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[Globox_82]

Is it even possible?
I mean, lip reading is an iffy science as it is.
And why would you need to lip read if it can recognize voice commands anyway?

Hmm this is interesting. I "heard" 3 or so years ago that Sony was working on lip reading tech on a game that at the time was codenamed "The Getaway 3" but that tech was for next Playstation. I loled at the time. Who knows. Maybe something like that is next gen. can't say i am excited since I know it won't work properly.
I guess something like that is that Lionhead Milo guy wet dream

 

[wwm0nkey]

Changing the game up depending on your mood could be pretty cool.

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

Eurogamer understands Loop was the codename of Microsoft's early motion-sensing technology that predated Nintendo's July 2008 Wii Motion Plus announcement. It was a device that wrapped around a player's arm, and was said to be more accurate than both the Wii and the PlayStation Move controller.

This is also interesting, especially the "wrap around a player's arm" bit. As far as core games go, it would make a perfect companion to Kinect (2).

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

yes, it's horrible. Don't you agree??? I wonder how many people still actually play games with it.
I seriously wonder (not counting the dancing game...)

Wait what the fuck? I just played Fruit Ninja Kinect the other day.

And why not count dancing games? I ordered Dance Central 2 on Black Friday and caaannnn't waaaiiiitttt.

Why not not count Mario games for 3DS, I mean lol, like, wow.

 

[SovanJedi]

Ice Cream Eating simulator now incoming. Fingers crossed!

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Also, having the technology to read lip movements and literally reading lips are two different things, there is no practical application for the latter.

 

[Dynoro]

Looking forward to the higher fidelity for Kinect but the split launch sounds odd unless the lower spec version cannot play games at all (is solely a media machine) as it will just facture the userbase like the arcade version of the 360 did.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Also, having the technology to read lip movements and literally reading lips are two different things, there is no practical application for the latter.

I'm sure Molyneux will find something.

 

[spanks]

I like the idea of leaving out the disk drive in the Kinect version to save on costs, but it doesn't really make sense to leave out a (large) HDD if it's gonna be download only.

 

[Broder Salsa]

Next gen = same graphics, better waggle?

Guess more people will join the master race then. No way all the console people will be happy enough with a small visual upgrade and more waggle and casual dance and fitness games.

I'm sure Molyneux will find something.

Imagine a game where you lost both your arms in a war and have to communicate with a deaf kid.

 

[Rolf NB]

Its true that Kinect is totally hampered by USB2. With USB3 or a dedicated port they could push way more bandwidth and therefore have it be way more accurate and responsive (reducing input lag greatly).

Popular fanboy myth. Kinect isn't hampered by USB. It's hampered by laughably low-res camera sensors. USB ports don't share bandwidth either. That's not even possible on a serial (USB) interface. Basically the entire article (and thus the OP) is bollocks.

Microsoft could transmit 1080p60 video over USB2 today, if they had been willing to spend an extra dollar on MJPEG compression. Quit blaming USB, start blaming them.

 

[Globox_82]

Guess more people will join the master race then. No way all the console people will be happy enough with a small visual upgrade and more waggle and casual dance and fitness games.



Imagine a game where you lost both your arms in a war and have to communicate with a deaf kid.

Watch western sites convince you that it is good and you should be excited.

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

Hey, kinect teaches me how to not get raped. Try and do that with a controller.

*Throws controller at assailant*

YUP

 

[mocoworm]

Imagine a game where you lost both your arms in a war and have to communicate with a deaf kid.

Email Lionhead .. IMMEDIATELY !

 

[Opus Angelorum]

The lip reading makes sense, it is much easier to understand what someone is saying if you can see the movement of their lips (this is not something only deaf people benefit from).

Kinect 2 will use a combination of voice data and facial recognition to improve accuracy.

 

[snoopeasystreet]

*Throws controller at assailant*

YUP

You'll probably miss. Ubisoft's self defense training has turned my foot into what may as well be a dick kicking guided missile.

 

[Always-honest]

Wait what the fuck? I just played Fruit Ninja Kinect the other day.

And why not count dancing games? I ordered Dance Central 2 on Black Friday and caaannnn't waaaiiiitttt.

Why not not count Mario games for 3DS, I mean lol, like, wow.

because the dancing games are actually great on kinect so they disprove my point that it sucks ass. And it does... for proper games.

Mario games on DS are still great games with good reliable controls.

 

[Ghost]

I do really hope that there is a next gen Kinect coming with the next xbox, really seems like to move beyond where kinect games are at the moment we need higher resolution imaging, wider angle lenses and a better data transfer mechanism.

