Thunder Monkey
Banned
If it's your first
Lanayru
I haven't beaten it yet and I've played for hours more still.
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The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword |OT| Home of Punkin' Chunkin' Champion 2011
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I haven't beaten it yet and I've played for hours more still.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
I really really like the way they did the
this time. Visually and controlwise. I'm a believer in motion+ aiming after this game.
bow and arrow
decoyplatypus
Member
In total play-time, you've got a ways to go. You're less than halfway through the game.
Yeah this pretty much sums it up. Each of the games have had something that pleases a certain crowd, I don't think any Zelda can please everyone (unless it's called OOT), but reading your impressions no wonder you liked TP best. That game was such a beast.
You get it surprisingly late in the game. Third last dungeon, I think.
brandonh83
Banned
It's the last tool you get.
ohhh-- I thought you were just being mean or something. vindicated!
Lord_Byron28
Member
This game really reminds me of SM64 and other N64 platformers. I mean this in a good way and also in a way that I can see why people who don't like that style of game probably has issues with this game. The area layout(not counting the dungeons) feels very similar. You've got your main hub world and explorable area and then you got a couple areas you can hop to from there. It also requires you to go through the same area multiple times to access and obtain different things but most of the time new gameplay elements are introduced.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
I don't think I've ever seen duck be mean... needlessly mean... usually he has a good reason... I got nothing.
darkjedi187
Member
Does anyone know the conditions to get the Moonlight merchant to appear?
MatthewB92
Member
Question about a minigame. Putting spoilers because you unlock the mini game late in the game.
Where the hell is this last bug?!?!?!? I'm doing the caught 10 bugs thing but for the life of me can't find the primantis!! Done this 5 times and can't find it :| . help!!!
On the 'roof', there's a grouping of three pots. Destroy them and the mantis comes out.
OoT and MM had a few standout tracks, but I remember them being mostly ambient. TP was different in that regard, but I think it's inferior to Spirit Tracks, Wind Waker, and Skyward Sword. It's not bad, but a lot of the good songs are reused from past games. I agree its boss themes were fantastic, and I love its variation on Hyrule field. The main theme was okay. It just never really stuck with me, and seemed a lot more flat than other entries. I hated everything in the twilight realm. Hated the twilight enemy encounter music, if you can even call it "music."
SS's music is soaring and joyous. I can't say that TP's soundtrack was bad, I just wouldn't use it as a point when emphasizing what the game got right.
I've been saying this since it was released: Twilight Princess is the peak of what traditional OoT-style Zelda can be. There's no beating it. There's little reason to try. Anything else in that vein will feel derivative and lacking, the only improvements can be visual. It is so packed with size and content that the two words that come to mind when I think of it are "more bigger."
Electric Brain
Neo Member
Really nice thoughts and interesting spin.
I'm not a huge TP lover, myself, which felt like they were trying to perfect Ocarina, rather than make TP it's own thing. For some reason, I can't remember a lot of it, except for the boring start. I really liked the fishing, though.
But you're entitled to like it as much as you did. I just wanted to say, though, that after Skyward Sword, I have a feeling TP is gng to be so weird to play, what with the motion controls being so limited.
I think Skyward Sword is hugely enjoyable, and that it takes all the bst bits from many previous zeldas and mostly successfully blends them together. For example, it has the style and whimsy of WW, the modelling and storytelling sensibilities of TP, a hub world like MM, a more straight forward dungeon sequence like ocarina, and a lot of 'feel' like ALTTP. The game world also feels a lot like Mario 64 and the like.
In that way, there's so much to love about Skyward Sword. I think it feels like it's way shorter and/or lighter because the progression has a much more obvious pattern. I'm trying to Recall what TP was like, but I'm finding it difficult. I do remember enjoying it once the world opened up and I was free to explore, but I hated having the restriction with the twilit, which seemed to last such along time. Maybe it was because it was so long ago.
Starwolf_UK
Member
So like aside from the shop and a certain potion is there any way to cure the shield gauge? The shield gets too damaged too quickly for my liking and its annoying having to backtrack. Its making me think of seeing if there is a infinate shield stamina ocarina code.
Wii MotionPlus is light and the controller still feels fine though I have to admit I'm not finding the controls easy which makes me wonder if there is something different about it (as in centre of mass etc).
I heard Wii Remote Plus is actuallly lighter than a normal remote (smaller rumble?).
Probably not the right person to ask (MotionPlus only here as I didn't like the Gold Remote Plus due having white buttons [stike]and missed the Sainsburys deal[/s])
Wii MotionPlus is light and the controller still feels fine though I have to admit I'm not finding the controls easy which makes me wonder if there is something different about it (as in centre of mass etc).
