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Rumor: Kinect 2 so accurate it can lip read; Future Xbox to come w/ Kinect 2 bundled

mocoworm

Member
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-25-kinect-2-so-accurate-it-can-lip-read

Microsoft plans to release a next-generation Kinect device so accurate it can lip read, sources have told Eurogamer.

Kinect 2 will come bundled with future Xbox consoles, we understand.
The intention is that Kinect 2 will offer improved motion sensing and voice recognition.
One development source told Eurogamer that Kinect 2 will be so powerful it will enable games to lip read, detect when players are angry, and determine in which direction they are facing.

Kinect 2 can track the pitch and volume of player voices and facial characteristics to measure different emotional states.

The current Kinect is hamstrung by having to pass data to the Xbox 360 through ageing USB technology - an issue discussed by Eurogamer last year.

When Kinect launched in November 2010 the depth sensor was set at a 30 frames per second limit and a 320x240 resolution limit. The issue relates to the USB controller interface, which is capable of around 35MB/s, but it only uses around 15/16MB/s. This artificial limit is in place because multiple USB devices can be used at once on an Xbox 360.

Kinect 2, however, can feed the next Xbox more information, and thus a higher resolution CCD [charge-coupled device].

"It can be cabled straight through on any number of technologies that just take phenomenally high res data straight to the main processor and straight to the main RAM and ask, what do you want to do with it?" our source said.


Microsoft reportedly plans to launch two very different versions of the next Xbox.

According to a Digital Foundry report on GamesIndustry.biz, the first is a "pared down machine" to be released as cheaply as possible. It is likened to a set-top box, and will act as a Kinect-themed gaming portal.

The second is a "more fully-featured machine" with optical drive, hard disk and backwards compatibility. This would be aimed at hardcore gamers and released at a higher price-point.

Next-generation talk has ramped up in recent weeks, with Edge reporting that the next Xbox will launch late next year.

Digital Foundry believes this is unlikely, however, suggesting a 2013 launch. The console is rumoured to be set for a reveal at E3 2012.

Edge also claimed advanced development kits were already at major publishers and their teams - a suggestion corroborated by Eurogamer sources. We have been unable to verify the rumour that AMD is providing the GPU, however.

A report by MSNerd called the next Xbox the Xbox Loop - or the Xbox TV, which may relate to the rumoured cheaper Kinect 2 SKU.

Eurogamer understands Loop was the codename of Microsoft's early motion-sensing technology that predated Nintendo's July 2008 Wii Motion Plus announcement. It was a device that wrapped around a player's arm, and was said to be more accurate than both the Wii and the PlayStation Move controller.

Microsoft told Eurogamer it "does not comment on rumour or speculation".
 
Is it even possible?
I mean, lip reading is an iffy science as it is.
And why would you need to lip read if it can recognize voice commands anyway?
 

Dead Man

Member
That is what they should have done in the first place. Just waited a couple years.

Is it even possible?
I mean, lip reading is an iffy science as it is.
And why would you need to lip read if it can recognize voice commands anyway?

I think that is more an indication of fidelity, rather than capability.
 

Pie and Beans

Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
i call absolute bullshit on the lip-reading :lol I mean COME ON.
 

Leonsito

Member
Actual Kinect can recognize facial gestures with its crappy cam, Kinect 2 is going to be amazing for programming apps for PC.
 
I call BS, but I wouldn't be surprised at MS trying to integrate Kinect into the next console, or perhaps even in a future 360 revision. I wonder if they'll aim for backwards compatibility as well...

I just pray they invest some time and money in non-Kinect games, although this year's E3 was not a good sign.
 

itsgreen

Member
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-25-kinect-2-so-accurate-it-can-lip-read

Microsoft plans to release a next-generation Kinect device so accurate it can lip read, sources have told Eurogamer.

Kinect 2 will come bundled with future Xbox consoles, we understand.
The intention is that Kinect 2 will offer improved motion sensing and voice recognition.
One development source told Eurogamer that Kinect 2 will be so powerful it will enable games to lip read, detect when players are angry, and determine in which direction they are facing.

Kinect 2 can track the pitch and volume of player voices and facial characteristics to measure different emotional states.

The current Kinect is hamstrung by having to pass data to the Xbox 360 through ageing USB technology - an issue discussed by Eurogamer last year.

When Kinect launched in November 2010 the depth sensor was set at a 30 frames per second limit and a 320x240 resolution limit. The issue relates to the USB controller interface, which is capable of around 35MB/s, but it only uses around 15/16MB/s. This artificial limit is in place because multiple USB devices can be used at once on an Xbox 360.

Kinect 2, however, can feed the next Xbox more information, and thus a higher resolution CCD [charge-coupled device].

"It can be cabled straight through on any number of technologies that just take phenomenally high res data straight to the main processor and straight to the main RAM and ask, what do you want to do with it?" our source said.

