Hang on, what was the Tokyo demo? Did we ever get to see it? Or do you mean the hawk bit of the bird demo...?
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Wii U Speculation Thread of Brains Beware: Wii U Re-Unveiling At E3 2012
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Hang on, what was the Tokyo demo? Did we ever get to see it? Or do you mean the hawk bit of the bird demo...?
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-Pyromaniac-
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it's so last gen
bgassassin
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There was a demo behind closed doors that was a recording of driving around Tokyo and they could use the controller to look around.
i don't really dislike the wiimote, but when given a choice between wiimote vs u-pad (gamepad + touch screen) i definitely prefer the latter. touchscreen+buttons, imo, is nearly perfect, and a home console version of the ds (one of the best systems ever) sounds like heaven to me.
I assume you're kidding, but I imagine someone out there is thinking it and it's really hilarious given the other companies' controllers.
I see I'm not the only one more than hyped for the year of Wii U given all the posts in the last page or so. Come on Nintendo, we're ready for news. Priveledged 3rd parties who don't mind an NDA breach or two are also welcome. 
Retro on StarTropics is still my favorite dream pairing of an IP and dev team in recent times, beating out Platinum Games on Megaman/Jet Set Radio.
Retro on StarTropics is still my favorite dream pairing of an IP and dev team in recent times, beating out Platinum Games on Megaman/Jet Set Radio.
-Pyromaniac-
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I am joking, but I am seriously against it. I don't mind it at all as a secondary input option that they keep around for those that did enjoy it for the Wii, but I like the u-Pad and I think all the big games should focus on that.
There are flaws with it, and it'll be nice if they're ironed out.
I think the Wiimote could be fine-tuned and rebranded for the Wii U without costing too much in the R&D department. It could be bundled in with the system, along with the U-Pad.
But in all honestly I'm still not convinced with the implementation of the Wiimote at all, aside from a few games. I'd still much rather choose a more standard control system over it.
DCharlie
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I'm wondering where Nintendo are going with the Wii U and i'm starting to wonder if they're looking to "X360" the next gen where in the machine is -sufficiently- powerful enough to be the baseline machine for the next gen whilst not being the powerhouse machine.
As long as the machine clocks in around a certain level and given it may well lead the pack by a year (?) then the power difference between the machine and it's rivals maybe somewhat less important.
The other bonus for Nintendo is if there IS a year or so overlap with X360/PS3 and the machine is a significant step up then they may start getting the "hardcore" to start buying multiplatform games on their platform if they are noticably superior. I also expect the Wii U to absolutely hammer 3DS connectivity. It HAS to happen in fact.
All nintendo need is a big AAA game -at launch- and things get very very interesting. It's obvious to everyone they've upped their game recently and, if the Wii U is done well, it could be a move that cements Nintendo back at the top of the tree in both handheld and consoles. They just need further Sony/MS maliase and mis-steps and a change of heart by third party devs.
Short version : Nintendo - blood crazed shark frenzy mode - (((activate))) .
As long as the machine clocks in around a certain level and given it may well lead the pack by a year (?) then the power difference between the machine and it's rivals maybe somewhat less important.
The other bonus for Nintendo is if there IS a year or so overlap with X360/PS3 and the machine is a significant step up then they may start getting the "hardcore" to start buying multiplatform games on their platform if they are noticably superior. I also expect the Wii U to absolutely hammer 3DS connectivity. It HAS to happen in fact.
All nintendo need is a big AAA game -at launch- and things get very very interesting. It's obvious to everyone they've upped their game recently and, if the Wii U is done well, it could be a move that cements Nintendo back at the top of the tree in both handheld and consoles. They just need further Sony/MS maliase and mis-steps and a change of heart by third party devs.
Short version : Nintendo - blood crazed shark frenzy mode - (((activate))) .
Smiles and Cries
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And people say Nintendo behind closed doors at CES will have nothing but last E3 stuff :|
-Pyromaniac-
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ehhh, we'll know after their E3 conference if they are in serious fucking business mode or not. Should be interesting.
I think that clearly has to be their goal; the question is whether they can get the specs in tht sweet spot and get good 3rd party support right away.
-Pyromaniac-
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Nintendo has to be proactive, they can't provide all the tools and hope 3rd parties take advantage. They've lost mindshare with them, they're gonna have to be all up in their business and MAKE things happen. That's what I'm unsure about.
I know its custom, but it can still be "based on"
And how do we know that Eyefinity is being used?
Its not the only option Nintendo has.
DCharlie
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well, my prediction skills recently have been about as good as those of the guy who branded the Titanic "unsinkable" , but yes - E3 should be fun.
spec sweet spot : circa 580 / multi core cpu ? I've no idea what the spec sweet spot would be , shouldn't be difficult to trump X360/PS3, but they need to stay within touching distance of whatever the next gen is for the tactic to pay off. Plus they need to nail the timing and hope they are well priced and have enough room away from the other next gen machines.