I heard Wii Remote Plus is actuallly lighter than a normal remote (smaller rumble?).
decoyplatypus
Member
I think the third shield you can buy slowly repairs itself, but I never used that one. Shields are only useful against a few enemy types. My advice is to keep it in your bag until then.
Of course, the best thing you can do is obtain the "really sturdy shield" available to you toward the end of the game.
The stars in Mario games signify beating a test of skills the game expects you to have at the time you're playing the level. Star coins are additional tests of your skills to not only find hidden objects but in many cases make use of game mechanics to get to difficult to reach areas.
The pre-dungeon fetch quests have not been that outside of the
two power generators in the pre-dungeon 3
Running around in a circle to get to the five dirt holes with pieces in them isn't exactly gameplay. You're not required to hunt anything because its fairly straight forward, and there have been basically zero thought required to advance. Its physical padding. It isn't that you've slowed down because you're trying to figure out something, you just keep running forward.
Wind Waker was also heavily criticized for the shit triforce piece hunting part, and rightfully so. And if you're talking about the 'collect the Big Daddy pieces' part of Bioshock oddly enough that is also the worst part of Bioshock. Crazy. The issue here is that those games didn't inject those periodically throughout the entire fucking experience. There is an obvious patter of pre-dungeon padding followed by a dungeon, and its really ruined the pacing of the game.
How the hell can something that is used frequently throughout the game be something to get the ball rolling with gameplay? I can see maybe a 20 minute tutorial doing that, but after that there is no need for that shit.
And the collect sections are exactly like WoW collection quests. You don't run in straight line, they scatter the items around in a certain area that usually involves some amount of terrain navigation to get to or move around in. Exactly the same as the pre-dungeon 2 area! Hell, right clicking on an interactable gadget is exactly the same as spamming A to dig at holes. The only difference is WoW has enough experience to give you all the rewards for interacting with an object once instead of forcing multiple interactions of a repetitive nature, and that terrain navigation is quicker in WoW because of mounts and no annoying stamina bar.
Which brings up, why the hell did it take so long to in dungeon 3 to
blow away certain patches of sand? The dungeon was cool and I enjoyed it a lot, but the pacing felt a bit thrown off when I had to stand in front of a pile of sand for 10 seconds, when they could have just done a quick little cutscene to blow all the sand off and let me go on my way.
Tarin02543
Member
Slurpy2k20
Member
Just deal with it until you can get better shields. A much better option should be available from the gear shop soon. Save up your rupees.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Just had to say this.
Skyward Sword is the single prettiest game I've ever played.
I've played many more that are technically in a league way above it, but none that have this level of visual consistency. Nothing seems out of place, damn near every texture looks painted, and that filter seals it.
Until the framerate dropped like a rock I hadn't felt even a slight bit of motion sickness either.
Skyward Sword is the single prettiest game I've ever played.
I've played many more that are technically in a league way above it, but none that have this level of visual consistency. Nothing seems out of place, damn near every texture looks painted, and that filter seals it.
Until the framerate dropped like a rock I hadn't felt even a slight bit of motion sickness either.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Correct.
Slurpy2k20
Member
Have patience, it takes 5-7 minutes. You have to stay in 1 spot, and slooowly move your net back and forth with a perfectly consistent tempo. If it doesn't work, try again from another spot. Catching a fish enables you to unlock one of the coolest secrets in the game.
Electric Brain
Neo Member
You have valid points. I do agree with liking to explore and discover on my own rather than forced to. I guess it's a taste thing. I just prefer to do it on my own. But I do see it as Nintendo's way of injecting a constant pacing - I imagine doing it the more traditional way, people would complain about getting lost and it being empty and nothing to do. I do like how they have attempted it this way, to stop being in the same formula.
And about your last thoughts about using a 'cutscene' in place of actually doing it yourself - that's kinda silly. If you feel that playing a small bit of interactivity is a chore, maybe movies are more your thing. The whole point is to do stuff yourself. I get your point, but it's along the lines of 'I don,t want to aim my bow and hit a target, it should just give me a cutscenes and move on'. There's obviously a line for where you draw interactivity and cutscene (like you don't want to have to turn door handles to open them), but I don't think your example crossed it.
Its less about interactivity and more about speed. It just felt unnecessarily slow, I guess another solution is just make sure the
sand piles are blown away at a faster rate so you don't have to stand there motionless for 10 seconds
Hell, its even comparable to the
dig gloves, because technically when you hit the A button you lose control of Link and it behaves like a cinematic.
shadyspace
Banned
Wha? What are some good spots to try this?
I'm honestly surprised we weren't forced to
make a digging motion with the wiimote and nunchuk.
