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Media Create Sales: Week 48, 2011 (Nov 28 - Dec 04)

Not true it seems. Apparently the old 'main' team (MH, MHDos, MHTri) was divided in two to work on MHTriG and MH4.

The MHP team should be free, but that doesn't mean that they are making a MH game.
This isn't exactly true either. There aren't fully formed and functional separate main/portable teams, there's different leads with a lot of shared staff under them. The Portable leads might be free, but that doesn't mean the team that made the Portable games is.
 
So, uh, predictions next week are a bitch, don't see how to do them, enlighten me (Chris, Road I trust thee):
- So there's Vita HW and a fucking huge list to pick from. I'll pick like 8 and if something doesn't chart, so be it.
- Normal week stuff there's FFXIII PS3 and Inazuma 3DS, but just those two? Adding FFXIII 360, Penguin game on 3DS would be biasing rankings heavily, but not sure if including a 3DS HW and MH3G 2nd week (or something like that) to have more than just 2.
- Huge set means huge posts on huge threads lately, should we take this week into a new specific thread so we don't clutter this one?
- Rankings, not sure either, on 3DS launch there was an overall and a 3DS specific (so 6+6=12 medals, 4 winners) but maybe its better to have both separate (normal and vita) and the overall (thus 6+6+6=18 medals, 6 winners)? Like the 3DS launch it kinda nullifies normal week stuff, opposed to having each separate.

I'm going to drown in excel sheets at this rate, but hey, a special week is special, if we have to unleash the kraken so be it.

PD: Kenka, why did you predict twice in the last thread? Or was the 2nd a comment on Road's predictions (altering 1 entry making me doubtful). I took the first.
 

Izayoi

Banned
I'll play it when it's $15.
So you admit to bashing on the series without having played the latest entry? One which addresses almost all of your complaints about the alleged formula.

That seems kind of silly to me. You are right to be weary after the ugly trainwreck that was TP, but SS blows that pile of shit out of the water. I would play it before making claims that the series has stagnated beyond the hope of recovery.
 
Sure, but, I mean, what's the benefit of continuing the franchise at its current rate? It helps Nintendo rest on their laurels, it lets them make a guaranteed (but shrinking) profit off each release, it keeps the "brand" visible -- I don't see these as particularly beneficial compared to the benefits of real, long-term curation.

I mean, institutional memory is a real challenge here. If we assume Zelda is on a slow franchise decline and it being overly formulaic is a contributor to that, how do you fix that problem without resting the series or handing it out to someone completely outside the current dev environment?



I'll play it when it's $15.
Nintendo managed to make Mario 64, then Sunshine and then Galaxy. I guess the problem with Zelda, if there is a major problem to begin with, resides in conscious design choices, rather than they really believing some stuff become dull but not being able to do something about it.

I sheepishly believed Zelda's cap to be much more than few millions, but I guess it will never become a Mario. Though maybe I am wrong, Elders Scrolls really expanded its market.
 

Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
So, uh, predictions next week are a bitch, don't see how to do them, enlighten me (Chris, Road I trust thee):
- So there's Vita HW and a fucking huge list to pick from. I'll pick like 8 and if something doesn't chart, so be it.
- Normal week stuff there's FFXIII PS3 and Inazuma 3DS, but just those two? Adding FFXIII 360, Penguin game on 3DS would be biasing rankings heavily, but not sure if including a 3DS HW and MH3G 2nd week (or something like that) to have more than just 2.
- Huge set means huge posts on huge threads lately, should we take this week into a new specific thread so we don't clutter this one?
- Rankings, not sure either, on 3DS launch there was an overall and a 3DS specific (so 6+6=12 medals, 4 winners) but maybe its better to have both separate (normal and vita) and the overall (thus 6+6+6=18 medals, 6 winners)? Like the 3DS launch it kinda nullifies normal week stuff, opposed to having each separate.

I'm going to drown in excel sheets at this rate, but hey, a special week is special, if we have to unleash the kraken so be it.

