Bc the apple app store is super cheap and ms's live marketplace is expensive? Boom what do I win?
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Epic: "I think the console guys are going to blow us all away"
- Thread starter ClovingWestbrook
- Start date
Bc the apple app store is super cheap and ms's live marketplace is expensive? Boom what do I win?
Fire Walk With Me
Banned
If you count all the F2P online games I'd say a new exclusive comes out every few seconds for the pc. Not huge AAA titles but neither are console exclusives at this point.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
PS3 didn't even start selling decently until the price drop to $300-$400 dollars.
When it was $500-$600, the thing was piling up in stores and stores didn't know what to do with all of them cause no one was buying them.
PS3's price drop is what saved it from failure. If that console had stayed any longer at $500-$600, it would have been a disaster for sales.
When it was $500-$600, the thing was piling up in stores and stores didn't know what to do with all of them cause no one was buying them.
PS3's price drop is what saved it from failure. If that console had stayed any longer at $500-$600, it would have been a disaster for sales.
I don't think it is because there will always be a market for consoles, If the consoles come out with games people want it won't matter at all.
Apple Products, smartphones and tablets are not the competitor to console gaming that some want to believe it is, PC's are more of a competitor but even than I think they will coexist.
It's not going to be super cheap forever eventually pricing is going to have to even out but yes it's part of the reason, Pricing has alot to do with it.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Yes, indeed. I think that experienced game developers can help console developers to push for powerful hardware while having the necessary pragmatic approach needed not to over-engineer it too much. I think that PS Move and PS Vita are two products that came out so well thanks to HW and SW guys working closely together.
Meus Renaissance
Member
These are the guys who cost Microsoft a billion dollars with their RAM request, and that turned out vital for the 360. They probably have more clout at Redmond than anyone else when it comes to hardware
the hell
Apple makes their money by selling hardware at a profit. The two business models couldn't be less alike.
Vic said:
They're banking on next gen hardware being far enough ahead that they're the only kid on the block that can take advantage of it out of the gate, the way they were with UE3 this gen. If it's weak enough that competing engines from this gen can still get competitive results, they don't get to enjoy a multi-year stranglehold on the engine licensing market while everyone else scrambles to catch up.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
This is entirely false. Cell Phone Tech has advanced as fast as it has because its catching up to where everything else is. Its not going to magically leap frog everyone and suddenly find PCs etc in the past.
That said I don't think its even logical to try and compare Apple products to PCs,Consoles etc.
Apple has people by the balls and has convinced them you need to upgrade every year while the other spaces are designed around multi year investments.
At the pace mobile tech is moving. And the start of what appears to be longer console generations to help with rising development costs and whatnot, no matter what the next gen ships with, Ill be seeing similar or better performance from my tablet a few years in more than likely.
Luckily of course, horsepower isn't the one and only metric and method that will determine the success/failure of the next generation of consoles.
This might be a biiiit extreme, but overall it is correct. UE is a big part of their DNA, they are going to say stuff like this.
Luckily of course, horsepower isn't the one and only metric and method that will determine the success/failure of the next generation of consoles.
This might be a biiiit extreme, but overall it is correct. UE is a big part of their DNA, they are going to say stuff like this.
Fire Walk With Me
Banned
I'm not saying this is untrue, but a lot of those early pictures were just fanboy horseshit taken to stir up thread wars. I was young, I took part.
PC's have their exclusives too. MMO's, RTS's and some Indie games that can't get on the consoles.
Xplatformer
Member
Agreed. Which is why next gen consoles will be $399.
Cut down on r&d by using existing tech and include plenty of RAM.
I want to see a Photoshop of Mark Rein as Wesker with the text "Global Saturation" on it.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Fire Walk With Me
Banned
I think its a scary horizon because developers usually follow the money and if there is less money and more risk in console development they wont make those games with the same frequency they do now.
Mark is a bit off with his comparison of the traditional console business model and Apple's iPhone business model. Apple makes a huge gross margin on the hardware. The amount they make from software is peanuts in comparison. Microsoft and Sony make nothing on hardware. The higher the specs, the higher the pain they feel at the beginning of the generation as they aim to keep the console retail price below $499. Apple can put relatively monstrous specs in its iPhones and iPads and still coin it.
east of eastside
Banned
Mobile chips have the advantage of massive volume, economies of scale, and open competition on a scale well beyond the console or PC space. That's key to understanding mobile's rise and future. They aren't "catching up" either. They are different architectures achieving performance at much lower power consumption.