It's like the things they incorporated motion control into were pulled randomly from a hat.
EmCeeGramr
Member
Wait, what?
I agree with this.
The thing about Twilight Princess though... for me, it was like being forced to eat tons of steak, when I wanted a little more variety. Like you said for a steak (dungeons/puzzles) lover, it's great. But for someone who wanted even a little bit of something else (interesting NPCs, sidequests, not-fetch quests, not-an overly long intro, not-wolf link... you get the picture), it definitely felt lacking by the end.
Still a fun game, though. But easily the weakest of the 3D Zeldas.
I would just add: you're also forced to eat some salad between the steak, and I hate salad.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Your bowels must hate you.
My digestive tract is a mess.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
I've got pills that can fix the digestive tract, but pills that make salad taste like steak? Haven't found any yet.
Problem is that you think that salad should taste like steak.
How about just taste good?
Thunder Monkey
Banned
I can't say much.
My diet consists of cigarettes, a smoke-able green herbal supplement, caffeine, and three kinds of cheeses.
Three cheeses? Disgusting. One of those better at least be mozarella.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
shadyspace
Banned
Haven't found word one on catching fish.
Metroid Killer
Member
Ok this got me in the mood to revisit all dungeons from the main 3D Zeldas.
Wind Waker
■ Forsaken Fortress: Uhh is this even a full dungeon? Way too short and boring. The boss was cool, that's it. (2/10)
■ Ganon's Tower: Ok for a final dungeon I guess. I liked the split sections which resembled mini-dungeons of the previous dungeons of the game. However they were pretty much just one rather easy room each. Cool boss fights. (4/10)
■ Wind Temple: A rather bland dungeon. Both puzzles, the visuals and the music was rather lacking. Boring bossfight. (4/10)
■ Forbidden Woods: Average dungeon. Somewhat short and nothing special in particular about. Nice atmosphere and both the mini and big bosses were visual treats. (5/10)
■ Tower of the Gods: Average dungeon. Puzzles and difficulty was nice, but the overal design was rather bland. (5/10)
■ Earth Temple: Pretty cool dungeon. Liked the atmosphere (damn those floor masters). And the puzzles with Medli(sp?) and the mirror shield were very cool. Odd boss fight. (7/10)
■ Dragon Roost Cavern: Really nice for a intro dungeon. Very cool that it changed from the lava design to outside of a mountain throughout. Cool item and bossfight. (7/10)
Majora's Mask (note I haven't played MM since beating it at release)
■ Great Bay Temple: Confusing temple! Rather boring in design. Ok bossfight. (5/10)
■ Woodfall Temple: Nice first temple. Had an awesome 'dense' atmosphere. Short but good. Cool bossfight. (6/10)
■ Snowhead Temple: Pretty cool dungeon. Liked the vertical trick of the dungeon. Goron parts were fun. Cool bossfight. (7/10)
■ Stone Tower Temple: Such an awesome temple. Loved the atmosphere and design of the dungeon. Giant's Mask was awesome and so was the boss fights. (10/10)
Ocarina of Time (note I haven't played OoT since beating it again a few years after release)
■ Dodongo's Cavern: Average dungeon. Short and not much going for it in the puzzle department. Average bossfight. (4/10)
■ Inside Jabu-Jabu's Belly: Average dungeon. Liked the puzzles except escorting the Zora. Visually it was too much of the same damn pink. Boring bossfight. (5/10)
■ Fire Temple: Ok dungeon. Visually it was rather bland. But ok puzzles. Cool item and bossfight. (6/10)
■ Water Temple: Ok dungeon. Was stuck for a looong time, very confusing design. Boring item, but cool mini-boss and boss fight. (6/10)
■ Inside Ganon's Castle: Best end dungeon in the series. Split sections actually had some meat to them. Really awesome bossfights (7/10)
■ Inside the Deku Tree: Short but cool dungeon. Simple and easy puzzles, but interesting design nevertheless. Great atmosphere. Great boss. (7/10)
■ Spirit Temple: Cool dungeon. Nice idea with using time travel as key in puzzles. Great atmosphere and nice bossfight. (7/10)
■ Shadow Temple: Great dungeon. Really unique atmosphere and a lot of cool rooms (9/10)
■ Forest Temple: Awesome dungeon. Such a great atmosphere, especially the music added a lot to it. Simple puzzles, but some very memorable rooms (twisting corridor!). Awesome bossfight (10/10)
you mean 10/10
Joei
Member
I'm at the same spot you are. So far, the game reminds me so much of a 2d Zeld, LttP specifically, in that they really try to fit a lot of material into every area. There's not a lot of empty space in the overworld like in the other 3d Zeldas and the dungeon so far has been pretty neat.