Microsoft reportedly plans to launch two very different versions of the next Xbox.

According to a Digital Foundry report on GamesIndustry.biz, the first is a "pared down machine" to be released as cheaply as possible. It is likened to a set-top box, and will act as a Kinect-themed gaming portal.

The second is a "more fully-featured machine" with optical drive, hard disk and backwards compatibility. This would be aimed at hardcore gamers and released at a higher price-point.
Next-generation talk has ramped up in recent weeks, with Edge reporting that the next Xbox will launch late next year.

Digital Foundry believes this is unlikely, however, suggesting a 2013 launch. The console is rumoured to be set for a reveal at E3 2012.

Edge also claimed advanced development kits were already at major publishers and their teams - a suggestion corroborated by Eurogamer sources. We have been unable to verify the rumour that AMD is providing the GPU, however.

A report by MSNerd called the next Xbox the Xbox Loop - or the Xbox TV, which may relate to the rumoured cheaper Kinect 2 SKU.

Eurogamer understands Loop was the codename of Microsoft's early motion-sensing technology that predated Nintendo's July 2008 Wii Motion Plus announcement. It was a device that wrapped around a player's arm, and was said to be more accurate than both the Wii and the PlayStation Move controller.

Microsoft told Eurogamer it "does not comment on rumour or speculation".

For fuck sake. People. Get your wording correct.

Build in means BUILD IN. This is BUNDLED WITH. This pisses me off so much.

They are two different things. One has a camera in the console and is nuts, the other is a peripheral in the box and makes sense.
 

X26

Banned
the lip reading will in no way be accurate, but if they include it in some form it gets them article/segment on mainstream news, which is probably the point
 
I see Microsoft is continuing on with the Mike Scott rumor control method, spread a buttload of rumors at once and nobody will know what the true leaks are!
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
That's fantastic news if true.
 

Rolf NB

Member
"It can be cabled straight through on any number of technologies that just take phenomenally high res data straight to the main processor and straight to the main RAM and ask, what do you want to do with it?"
I'm suddenly in the mood for a car analogy.
Would be very cool, but I'll believe that level of accuracy when I see it.
Where does it even specify a level of accuracy?
 
Thanx to all the people that bought this crap, Microsoft now thinks it's a succes. It's NOT Microsoft. People bought it, yes. But it's still fucking crap. And it CAN NOT EVER READ LIPS.

Don't base all your games on this CRAP cause i won't buy it like i never bought Kinect in the fucking first place (i don't dance).

This is coming from someone who loves the wiimote and the PS3 disco dildo. I love the touchscreens, the DS, etc. I'm open to new control styles. But Kinect just sucks donkey balls.
 
i call absolute bullshit on the lip-reading :lol I mean COME ON.

I think they are exaggerating. I bet what they mean is that Kinect can see whose lips are moving and thereby figure out whose voice to listen to using it's directional microphones to improve the voice controls.

Its true that Kinect is totally hampered by USB2. With USB3 or a dedicated port they could push way more bandwidth and therefore have it be way more accurate and responsive (reducing input lag greatly).
 

Petrichor

Member
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-25-kinect-2-so-accurate-it-can-lip-read

Microsoft plans to release a next-generation Kinect device so accurate it can lip read, sources have told Eurogamer.

Kinect 2 will come bundled with future Xbox consoles, we understand.
The intention is that Kinect 2 will offer improved motion sensing and voice recognition.
One development source told Eurogamer that Kinect 2 will be so powerful it will enable games to lip read, detect when players are angry, and determine in which direction they are facing.

Kinect 2 can track the pitch and volume of player voices and facial characteristics to measure different emotional states.

The current Kinect is hamstrung by having to pass data to the Xbox 360 through ageing USB technology - an issue discussed by Eurogamer last year.

When Kinect launched in November 2010 the depth sensor was set at a 30 frames per second limit and a 320x240 resolution limit. The issue relates to the USB controller interface, which is capable of around 35MB/s, but it only uses around 15/16MB/s. This artificial limit is in place because multiple USB devices can be used at once on an Xbox 360.

Kinect 2, however, can feed the next Xbox more information, and thus a higher resolution CCD [charge-coupled device].

"It can be cabled straight through on any number of technologies that just take phenomenally high res data straight to the main processor and straight to the main RAM and ask, what do you want to do with it?" our source said.[/B]

Microsoft reportedly plans to launch two very different versions of the next Xbox.

According to a Digital Foundry report on GamesIndustry.biz, the first is a "pared down machine" to be released as cheaply as possible. It is likened to a set-top box, and will act as a Kinect-themed gaming portal.

The second is a "more fully-featured machine" with optical drive, hard disk and backwards compatibility. This would be aimed at hardcore gamers and released at a higher price-point.


Next-generation talk has ramped up in recent weeks, with Edge reporting that the next Xbox will launch late next year.

