come everywhere so whats everyones problem.
Last edited:
Astray
Member
The Avengers continue to assemble.
GHG
Gold Member
At that time the price of everything (even through to luxury goods such as high end watches and jewelry) was going up because global supply chain and logistics had grind to a halt. There was also the added fact that people were stuck at home with a bunch of excess cash and had nothing better to do with it.
What the hell are these disingenuous bullshit arguments?
Astray
Member
Bro if Sony ups the price too much they risk getting cannibalized by PC.
Sony console hegemony would translate in different ways, and it would not be without competition.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Maybe, but I'm just stating a fact.
Ever since MS decided to put their games on PC day 1, Xbox as a console became irrelevant.
Last edited:
So you really think that Sony would be willingly selling PlayStation consoles at a loss on market when Xbox is not making consoles?
I really admire your optimism. Or stupidity.
Last edited:
Ar¢tos
Member
It's basic marketing.
The higher the price of a product, the smaller the pool of people that can afford it.
The longer that product is out of reach of the majority, the higher the chances of a new competitor appearing and taking your potential buyers.
Also, with no competition its actually a smaller risk to take a loss on your product price, than with competition, because it's the only product available for people to buy.
And, as
Astray
said, if your price starts gets too close to PC prices, you loose everything because PC games are much cheaper and online is free.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
You would make a poor businessman, the money isn’t in hardware, it’s software which is why they always subsidise costs on it, it has nothing to do with competition but getting people through the gate to spend real money.
Last edited:
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
When Sony announced the launch price of $599 for the PS3 and everybody got a bad case of sticker shock, Sony was indeed arrogant. But not because they got giddy because they'd been the market leader for so long, but because they had been too confident in their capabilities. The PS3 design had been both too ambitious and not powerful enough at the same time. The Cell processor wasn't fast enough to power 3D graphics too so they had to add an expensive Nvidia GPU to the system. The only way to achieve full PS2 compatibility was to add the actual PS2 CPU/GPU chips to the PS3 main board.
And then there was their decision to make Blu-ray the dominant HD video format by way of the PS3. Blu-ray wasn't really ready for prime time, but the Blu-ray consortium had to put it out in order to combat the competing, cheaper to manufacture HD-DVD standard that had launched a few months earlier. Blu-Ray tech was so new that the PS3 was one of the first hw-devices with a Blu-Ray player and by far the cheapest player on the market, but it launched in incomplete form. The Blu-Ray spec would go through multiple revisions before the specs were finalized with Blu-Ray 2.0.
All those decisions drove up the price of the PS3. It was very expensive to manufacture when it launched, because despite the $599 it was sold below cost. Those price subsidies cost Sony $3.3 billion dollars. The insane manufacturing costs made Sony delay the European launch so they could deliver a slightly cheaper PS3 Phat for the European market with only partial hw-compatibility instead of full.
The early PS3 was a piece of overengineered hardware that launched too early and came with software (Blu-Ray, UI, OS feature set) that hadn't been finished. but had to pushed out the door no matter the financial costs to the company, because otherwise Sony would lose two battlegrounds: the console war with MS and the video format war with HD-DVD. That wasn't arrogant Sony, it was desperate, incompetent Sony that had bitten off more than it could chew. It's an absolute miracle that Sony recovered from such an awful start and turned an early failure into a late success.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
They already selling consoles at a loss with no competition
Fredrik
Member
”The math ain’t mathing” for lots of things when the real goal is set further out in the future.
What I think they want is this:
Start your TV, console, mobile, PC, tablet, toaster. Go to your apps and start Gamepass, log in with your account tied to a subscription plan, play their games.
That’s what I think their end goal is.
They want the monthly tick subscription money from not just Xbox and PC gamers but everyone who enjoy games, or as many as possible.
By doing Gamepass exclusives they can achieve that just like when they do Xbox exclusives, but the userbase can potentially be a lot bigger. They want a strings attached scenario. Possibility to hype up their platform (Gamepass) as better than other platforms. Netflix Originals. Get access to the content wherever you want, if you pay the subscription fee.
PharaoTutAnchAmun
Member
I want to say only this...only the diehard Xboxfans on this site are still in denail. I'am not saying that MS will stop with Xbox, thats not clear yet, but that they go the third party route is clear.
Nadella is clear in his words, first party games are going to all consoles and all platforms.
You can cry, be in denail, having a tantrum, dont want to believe it, try to spinning Nadella his words, it wont help. Except it and move on.
Nadella is clear in his words, first party games are going to all consoles and all platforms.
You can cry, be in denail, having a tantrum, dont want to believe it, try to spinning Nadella his words, it wont help. Except it and move on.
Skifi28
Member
He wasn't okay to begin with.
Gojiira
Banned
Yeah this is more like it tbh, atm MS is using the same vague language they always do that leaves a huge amount of interpretation.
But yeah Exclusives will be first party titles, legacy content and COD multiplat, for now at least. If its true Sea of Thieves or Hifi Rush is coming to PS5/Switch then all bets are off since both are recent first party games. Who the fuck knows,its Xbox and they have trouble maintaining consistent messaging for a week let alone for a whole strategy…