Naked Prime
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If we are looking at an E3 reveal of both the Wii U & Next Xbox, Nnitendo knows they need to turn heads. I suspect MS next-gen offerings to mostly be limited to video at the show. That would give Nintendo an advantage by allowing them to show actual next-gen games you can play on the show floor (and that you'll be playing at home in 2 or so months). Lately it seems that Microsoft is trending down from exclusive 1st party titles in lieu of preferred Online/Live services. And while some of this can be attributed to them getting ready for the 360 succsessor, its a trend I think they will follow going forward. That would put Nintendo in a good spot with unique and creative software. Sure they'll be the dudebro ports for those that want them, but there will be core games that cater to the larger and more varied demographic of gamer.
I got a bit mixed up with the Eyefinity thing.I thought is was on the press realease, but now I remember that it was part of a rumor.
Anyway, my point is that it's custom, so you can't say, "4000 series can't do this, so neither can Wii U's GPU!" The limitations of the series are moot, especially in this case since that's actually related to software. (AMD could have added HD3D to the 4000 series if they wanted to.)
Yeah... This isn't the console for you. 580 is the maximum we'd expect out of Sony and Microsoft's consoles unless they launch in 2015. Wii U won't be more than half that.
Dreamwriter
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You're talking about a company that has secured two Monster Hunter titles (for the same system!) and probably temporary exclusivity, the Dragon Quest series as a whole, and mainline Resident Evil and Kingdom Hearts games.
E3 will tell, but I'm a little more hopeful.
Your right.
You know, the Wii, when it was revealed alongside the mighty PS3 and 360, was seriously outclassed. However, people were still impressed by Mario Galaxy, Prime & Twilight Princess, etc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RUKkWRK9gU
And the Wii became the number one console this generation.
Next E3 Sony and MS will not have the HD advantage. All three systems will be made for 1080p gaming. So even if their consoles on paper are more powerful, the differences visually will not be of the same magnitude between SD and HD. If Nintendo shows off anything as visually jaw dropping like Mario Galaxy for the WiiU next E3. I wouldn't want to be in their competitor's shoes.
So yes, it all comes down to games. Will Nintendo have enough potential system selling games by the time the next MS or Sony, console comes out? To give Nintendo a year or two head start, in my opinion, is a very dangerous thing to do.
I agree. I'm not convinced Nintendo have learnt their lesson in this regard. They need to come out all guns blazing and to do this, to me, includes some really strong 3rd party support. To get that I think they need to help some top notch devs financially and/or practically to deliver as opposed to just selling them a kit.
Spend some of the damned war chest Nintendo to blow our minds.
With consoles, they need western games. Sadly, western third-parties are too in love with Microsoft to make this easy for Nintendo.
bgassassin
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Well on the surface they seem to be building an Xbox 360 with 3x the L2 cache, RAM, and eDRAM, an OoO processor vs in-order, and a GPU with 2-3x the ALU count. Though it could be argued that 360 was the "true" successor to the Gamecube. But like you said it seems like they are targeting to be the baseline in development, which is a good thing.
And vinci, this is why I partially disagree with what you said earlier. Most consumers aren't concerned about what is being packed in with the launch console and how it relates to Wii. That defeats the purpose of the dudebro discussion the last page or so and the purpose of Nintendo even bothering with the improved specs to begin with. If what you said are what most consumers are concerned with, then they should have just focused on another Wii-level improvement.
I wouldn't even expect that as a max unless they launched in 2015.
AceBandage
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bgassassin
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Based on the way it was built? Yes. Indirectly built, but yes.
Smiles and Cries
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Oh here we go another 100 pages until E3!
Let me start Wii U = Dreamcast
Five.
It better be Five
Let me start Wii U = Dreamcast
Five.
It better be Five
-Pyromaniac-
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yeah but like said earlier in the thread, handheld is a different ball game.
Naked Prime
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so much truth
Pretty much. Nintendo could offer them a console multiple times more powerful than MS' next gen console, easier to develop for, etc etc.. and I'm convinced that most western developers would still find some cheesy-ass excuse to avoid Nintendo's platform.
Just a hunch.
MadOdorMachine
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I hope Wii U is the true successor to GC. Man that was a great system. I really hope they keep most games with traditional controls and treat the remote like Sony & Microsoft treat Move & Kinect. I'm so tired of waggling the controller in place of pressing a button. Only in a few cases have I found the remote to actually offer something better.
I don't wan to jump into some conspiracy theory BS, but I wouldn't be surprised. I doubt anyone even doubts whether or not the next PS3 or Xbox will get 3rd Party support. It's pretty much a given, but here we are speculating whether or not the Wii U will get support and there's no guarantee they will get it...for whatever reason. What irritated me the the most was when they had Ken Levine on their highlight reel, but then he says basically they're not supporting the system. All I can do is shake my head.
specialguy
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Lol? I dont even know if such a thing is even possible.gif
It would be exceedingly expensive to exceed a decent specced next gen box by "multiples" within a couple years of it's launch. If there's one thing I think Nintendo is allergic too, it's expensive hardware.
I was being hyperbolic.