Digital Foundry believes this is unlikely, however, suggesting a 2013 launch. The console is rumoured to be set for a reveal at E3 2012.

Edge also claimed advanced development kits were already at major publishers and their teams - a suggestion corroborated by Eurogamer sources. We have been unable to verify the rumour that AMD is providing the GPU, however.

A report by MSNerd called the next Xbox the Xbox Loop - or the Xbox TV, which may relate to the rumoured cheaper Kinect 2 SKU.

Eurogamer understands Loop was the codename of Microsoft's early motion-sensing technology that predated Nintendo's July 2008 Wii Motion Plus announcement. It was a device that wrapped around a player's arm, and was said to be more accurate than both the Wii and the PlayStation Move controller.

Microsoft told Eurogamer it "does not comment on rumour or speculation".

This makes too much sense to be true.
 

derFeef

Member
Thanx to all the people that bought this crap, Microsoft now thinks it's a succes. It's NOT Microsoft. People bought it, yes. But it's still fucking crap. And it CAN NOT EVER READ LIPS.

Don't base all your games on this CRAP cause i won't buy it like i never bought Kinect in the fucking first place (i don't dance).

This is coming from someone who loves the wiimote and the PS3 disco dildo. I love the touchscreens, the DS, etc. I'm open to new control styles. But Kinect just sucks donkey balls.

have you actually tried it? :)
 

subversus

I've done nothing with my life except eat and fap
here comes the generation of games which will adapt difficulty level depending on you mood.

/pukes
 

subversus

I've done nothing with my life except eat and fap
I'm more interested in Kinect's applications outside of 'gaming' (where so far it seems to be really limited) if they can really up the accuracy that much and I must admit I'd be really, really impressed.

That aside I'm not sure having Kinect 2+better specs as the draw for the next-gen console is enough, but that certainly depends on what they do with Kinect I guess. If they make Kinect their main focus however they better have some really phenomenal new ideas...

with this kind of perfomance (if it is real) they can really carve the new niche if they implement at least one brilliant idea.
 

dwu8991

Banned
MS went the cheap route with Kinect and it shows. Glad they making a revised version and hopefully its HD camera this time.
 

gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
Not sure how I feel about the bundling of Kinect, if true.

That's either going to hit our bottom line, MS's bottom line, or the budget for other components. One of those choices isn't so bad, the others...? We'll see if it's worth it.
 
Built in or bundled?

I'm not perching my entire 720 on a stack of Buffy Season Box Sets at the tippy tippy top of my my fucking bookshelf, Microsoft!!!!!
 

Rezbit

Member
Thanx to all the people that bought this crap, Microsoft now thinks it's a succes. It's NOT Microsoft. People bought it, yes. But it's still fucking crap. And it CAN NOT EVER READ LIPS.

Don't base all your games on this CRAP cause i won't buy it like i never bought Kinect in the fucking first place (i don't dance).

This is coming from someone who loves the wiimote and the PS3 disco dildo. I love the touchscreens, the DS, etc. I'm open to new control styles. But Kinect just sucks donkey balls.

LOL. Though I wouldn't quite put it quite like that, I agree. Still having a controller as an extension of your arm works way better than Kinect. Kinect is fun for making a dick out of yourself and getting you on your feet but it's just so inaccurate. For anything other than throw away games it sucks. If the next Xbox is Kinect 2...I'm not really interested.
 

derFeef

Member
yes, it's horrible. Don't you agree??? I wonder how many people still actually play games with it.
I seriously wonder (not counting the dancing game...)
I don't agree with you, no.

And people should not get hung up on the lip-reading part. It's just fancy talk for the accuracy. I am all for a more precise and faster Kinect. I doubt we will see it in 2012 though.
 
LOL. Though I wouldn't quite put it quite like that, I agree. Still having a controller as an extension of your arm works way better than Kinect. Kinect is fun for making a dick out of yourself and getting you on your feet but it's just so inaccurate. For anything other than throw away games it sucks. If the next Xbox is Kinect 2...I'm not really interested.

Hey, i'll give them this: It's fun when you're drunk with some friends and you can let go the utter shame of dancing.
But for serious games.. nah man.
 

Biggzy

Member
MS went the cheap route with Kinect and it shows. Glad they making a revised version and hopefully its HD camera this time.

Correct me if I am wrong, but do you know of a camera that has a 3-D scanner and is available at a consumer level price?
 

jediyoshi

Member
And it CAN NOT EVER READ LIPS.

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I for one look forward to the next generation of motion sensing being integrated at a reasonable price. Kinect is not a technological dead end, the pc applications are just the tip of the iceberg. Of course the fidelity, resolution, and latency will improve as time goes on (and of course, some people will pretend it doesn't work at all while hundreds of youtube videos pop up from casual gamers who strangely get it to work just fine).
 
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