Maybe you should go only for a set with the 2 top games, Vita hw and 2 Vita games. There aren't the very big releases and most games will move low numbers comparing to the big ones making predictions very difficult. Either way you decide.

As for moving predictions to a seperate thread it's not very functional as the thread would have to remain active so that people can see it.
 

[Nintex]

Member
Twilight Princess >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skyward Sword.

Arbiters Grounds >>>> First half of the Wind Waker >>>> most of Twilight Princess >>>> Skyward Sword Dungeon 4 >>>> second half of Skyward Sword >>>> second half of the Wind Waker >>>> Twilight Princess introduction >>>> Skyward Sword introduction

Midna >>> King of Red Lions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (x infinity) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (x 100000) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fi
 
Maybe you should go only for a set with the 2 top games, Vita hw and 2 Vita games. There aren't the very big releases and most games will move low numbers comparing to the big ones making predictions very difficult. Either way you decide.

As for moving predictions to a seperate thread it's not very functional as the thread would have to remain active so that people can see it.
Hmm, that's not a bad idea at all but it sounds like austerity measures to help the spaniard get through this...that must make you the german! Hah, I'm still not sure where are you from but from now on I'm going to picture you as a german (the perfect excel database makes more sense now). Still, my spaniard proud is probably going to make one big invincible army of predictions this week (to be sunk by next week). Will be a good way to go.
 
Twilight Princess >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skyward Sword.

Pretty much. I would't go as far as saying TP is better in every way, but then even SS's stronger points come with qualifications. SS's graphics are better, for example, but there's less visual variety.
 
So you admit to bashing on the series without having played the latest entry?

Well, that's kind of the point of the digression, right? The series has been so consistently mediocre and unrewarding for the last decade that I'm not willing to bite even when the anonymous masses attempt to reassure me that things are different this time we swear. I don't think it's crazy to imagine that a lot of people feel the same way.

Plus I mean, frankly the people whose opinions I trust from experience have been more negative than posiive! If duckroll says it's worse than Twilight Princess...
 

Izayoi

Banned
Plus I mean, frankly the people whose opinions I trust from experience have been more negative than posiive! If duckroll says it's worse than Twilight Princess...
He did nothing but gush while actually playing it. I wouldn't take his "opinion" at face value.
 
So, uh, predictions next week are a bitch, don't see how to do them, enlighten me (Chris, Road I trust thee):
- So there's Vita HW and a fucking huge list to pick from. I'll pick like 8 and if something doesn't chart, so be it.
- Normal week stuff there's FFXIII PS3 and Inazuma 3DS, but just those two? Adding FFXIII 360, Penguin game on 3DS would be biasing rankings heavily, but not sure if including a 3DS HW and MH3G 2nd week (or something like that) to have more than just 2.
- Huge set means huge posts on huge threads lately, should we take this week into a new specific thread so we don't clutter this one?
- Rankings, not sure either, on 3DS launch there was an overall and a 3DS specific (so 6+6=12 medals, 4 winners) but maybe its better to have both separate (normal and vita) and the overall (thus 6+6+6=18 medals, 6 winners)? Like the 3DS launch it kinda nullifies normal week stuff, opposed to having each separate.

I'm going to drown in excel sheets at this rate, but hey, a special week is special, if we have to unleash the kraken so be it.

PD: Kenka, why did you predict twice in the last thread? Or was the 2nd a comment on Road's predictions (altering 1 entry making me doubtful). I took the first.


Why not have just have to seperate predictions. One for Top 4 releases outside of Vita then a prediction for Vita plus its top 4 titles. Maybe that's too hard, don't really know what goes into it.
 

canvee

Member
Twilight princess was the first Zelda game I had ever played and I absolutely loved it. On the other hand, I understand why longtime players may find the series increasingly stale. Nonetheless Twilight princess was still amazing to me. Also playing Twilight princess first has made it hard for me to really get into the older games.
 