I've listened to a good number of old podcasts from 2006, and the number of non-commital-but-leading positive comments from developers regarding the Wii is impressive. They talked big before the release, and when the time came to put something on the shelves, a lot of them were all talk. Which is why I now take an "I'll believe it when I see it, bitches!" attitude.
You do realize that up until the Wii, Nintendo's console was usually considered the most powerful or at least competitive with the most powerful actual competitor?
And that the winner of each generation barring barring the debatable SNES/Genesis generation was always won by the weakest console?
I don't know why it's impossible for Nintendo to make a beefy console.
Third parties will support whatever platform will make them money.
The only reason why Western Third Parties would avoid Wii U, even more so if it was easy to port software would be if Wii U isn't able to sale enough copies to make it worth it.
The fact is these compaines are companies first and will always go with what will make them money. If Wii U can't or they don't believe it to be worth the investment they won't support it, if Wii U's install base buy copies of third party software enought to make it worth it then they will.
-Pyromaniac-
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it's POSSIBLE, but they're likely going for affordability and want to avoid a 3DS like launch in all ways, so I don't see it being really beefy. But I'm sure it'll be at least 2x better than ps3/360. Question is whether or not that's enough for 3rd parties to stfu.
And who's to blame but Nintendo themselves? They ruled the first few gens with an iron fist. Then Sony came along and kicked them in the nuts but still they refused to change their ways. In fact they were so stubborn they invented the Wii. They could have done HD, high tech, but they chose a different market because Sony and MS owned those and no way would Nintendo have allowed themselves to do what was necessary to beat them on their own turf. You could argue by that point they had lost and had no other option really with the Wii than to try something different.
MS came in with a western mindset of "hardcore" "high tech" "Hollywood Stylez", wow and pizazz and they basically took a massive part of a market.
I don't have a 360, but good on 'em and I think Nintendo deserve all the pain they have suffered, especially with the last couple of years of a dead Wii market. They need to lift their game and I really, really hope people don't give them another free pass if all they do is turn on their mediocre machine.
Now I'm a Nintendo fan and Wii U has amazing potential but part of me really doesn't want to be a sucker again like I was with Wii. I DO NOT want to be a multiple console owner again especially if one of those consoles gets 3-4 games played on it in it's lifetime.
Third parties were just fine porting their PS2 games up to Xbox and GameCube without reworking them, and the Wii was even somewhat cursed by the PS2's survival and continued ports of the PS2 games and formerly PS2 projects to the console. Call of Duty 3 was ported by two guys that were just handed a DVD of the PS2's version assets for example. CoD4: Reflex was ported by the bare minimum of people as well.
If the Wii U takes off in a mass success, what you're going to see is developers porting the Wii U version to the PS4 and 720, just like the PS2 and the GC/Xbox all over again. If the 720 and PS4 have some sort of monstrous gap over the Wii U you might see some added particle effects or 3D mode or some improved lighting, but they're not going to rework the entire game.
bgassassin
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The reason I don't agree the notion is because to me Nintendo caused most (if not all) of that damage.
SNES - Lots of 3rd party support
N64 - difficult development, cartridge format, higher licensing
GC - Purple lunchbox/purse (Some may have liked it, but that caused an image problem.)
Wii - hardware constraints
To me the Wii U is an attempt to properly repair that damage, but that's a lot of generations-worth of damage to overcome.
-Pyromaniac-
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I'd laugh my ass off forever if PS4/720 ended up getting shitty Wii-U ports all generation long. But yeah it's impossible to predict at this point the differences in terms of what we'll actually see in games without knowing the specs of what's coming.
The keys for nintendo:
- market the system to the audience that actually buys games (dudebros, etc...) because that's important for 3rd parties
- make it affordable
- make the year head start mean something, have a great library and a great upcoming library and great sales before the other 2 even start marching.
- Don't skimp on the little things (like proper controller parts such as actual clickable analogs and real triggers)
- get your online shit together
- bend over backwards to make things happen with 3rd parties
- ??????
- profit
Too bad nintendo doesnt have an OS or movie Studio division to suport the bleeding.
Like make an enormous profit with the Wii.
No, for as much as people want to believe that Metroid is super important it isn't.
Despite Metroid Prime's fan base and people's idea that it is one of the greatest games of all time it still only did over a million, Prime 2 didn't even get there and Prime 3 barely broke 1.
As it stands even an amazing game is not an a overly strong launch game and woudln't even come close to a Mario/Zelda or Smash opener.
I understand this totally. However, my point is that we're not having this discussion about whether or not the next Xbox or Playstation are going to get support, because we all know they'll get that out of the gate, even though there is no indication they'll be successful. Much like the Wii U. Instead, the Wii U has to prove it's "good enough" while the others don't.
That is because Xbox and Playstation have had continued success for Hardcore 3rd party software were as Wii like Gamecube and N64 before have had a much harder time selling hardcore third party software that isn't exclusive or have Nintendo characters brought into them.
AceBandage
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I'm good.
As much as people rave about the Batman games and how much they're "like MP", I just could not get into AA.
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