jediyoshi
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Mass Effect Fans Donate $80,000 to Charity to Help Change the Ending of Mass Effect 3
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Don't worry, if anyone asks you can maintain that donating to children just ain't cool.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
C'mon man, I expected better from you than that. :/
littleworm
Member
It wouldn't be the first time it happened, there are several times where fans have changed, a book, movie, or video game. Just look at Fallout 3, or hell the Sherlock Holmes series. The game is for the consumer so it should be to the consumers satisfaction. The moment a person makes something to sell, you become indebted to the people you are selling it too. Heaven forbid that developers should only bow down to it's publishers, and no the fans.
boiled goose
good with gravy
thought this explanation was really good.
Basically the ending is completely independent of your actions throughout the game. All you can do is take 3 choices and they result in 3 similar endings that are not impacted by your actions. The 3 choices are unappealing options to many gamers. In an RPG, this leads to a pretty significant cognitive dissonance, hence the dissatisfaction.
There should have at least been an option to say 'fuck it' and reject the three options. Do what you think the main character would do, even if it means failure.
heliosRAzi
Banned
You will be destroying their artistic integrity or some bullshit.
I don't care if the endings are changed or not, I want them to own up to the fact that they are bad endings
Then the floodgates open: every game with an ending that is not "liked" can have the community in a uproar and demand changes to their liking.
I haven't watch anything but the first Star Wars movie, but I think the last one's ending was bashed as well (something to do about them being siblings?!) Will they have to change that as well? I mean if they demand it
I honestly think that video games, the Mass Effect series specifically, are different from movies, books or any other form of entertainment.
In fact, I think the ME games are the only reason why there is even a discussion about the endings. If this was any other current IP, this would never happen.
absolutely not. Play and see for yourself, just don't see it with a "this is going to be so bad" mentality.
The floodgates won't open cause unless the ending of an extremely popular game is hated by a sizeable amount of people then there won't be any uproar. And that rarely happens.
SolidsnackooFoxhound
Banned
Change the ending and release it as DLC for 10 dollars.
Ignis Fatuus
Banned
Sounds great to me.
Oh come on, man, this is a stupid fucking stance.
Look, I can see wanting a game changed for more clarity or more put into it, because you bought into it and so you have a right to complain about the product you god. But you're just demanding that they admit what they wrote was shitty? What the fuck.
Gully State
Member
Well this is one way of putting your money where you mouth is..I suppose...
I'm just glad that IGN guy was owned badly. He supported the changes fan requested in Infamous 2 saying that it's nice the company listened to fans and he's now saying that fans shouldn't force devs to modify a game because it destroys artistic integrity. The burn is amazing.
littleworm
Member
I really don't fell if BioWare caved here, that it is going to open a flood gate of movies, books, tv shows, and video games being changed. If I am wrong so be it, do what it takes to make most of your fans happy.
SerArthurDayne
Member
That is the only way to make it hurt less, actually. Lowered expectations and all.
I get the sense that many now go into the ending expecting it to be even worse than it is. Yet we still get new people shocked by how bad it is every day.
Red Blaster
Member
Yes
really?
I kinda got a hunch you really didn't like the ending, did you?
Why would the floodgates open? We can't force Bioware or any developer to change anything if they don't want to. All we can do as consumers is to stop giving them money. It is all up to the creators in the end.
I don't think this is how most people that have finished the game by now went into it. I certainly went in expecting the ending to be awesome because the previous 15 hours of the game was pretty good. It didn't turn out so well.
Like Fallout 3?
Anyone with the internet is playing ME3 with that mentality. People are setting themselves up for failure, questioning how the ending is so shit when everything else is so fun.
Shalashaska161
Member
I quiver with anticipation for the day Bioware announces paid DLC to fix the ending. The nerd rage will be glorious.
littleworm
Member
Sure, the fans are ultimately the ones who fund the game and allow it to exist, they should have a right into how it plays out, if it's what the majority wants they should do it.
Psychoward
Banned
I also love how people are saying he writers, and bioware in general, when, if the
Rumor is true, most writers weren't on board with the ending.
Rumor is true, most writers weren't on board with the ending.
Then I ask all who's romanced Jacob to join me in my cause to change his story in ME3.
WHO"S WITH ME NOW?
Sadly, the feeling I'm getting is people are watching the ending, nitpicking every little detail of it, just to join the hate club. Of course that are lots of you who honestly didn't like it, but I couldn't shake this feeling off after seeing some of the complains in the other threads.
huh, I'm out.
No one likes Jacob wtf.
Tbqh, I'm more ashamed of the gamers that are shaming these guys because they raised money for a good cause. At least they aren't being childish about it and throwing around words like "Artistic integrity" and "entitled" like nobody's business, and cheering on the company for not listening to their fanbase... Like someone else said, why is it okay to want gameplay changes but not story when especially Bioware themselves said players would get the complete opposite of what they got? 16 different endings, your choices would matter in the ending, you'd get closure etc.
littleworm
Member
You're out, I'm interested in understanding your reasoning.
chris121580
Member
Multiplayer fixes/changes are plausible because of the fact they usually prevent the game from being playable or they're glitches that need fixed.
