Go_Ly_Dow
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No need. The games likely to show from Stellar Blade, FF7 Rebirth, Ronin and a few others are on my santa list.i have one thing to say to everyone
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[PlayStation] State of play announced for the 31st of January 40 minutes 15+ games
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HeisenbergFX4
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TheRedRiders
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Always love these, great work againTGO
Gosh we've had some good memories with those, crashed more than once or twice but still wonderful nonetheless.
Go_Ly_Dow
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A hype train derailment is always tragic having experienced many in my time. But we board again in the hopes this time we ascend to heaven.
Heisenberg007
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What are you talking about? They are gonna show us the PS5 Pro and shadow-drop Ghost of Tsushima 2!i have one thing to say to everyone
FrankWza
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HeisenbergFX4
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What are you talking about? They are gonna show us the PS5 Pro and shadow-drop Ghost of Tsushima 2!
Belthazar
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I disagree. IMO what separates first party and third party is ownership of the IP, which is usually defined by who publishes what. So I would consider games like Bloodborne, Sackboy, Death Stranding, etc. first party, even though they were developed externally.
Honestly, if we only considered internally developed games as first party a lot of Mario, Metroid and Zelda games would quickly turn into third party games... hell, even Smash Bros would be a third party game by this definition.
FalsettoVibe
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yurinka
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First party means that a game is published by a platform holder, in this case Sony. In many cases, but not always, also means its lead development studio, or the IP is owned by that platform holder. Games not published by the platform holder are 3rd party.
So not only internally developed games like TLOU2 or Concord are first party: 2nd party games like Death Stranding, Bloodborne, Journey, Detroit, Rise of the Ronin, Stellar Blade or Helldivers 2 are also first party.
Games published by someone else like Fall Guys, Kena, Sifu, FFVII Rebirth are 3rd party because they aren't published by the platform holder. Even if the platform holder paid them money to have some exclusivity, marketing deal or if they provided them any other kind of help or support. In the cases like Fall Guys, Kena or Sifu, even if they were able to fund the entire project with the Sony money they keep being 3rd party because Sony didn't publish these games.
If the publisher of a game is a top, big publisher almost always also means that in addition to publish the game, that publisher will fund the entire project. In the case of small publishers of many tiny indies, the dev studio funds the game and not the publisher: in most of these case the publisher only publishes, makes some marketing and PR and sometimes also QA or porting.
Same goes with owning the IP: in the past Sony/MS/Nintendo owned the IP of all the 2nd party (remember, they are also 1st party) games. Same went with big or small 3rd party publishers, the publisher normally bought it. But it isn't the case: for the external dev studio is very valuable to keep the IP they created for them, so in many cases -specially for small projects- the publisher doesn't keep the IP.
P.S.: 2nd party games are the 1st party games where the lead development studio isn't owned by the platform holder, but instead is a separate company even if always has been working for that publisher/platform holder.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Using Phil Spencer to make a point is bad. The guy would claim Taylor Swift as first party title if he could.
This is why I get mad whenever people try to dismiss 2nd party as a thing. it definitely is. You cant sweep it under the rug just because publishers and studios dont like it. Scalebound is a perfect example of this, but you can also look at Titanfall which MS literally jumped in and saved after EA wanted to pull the plug. Is that a first party title just because they funded the game?
Insomniac, Sucker Punch, GG, Evolution Studios all started out as second party studios making Sony owned exclusives. Stellar Blade is not a Sony owned game. Just like Kena wasnt. Returnal and Demon Souls were, but at the time they were made by second party studios.
Death Stranding is the same thing, Sony owns the IP but a third party is making the game. Thats entirely different from Stellar Blade, FF7, FF16, and Forspoken where money definitely changed hands as Sony funded the development of the game in exchange for the exclusivity.
Heisenberg007
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I don't want to indulge in this discussion anymore, as I have said my piece, and it'd further derail this thread.
People can call what they want to call these games, "2nd party" or something else, but it is just them using different words for it. These are all still first-party games. That's the industry standard term for these games.