DCharlie

And even i am moderately surprised
There isn't any reason to keep the portable brand alive now that the mainline series is on a portable...

the portable brand is the one selling 5m units, not the MH<number> mainline -right now-.

I think we'd have to see how MH3G does first before they decide to drop "portable". Again, i don't believe Capcom are done with "portable"
 

Jonnyram

Member
What happened to this thread? lol

Re: Monster Hunter "clones"
God Eater devs have already been talking about Vita on their dev blogs. It is likely that will go there.
Phantasy Star Portable - noone knows. That's the OG in this genre though. I imagine they'll try and get PSO2 popular before releasing a new PSP.
The Square one is on Vita/PSP (it's crap anyway).
Besides, I'm pretty sure we'll see MH on Vita in one form or another :p Capcom supports hardware, even when it's not doing massively well sales-wise. Look at the GC and original Xbox.
 

cvxfreak

Member
The average MH player can't be dumb enough to miss the fact that Tri G is just as legit as Portable 3rd and vice versa... right? What's in a name?

Monster Hunter Portable Tri G for epic massive Vita damage!
 

Gravijah

Member
The average MH player can't be dumb enough to miss the fact that Tri G is just as legit as Portable 3rd and vice versa... right? What's in a name?

Monster Hunter Portable Tri G for epic massive Vita damage!

maybe they think it's like crystal chronicles
 

DCharlie

And even i am moderately surprised
The average MH player can't be dumb enough to miss the fact that Tri G is just as legit as Portable 3rd and vice versa... right? What's in a name?

Check out Wii MHTri sales and Monster Hunter Frontier and tell me that what you think?

though i agree the -name- itself _IS_ superceded by it actually being portable, i think it's Japanese people who sometimes need it SCREAMED at them!

Monster Hunter Portable Tri G for epic massive Vita damage!

keep dreaming that dream - you've been talking about it for months now! THE POWER OF MONSTER HUNTER! ;)

800k G-Bomba unko-bomb incoming! ;)
 

cvxfreak

Member
Check out Wii MHTri sales and Monster Hunter Frontier and tell me that what you think?

though i agree the -name- itself _IS_ superceded by it actually being portable, i think it's Japanese people who sometimes need it SCREAMED at them!



keep dreaming that dream - you've been talking about it for months now! THE POWER OF MONSTER HUNTER! ;)

800k G-Bomba unko-bomb incoming! ;)

Capcom needs to unite the two series branches eventually, if there is indeed this huge gulf between the two.

Luckily, names are the easiest things to change in a game's development. If the name matters, fuck MH4 and just go directly to MHP4. :p
 

DCharlie

And even i am moderately surprised
Capcom needs to unite the two series branches eventually, if there is indeed this huge gulf between the two.

Luckily, names are the easiest things to change in a game's development. If the name matters, fuck MH4 and just go directly to MHP4. :p

well, excluding iOS we have three distinct branches of MH ("mainline", Portable, Frontier) - however, i'm interested to see if the trailer for MH4 is indicitive of a change in direction or whether it's just a target for some new ideas.

There may also be some objection or agreement regarding the "portable" name from prior agreements with Sony (?)
 

Erethian

Member
Check out Wii MHTri sales and Monster Hunter Frontier and tell me that what you think?

though i agree the -name- itself _IS_ superceded by it actually being portable, i think it's Japanese people who sometimes need it SCREAMED at them!

Presumably they'd know when they're buying it on a portable system or not.
 

cw_sasuke

If all DLC came tied to $13 figurines, I'd consider all DLC to be free
Why? It's a piss easy way to get out of exclusivity deals, surely.

Iwata must be an idiot I guess, if he secured the exclusivity.

I could see them putting frontier type mmo game on Vita though - but IF it sells on 3DS why split the fanbase even further. Every Capcom 3DS title is published by NoE these days, so will Tri G. At this point MH on 3DS will have to bomb to get a Vita version.
 
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