Storylines are created by the company. They have something in mind and they roll with it. Gamers should absolutely have no say in the way their game ends. What's next....ask the writers to re-write the endings for Lost and The Sopranos just because not all loose ends were tied up? The whole thing is pathetic and Bioware is better off leaving it alone. Gamers tend to let things go over a quick period of time. I don't see why this would end up being any different.
It's unfortunate they even took the time to address the gamers regarding an issue that shouldn't even be an issue. Basically, Bioware doesn't owe gamers anything. They went with the story they believed in and should stick to their guns. If they choose to cave, gamers win and things will just continue to go down hill in the industry.
SteveWinwood
Member
I remember a hype thread for me3 a few months ago. Everyone said there is no way bioware can make a good ending for me3. People either didn't listen and cut ties there, or I don't know what. It's great you don't want a shit ending, but why would you want bioware to do it? They've already proven they can't.
Gamers will cry and moan and complain and whine about how (evil developer / publisher / console maker) is ruining gaming with (price gouging / ruining franchises / being derivative / squashing creativity / rushing products / making terrible games) and that it's killing the industry.
Gamers will then turn on other gamers who complain about Mass Effect 3's ending and label them as entitled whiny complaining douches.
So, I guess the answer is one of the following:
- Gamers can scream and shout all they want about how terrible the (insert the evil corporation here) is but don't you dare want them to act, lest you become an entitled douche vilifying an innocent actor
OR
- Gamers just love to insult everything, and it doesn't matter what the target is or if it'd make them hypocritical.
FFS indeed.
Gamers will then turn on other gamers who complain about Mass Effect 3's ending and label them as entitled whiny complaining douches.
So, I guess the answer is one of the following:
- Gamers can scream and shout all they want about how terrible the (insert the evil corporation here) is but don't you dare want them to act, lest you become an entitled douche vilifying an innocent actor
OR
- Gamers just love to insult everything, and it doesn't matter what the target is or if it'd make them hypocritical.
FFS indeed.
Outsource it to SQUARE-ENIX. Bioware and them are already working together.
Man I hate how Bethesda just ruined this industry by making a new ending and charging for it. Now everyone does it!
Seriously it didn't change anything because as I've been telling people most people aren't invested in most game stories. This situation isn't going to repeat unless everyone starts making universes and characters like mass effect, and then they fuck it up like this.
Listening to all these slippery slope DOOOOOOOM arguments is like listening to republican politicians now. Mind numbing.
Red Blaster
Member
Ghost_Protocol
Member
This appeasement garbage is ridiculous. I can't believe that bitching can send a developer back to re-do the ending to a shipped product. Imagine Blizzard or Valve doing this shit.
That certainly is not 'quick'. I have never beaten a Mass Effect game, is the ending just stupid? Or is it one of those 'it was all a dream' things?
Can it be summarized into 2-3 sentenced?
heliosRAzi
Banned
Self-criticism is a good thing. Acknowledge that they fuck up and they realize that they can do better next time.
littleworm
Member
Coming from the dude with the Evangelion avatar.
It's already been done to Fallout 3. Anyways I see Bioware not giving a shit about artistic integrity because they want to make more money. Valve also changed the ending to Portal 1 I believe to hype up the then upcoming Portal 2.
There are too many things wrong with it. I will say that it felt very lazily made, didn't take into account player choices over the series at all, and was overally just a very poor ending with plot holes galore and character actions that don't make sense.
Actually, now that I think about what I wrote, the most logical answer is this:
Gamers will complain on boards, gaming 'journalists' will complain via blog posts, etc. about how some developer or publisher is ruining video games for X Y Z reasons, about how game A was terrible for myriad reasons, how it's bullshit etc.
What we see with Mass Effect 3 is a group of gamers saying "well, why stop at complaining? let's try and do something!"
That's where the line was crossed: trying to actively do something, instead of passively and lazily bitching at one another on GAF or the comments sections of Kotaku, IGN, Destructoid, etc, loading each post with a dissertation's worth of arguments and scathing rhetoric, but never achieving anything or trying to.
How dare they act.
Gamers will complain on boards, gaming 'journalists' will complain via blog posts, etc. about how some developer or publisher is ruining video games for X Y Z reasons, about how game A was terrible for myriad reasons, how it's bullshit etc.
What we see with Mass Effect 3 is a group of gamers saying "well, why stop at complaining? let's try and do something!"
That's where the line was crossed: trying to actively do something, instead of passively and lazily bitching at one another on GAF or the comments sections of Kotaku, IGN, Destructoid, etc, loading each post with a dissertation's worth of arguments and scathing rhetoric, but never achieving anything or trying to.
How dare they act.
ding ding ding
CD Projekt is changing some things around with the ending and last act of Witcher 2 due to how short it was. And they're doing it for free.
Such appeasing assholes!
Blizzard does it all the time, it's called retcon.
I can't imagine Valve doing it because they have competent writers.