I am a bit worried though that the business will decide that they cant risk alienating all the people that bought 1st gen Kinects.

 

[mrklaw]

yes, and kinect 1 was going to make you a cup of tea while reading your thoughts..

I'm sure it'll be better, but the first one was going to have a lot of processing onboard to reduce the data transferred to the host and that didn't happen. And now this one sounds like an entire 360 with a camera attached.

read lips? Sense emotion? Peter Molydeux must be champing at the bit with new ideas

Imagine a game where you lost both your arms in a war and have to communicate with a deaf kid.

lol


Officially licensed 'Tommy' Pinball game

 

[M3d10n]

Wait, a SKU with no optical drive nor hard-drive? WTF? So you cannot play retail games and can at most download one or two full games (considering it has 8-16GBs of built-in memory) without buying an overpriced HDD?

 

[AdventureRacing]

It's going to be interesting to see how 3rd parties react next gen considering the different approaches it looks like each platform holder is taking.

 

[Slair]

Peter Molyneux to announce deaf Milo DLC?

 

[thelurkinghorror]

Se we have a Kinect Live machine who use only digital delivery and a real Xbox (maybe an addon for the fist setup?) capable of playing triple A games?

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

because the dancing games are actually great on kinect so they disprove my point that it sucks ass. And it does... for proper games.

Mario games on DS are still great games with good reliable controls.

Wait but how is Dance Central not a proper game aaaaaaaaaa --

Oh wait, you just said your point is terrible.

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

You'll probably miss. Ubisoft's self defense training has turned my foot into what may as well be a dick kicking guided missile.

I'm intrigued by the possibility of turning my foot into the self-defence equivalent of a war crime. I shall buy your wares, salesman.

 

[Alx]

Popular fanboy myth. Kinect isn't hampered by USB. It's hampered by laughably low-res camera sensors. USB ports don't share bandwidth either. That's not even possible on a serial (USB) interface. Basically the entire article (and thus the OP) is bollocks.

Uh, of course it is hampered by USB, you can even observe it firsthand with the different SDKs on PC, official or not : you can retrieve raw data @ 640x480 precision from the sensor, the only reason why the 360 doesn't do it is because it takes too much bandwidth.
Compression could have helped, but it also adds latency and computing ressources, and reduce measurement precision.
USB is not really a good protocol, especially for video streaming. It's an old problem, but since it's the most common standard, engineers have to deal with it.

 

[Rebel Leader]

[Sneeze]bullshit[/Sneeze]

I doubt it

 

[chogidogs]

It better be able to scan my skateboard!!!

 

[PSGames]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-25-kinect-2-so-accurate-it-can-lip-read

Eurogamer understands Loop was the codename of Microsoft's early motion-sensing technology that predated Nintendo's July 2008 Wii Motion Plus announcement. It was a device that wrapped around a player's arm, and was said to be more accurate than both the Wii and the PlayStation Move controller.

Microsoft told Eurogamer it "does not comment on rumour or speculation".[/I]

A loop that you wear on your wrists that can sense movements sounds pretty cool actually.

 

[SuperSonic1305]

Detect when you are angry? Microsoft copies Sony AGAIN!

 

[Feep]

Thanx to all the people that bought this crap, Microsoft now thinks it's a succes. It's NOT Microsoft. People bought it, yes. But it's still fucking crap. And it CAN NOT EVER READ LIPS.

Don't base all your games on this CRAP cause i won't buy it like i never bought Kinect in the fucking first place (i don't dance).

This is coming from someone who loves the wiimote and the PS3 disco dildo. I love the touchscreens, the DS, etc. I'm open to new control styles. But Kinect just sucks donkey balls.

GameFAQs™ Post of the Year

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Wait, a SKU with no optical drive nor hard-drive? WTF? So you cannot play retail games and can at most download one or two full games (considering it has 8-16GBs of built-in memory) without buying an overpriced HDD?

It is probably a Windows 8 media box for netflix/hulu/zune that uses xbox/kinect technology, not the actual 720. If it runs games at all, it will probably be streaming service based. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a repurposed 360 slim with Kinect 2 (launches fall 2012), with the real next gen Xbox gaming console launching in 2013 with something close to the rumored specs in that other thread, which also runs as a windows 8/kinect 2 media box.

 

[Vanillalite]

Next gen = same graphics, better waggle?

We'll get 1080p next gen and I don't give a fuck who says whatever on this. For me I can tell a big gosh damn difference with sub 1 million pixels verses over 2 million.