Freedom = $1.05
Banned
Sure do. That was a fantastic game. If only they still made games like that.Remember when Epic made cool games.. like Gears of War 3.
stuminus3
Member
It's their business, their bread and butter. It's in their best interests that everyone is hungry for high-end tech. I suspect behind the scenes that their adventures in iOS haven't quite panned out like they'd hoped - we're not living in a high end Unreal powered iOS gaming heaven, regardless of how many pixels our iPads have, and we likely never will be.
Time and time again, everyone forgets that software is king.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
Go Epic!
Much of NeoGAF's Reponse to this:
It's as though no one has learned. It's called the "bleeding edge" for a reason.
Incredible.
FormallyFamicom
Member
Can't wait to see the $60+ games taking advantage of all this tech in these future iPads and smartphones. Hmm....
MeBecomingI
Member
Epic loves bleeding edge hardware... so where is my big Epic Games Vita exclusive, huh Epic!? They love iPad gaming and seem to be big on mobile stuff, but they ignore the Vita, at least right now.
I think you'll see consoles will be powerful, but technology is moving so fast and companies like Apple iterate every year on their products that even if they build extremely powerful machines, they will be out powered in a few months after release anyway.
I appreciate Epic Games intention and I hope it is very successful though, because I want game to continue to evolve in every aspect.
I think you'll see consoles will be powerful, but technology is moving so fast and companies like Apple iterate every year on their products that even if they build extremely powerful machines, they will be out powered in a few months after release anyway.
I appreciate Epic Games intention and I hope it is very successful though, because I want game to continue to evolve in every aspect.
Risk Breaker
Member
sixteen-bit
Member
It lost $3B in the first two years. It has made a lot more than that since then, nonetheless it was a huge money sink at the beginning.
Lol enjoy your on rails slashing games and HD ports of old titles. I have an ipad2 and love IB and the ports but an ipad doesn't and wont hold a candle to next Gen or current Gen.
EDIT.
It actually wasn't sold at loss.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Uhhh. Pretty sure Apple subsidises things by selling them for a lot of money.
There's no preventing it. The difference between something that's GREAT today and EVEN MORE GREAT today would just delay it by a few months.Ken Masters said:
It worked well other generations. The problem with this generation was the amount of money per console that they tried to subsidize at particularly high console prices. A $900 BOM console at a $600 price was stupid. A $500 BOM console at $350 - $400 isn't.
The new iPad is more powerful than an Xbox360 or a Playstation 3. It's more powerful than a Vita, has a bigger screen, and more than triple the battery life. They also come out with a new one every year, instead of in huge 7 year cycles.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
What does Epic mean by "Bleeding Edge"?
Bleeding edge today would be a 4-8 core 3.5-4.0Ghz CPU with a GK110 Kepler/AMD HD7900 GPU and 8GB of RAM.
That is just not happening IMO.
Microsoft doesn't seem to need or be targeting the bleeding edge with their focus on Kinect and Sony just can't afford to go bleeding edge. (As mentioned multiple times: Look at Vita's HW)
Maybe one or both will surprise us but I really doubt it at this point.
Bleeding edge today would be a 4-8 core 3.5-4.0Ghz CPU with a GK110 Kepler/AMD HD7900 GPU and 8GB of RAM.
That is just not happening IMO.
Microsoft doesn't seem to need or be targeting the bleeding edge with their focus on Kinect and Sony just can't afford to go bleeding edge. (As mentioned multiple times: Look at Vita's HW)
Maybe one or both will surprise us but I really doubt it at this point.
The thing your not getting is it's finally coming to terms with technology from 7 years ago, Apple is not going to bypass the next gen systems soon and it will hit a point where it will plateau because not all technology has caught up to the same point.
It costs double the vita, has no controller and almost no console quality games. I think people who suggest the ipad competes directly with consoles don't understand both markets.
In what sense is more powerful? Like...more ram? Sure, even Iphone 4 has as much as ram as consoles. Processing power? Absolutely not.
stuminus3
Member
My PC is still more powerful than the iPad 3, cost less two years ago than what an iPad 2 costs now (so what you could buy for PC now with the same money would blow my PC out of the water), and we all know how that 'high end' market panned out. People aren't buying iPads because of awesome looking videogames. iOS devices are amazing technology, but they are not the be-all and end-all of videogames just because they're powerful. Source: history.
sixteen-bit
Member
I hope Epic is behind it. Wasn't there a rumor that a new trilogy would be outsourced?
Risk Breaker
Member
This is the very definition of brainwashed. Dear God.