Here is another example of it. Microsoft referring Moon Studios internally as a first-party studio because they are working on a first-party game.
As I said, people are free to use the 2nd party term. But it's not accurate. These are all first-party games.
GutsOfThor
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It HAS to be better than that Microsoft shit a couple weeks ago right? RIGHT!?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
? Their show was fine and one of the better ones they have put out. Lots of gameplay footage and 3 big AAA games in Indy, Avowed and Hellblade 2.
if i get 3 big AAA games from this show, id be happy.
yeah but that proves me point. moon studios is not a MS first party developer and they are now making a game for playstation. if they had become first part in 2014, they would not be making games for their competitor.I don't want to indulge in this discussion anymore, as I have said my piece, and it'd further derail this thread.
People can call what they want to call these games, "2nd party" or something else, but it is just them using different words for it. These are all still first-party games. That's the industry standard term for these games.
Here is another example of it. Microsoft referring Moon Studios internally as a first-party studio because they are working on a first-party game.
As I said, people are free to use the 2nd party term. But it's not accurate. These are all first-party games.
HeisenbergFX4
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elmos-acc
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That MS one was actually pretty solid. Indy looked fun.
I do not have high hopes for this one. I doubt they are going to announce any new big titles like Ghost Of Tsushima 2 or games from other top-tier first-party studios. If there is gameplay gfootage of Silent Hill 2 remake or KOTOR remake I'll be somewhat satisfied.
DenchDeckard
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I think chicken selects are pretty tasty.
It must be a crippling experience for you to walk outside every day.
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Ass of Can Whooping
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What matters is they're exclusive, not coming to Xbox, which helps to push my ulterior motive
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I reckon it'll be included on PS+ when it's released. Who knows, tomorrow coincides with the monthly games announcement!
Sushi_Combo
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I predict Phillip K Spencer appearing at the final 2 minute mark to announce Gears of War for Ps5.
H From Steps
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Concord will deff surprise people.
Punished Miku
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I think so too. Art design looks on point.
Kings Field
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Sign me the fuck up. CHOO CHOO
Tiago Rodrigues
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I'm going to go with what Insomniac said about this matter:
This is how the industry mentions 2nd Party. It's just to help differentiate who finances what. But games are just 1st or 3rd party technically.
1st party GAME: Game financed by a publisher as if an internal studio is doing it (could be an internal studio - 1st party studio - or not - 2nd party studio)
2nd party (mostly used to be applied to studios themselves, not the games). Like this: "Kojima Productions is making a 1st party game to Playstation, Death Stranding". But Kojima Productions themselves aren't 1st party. They are simply working as a 2nd party studio for the project. It's a Sony owned IP and all. But lately the term has been used less and less tbh. The term is used to distinguish the games being financed by a publisher to internal studios (1st party) or external studios (2nd party). But the games per say ARE still 1st party. Death Stranding, The Order, Bloodborne, Sackboy, The IPs usually belong to the publisher as if it was a 1st party game...but developed by a team that doesn't belong to their studios.
I feel like i said the same crap 3 times...but it is like this.
3rd party exclusives like FFVII Rebirth are a different beast. The IP doesn't belong to Sony, they didn't finance the game itself. They may or not contribute to it and the marketing campaign, and be timed exclusive though. But the game still belongs to an external studio, so the property.
This is how the industry mentions 2nd Party. It's just to help differentiate who finances what. But games are just 1st or 3rd party technically.
1st party GAME: Game financed by a publisher as if an internal studio is doing it (could be an internal studio - 1st party studio - or not - 2nd party studio)
2nd party (mostly used to be applied to studios themselves, not the games). Like this: "Kojima Productions is making a 1st party game to Playstation, Death Stranding". But Kojima Productions themselves aren't 1st party. They are simply working as a 2nd party studio for the project. It's a Sony owned IP and all. But lately the term has been used less and less tbh. The term is used to distinguish the games being financed by a publisher to internal studios (1st party) or external studios (2nd party). But the games per say ARE still 1st party. Death Stranding, The Order, Bloodborne, Sackboy, The IPs usually belong to the publisher as if it was a 1st party game...but developed by a team that doesn't belong to their studios.