BTW even if this is bundled in I see no reason it won't be feasible if MS went with USB3 ports verses USB2. Even if they just had one USB3 port dedicated for Kinect, and left the rest USB2 for the regular controllers.

 

[Tom Penny]

Kinect is and will continue to be the future of gaming. It just needs some compelling software to go with the great technology.

 

[red731]

I would write something about buying it to GF when abroad, buying myself "LIPlight" and said xbox and have some sexy time - but I wont write that.

 

[Always-honest]

Kinect is and will continue to be the future of gaming. It just needs some compelling software to go with the great technology.

There are a ton of great things to do with Kinect. When it can be used for more than just the xbox, you will see some great stuff. I know a couple of guys wanting to make things for Kinect for over years now. They have some great ideas for casinos with it.

It's not that i'm against the technology of Kinect. I just don't see much use for it in gaming as it is now. But i'm sure there will be a couple of great ideas even for gaming. Thus far i haven't seen anything really fitting (not counting the dancing games...^@$# ;P)

GameFAQs™ Post of the Year

Must be my Gamspot roots.
But yeah.. i'm not that thrilled with the agressive methods Microsoft is using to get us to use Kinect. Cause it's not a great way to control games.

 

[ced]

Kinect is and will continue to be the future of gaming. It just needs some compelling software to go with the great technology.

You get that quote from MS?

 

[Roland Deschain]

because the dancing games are actually great on kinect so they disprove my point that it sucks ass. And it does... for proper games.

Mario games on DS are still great games with good reliable controls.

We got a group of friends together last weekend and played Kinect Sports and Dance Central. Worked great and everyone had fun. I also play Child Of Eden regularly and I prefer the Kinect controls to the controller. I've also heard good things about Gunstringer and Fruit Ninja.

 

[BlazingDarkness]

Sounds like a crock of shit.

 

[RedShift]

2001 reference should have been first post, disappointing.

GET IT TOGETHER GAF

 

[Opus Angelorum]

You only have to look at Siri to see where technology is heading.

Voice control is certainly something Microsoft can legitimately sell as being unique amongst home consoles.

 

[Feature]

Which lips?

Spoiler

jokes, but yea this sounds pretty unlikely...

 

[Dabanton]

You get that quote from MS?

Tom Penny is a 'parody' poster you'd do well not to respond lest you look silly.

 

[Castor Krieg]

You only have to look at Siri to see where technology is heading.

Voice control is certainly something Microsoft can legitimately sell as being unique amongst home consoles.

Voice control =/= lip reading. It's simply impossible to do it with high accuracy in a commercially-viable product.

Right now lip-reading is done by people. There are plenty of situations, where disagreements rise due to inability to read some lip movements. You need context for that, electronic device won't provide you with context.

Then we get into the whole accents, pronunciation errors, etc.

Voice control will end up being similar - you would need a lot of processing power to analyze the tone of voice, pitch, etc. Just because you can do stupid one word commands in Kinect does not mean the technology will develop by the same order of magnitude as CPU, RAM, etc. The box is for playing video games, and watching crap TV shows, FFS!


Microsoft at its best - PR bullshit.

 

[Darklord]

How about you get the first one kinda functioning before talking about the next one?

 

[Danielsan]

A well working Kinect 2 + a small (think Wii nun-chuck) wireless analog control input and it might actual result in games that aren't pure garbage. Until then I'm not interested.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Voice control =/= lip reading. It's simply impossible to do it with high accuracy in a commercially-viable product.

Right now lip-reading is done by people. There are plenty of situations, where disagreements rise due to inability to read some lip movements. You need context for that, electronic device won't provide you with context.

Then we get into the whole accents, pronunciation errors, etc.

Voice control will end up being similar - you would need a lot of processing power to analyze the tone of voice, pitch, etc. Just because you can do stupid one word commands in Kinect does not mean the technology will develop by the same order of magnitude as CPU, RAM, etc. The box is for playing video games, and watching crap TV shows, FFS!


Microsoft at its best - PR bullshit.

This isn't PR.

 

[DireStr8s]

Kinect is an offshoot of gaming; a sub-genre.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

It's simply impossible to do it with high accuracy in a commercially-viable product.

Research into digital lip reading has been ongoing for quite some time now, the only reason it has not came to prevalence is due to the lack of mass market requirements.

This was from two years ago:

boffins-create-lip-reading-computer/

 

[C.Dark.DN]

Doesn't say anything about it being built in. That'd be dumb with entertainment centers.