I feel like i said the same crap 3 times...but it is like this.
3rd party exclusives like FFVII Rebirth are a different beast. The IP doesn't belong to Sony, they didn't finance the game itself. They may or not contribute to it and the marketing campaign, and be timed exclusive though. But the game still belongs to an external studio, so the property.
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nial
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Gotcha! First and third-party refer to publishing, not developing.
You can't refute this.
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John Wick
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People are going to be surprised how good this SOP is. I think Sony will do a very good job with this one as they have been very quiet of late. Stellar Blade and Rise of the Ronin are my highlights.
SenkiDala
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If they are not from their studios... It's third party.
Mr.Phoenix
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When simple concepts like these become surprisingly complicated, you know there is foul play afoot.
1st Part - Funded and published by Sony/MS. The publisher/studio can own the IP. At times, publishers can do 2/3 game contract deals with a specific studio, in cases where the IP is usually owned by the publisher. A game can be first-party, and also be released on other platforms.
2nd Party - Published by Sony/MS. It will only ever be partially funded by the publisher and the IP always belongs to the studio. Sony/MS will cover publishing costs and marketing. Usually comes with the promise of exclusivity.
3rd Party - Sony and MS have very little to do with the development of the game, unless there are certain issues where they send out help, or they are buying timed exclusivity.
I believe the problem here is that people are trying to do this thing where they dismiss games as first party is the studio developing the game is not owned by the publisher. This is why its better to just only refer to games as first and third party. Too much overlapping between 1st and 2nd parties.
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nial
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Then I guess Sony mostly sucked in the PS1 and PS2 era, if that's the case.
Oh, and Patapon, Rain and almost every Ratchet game are also third-party using that logic!
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GamesDontSuck
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So.... it's my party and I'll cry if i want to?
Fret Runner
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Wonder if we will finally get a update on Lollipop Chainsaw? That seemingly vanished.
God I hope they don't blow their load with FF7Rebirth spoilers with whatever they show of that. It's basically the only game I'm hyped for so getting spoiled on it would suck. I missed the final trailer for FF7Remake by the skin of my teeth luckily, that shit spoiled so much. hope we don't have a repeat situation, but it's Squeenix soooo...
Deadly Premonition 2 ps5 version? feel that came out and was instantly forgotten about so a second wind might do it some good.
Well it's been a while since I was hyped for one of these so bring it on.
God I hope they don't blow their load with FF7Rebirth spoilers with whatever they show of that. It's basically the only game I'm hyped for so getting spoiled on it would suck. I missed the final trailer for FF7Remake by the skin of my teeth luckily, that shit spoiled so much. hope we don't have a repeat situation, but it's Squeenix soooo...
Deadly Premonition 2 ps5 version? feel that came out and was instantly forgotten about so a second wind might do it some good.
Well it's been a while since I was hyped for one of these so bring it on.
Ass of Can Whooping
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I'm just going to pause and skip for rebirth. They're 100% going to spoil the shit out of it. Don't even risk it
sankt-Antonio
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Can be please have a countdown in the op? Should really be mandatory with threads like these.
Punished Miku
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He even used the "i" word. This threat to our language is real and must be stopped before it spreads.The same damn conversation is happening in Era, you can't make this shit up.
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Alebrije
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Stellar Blade surpass all Microsoft showed ,so Yes it Will be better.
Pharaoh 117
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Major props to Sony for announcing that shit only 2 days in advance. Hopefully it will be a good one. Well, for SoP standards that is.
HeisenbergFX4
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Nitty_Grimes
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
They can’t get any lower.i have one thing to say to everyone
SantaC
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This conference is just a reaction of microsofts, or else we wouldnt see any
Killjoy-NL
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Nonsense. There are a few good upcoming releases for Playstation for the first half of the year.
MS fucking up is just perfect timing.
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