onlyindreams
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Well to be fair that was transparent enough from just watching the ending. It's objectively terrible.
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Mass Effect Fans Donate $80,000 to Charity to Help Change the Ending of Mass Effect 3
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Well to be fair that was transparent enough from just watching the ending. It's objectively terrible.
Uh oh Bethesda. They are onto you! And I can tell they are failures at storytelling just by watching the ending again.
this is really becoming crazy...almost cultish
heliosRAzi
Banned
Well, there is focus testing
WrenchNinja
Member
Because Bioware is somehow above shameless pandering.
There's nothing wrong with acknowledging a mistake.
Yeah. It is ironic in a few different ways that the one sane place to discuss ME3 is the multiplayer thread.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
They hated it enough to raise money for charity.
The real question is: did they just slap on Child's Play (like tons of people seem to do) in order to seem legit.
sleeprockss
Banned
Yeah, it just proved that people are willing to spend at least $10 on a new ending.
I meant the charity part...
Hasphat'sAnts
Member
Proud to be a part of it.
We're the entitled ones. Yup.
We're raising awareness. BioWare's got enough from my CE.
We're the entitled ones. Yup.
We're raising awareness. BioWare's got enough from my CE.
No, if anything, it amplifies it. Entitled babies with money.
The main problem with you is that you think you are "the ultimate majority of the consumers", when, mixing some neogaf posters, some bioware forums posters, random internet guys, you got, what, 3% of the game's players? And yet you think the developer should change the game's ending based on what you think. smh (to be clear, I don't think changing it was going to be ok even if you represented 99% of the gamers)
Red Blaster
Member
Well considering multiplayer is largely free of a story written by a stupid idiot;
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
I would think that asking for it to be changed period makes them entitled babies.
Everyone wants games to be taken seriously as art.
But then they don't like something, and they try to get it changed.
It does not matter if video games are an interactive medium.
... of what? That people have different opinions? Please, above anything else, don't act like you are "helping other gamers".
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
For the most part, people are fine with the stories in the rest of the games and even the rest of ME3. It's just the ME3 ending, really.
If your worth as a story-teller is the subject of debate as opposed to how much money you are going to make, it is the mark of a rare storyteller to show humility and keen-notice of criticism. It takes an exceptional storyteller to know when to keep something as is for the sake of preserving their own "art" and one that tries to think of things from another angle in the sense of "those points are valid; that really doesn't make sense."
Alternatively, the ending has so many factual issues that thinking it would be acceptable in the first place would already be a marking of failure as a storyteller, so now we're in a Catch-22.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
That is exactly what is happening though. They are donating to raise awareness for their agenda, using it as a tool that just sidetracks away from the charities original intentions. It's good that money is going into a worthy cause but I think they should use a different way to express their cause.
Didn't read the destructoid article.
Also are people really citing portal's retconned ending? That was a totally different situation that was used to hype and set up portal 2. Not because people forced a change because they thought the ending to portal was shit.
jediyoshi
Member
Wat, developers being self critical isn't a rarity or anything. Everyone hated Halo 2's ending and Bungie said it was shit, rushed and that they were disappointed in it in interviews.
Forbes has pretty much become the de facto best gaming website :\. Some of the coverage from these dedicated sites has been absolutely disgusting, especially in terms of their language and attitude toward many fans. Jim Sterling is a troglodyte. Appalling journalist.
Yeah, but in truth the internet wasn't around then either. People also didn't put 150+ hours into the Godfather trilogy and didn't have the director making promises about the outcome.
No doubt some fans lost their shit over the ending, but for the most part most comments I've seen, particularly on GAF, have been very reasonable. There's so many people being really cynical and abrasive to the people questioning the ending. There's no need. So some dudes want the ending changed and gave 80k to sick children. I don't see how that warrants abusing others.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
heliosRAzi
Banned
I think over 4000 people donated to the charity so that seems to be a good sampling size.
echoshifting
Banned
Well, charity is cool. I find this whole business about the ending to be...well, I won't say it. It's already been said. But charity IS cool. So I'm fine with this. Good on ya, you crazy screwballs.
Hellsing321
Member
I don't give a rats ass why someone donates to any charity. I also don't care weather Bioware changes the ending or not. I just think people have a right to complain when they feel they've gotten a shitty product or service and I also think Bioware has a right to ignore those complaints or take them to heart. All these "artistic integrity" arguments just ring hollow to me when it comes to something as mass produced as Mass Effect.
Inconception
tearsofash
Member
It was pretty bad, but there's no conative responses elicited on my end. Wish they had elaborated, explained, and brought more closure to a series I was so heavily vested in.
Then again, Evangelion's og ending didn't bother me either. I had the same complaints, but it's not my place to want to change it. The revised ending was amazing though, and they charged for it.
Charity is charity. Whatever. Helping people is good. If it means I can play more ME I'm down.
Then again, Evangelion's og ending didn't bother me either. I had the same complaints, but it's not my place to want to change it. The revised ending was amazing though, and they charged for it.
Charity is charity. Whatever. Helping people is good. If it means I can play more ME I'm down.
Ogrekiller
Member
They are the kind of people that entitle the developers into feeling that they're entitled to making shitty endings.
I'm sure Bethesda loved the entitled babies and the possibilities that changing the ending of Fallout 3 brought (more DLC and $$$).
Hasphat'sAnts
Member
Whether they do it or not doesn't really matter. At this point, no one really has the confidence that BioWare could tack on some end game cutscene and make it all better. That's the kind of space magic the game ended on in the first place.
What this is doing is just raising awareness, and making sure that the next company who pulls a fast one on loyal fans would think twice before they do it.
heliosRAzi
Banned
I see what you did there.
How is that worse than failing as a storyteller and not acknowledging it?
they should acknowledge their own failure as designers, since kinda the big bullet point to the series and the reason why it was interesting as a trilogy was that your decisions carried over from game to game and were supposed to have an impact on the final outcome. instead the writer man thought he was making art or something.
also, the game being apparently rushed probably didn't do it any favors.
Including Felicia Day and Jessica Chobot in your games is exactly the same thing, and I didn't see you protesting that.
Enable, not entitle, but yes.
I would hope that those lining up to criticize gamers that criticize BioWare for the ME3 ending understand this point.
But they won't.
It's more fun to sit back and attack other people's character (selfish whiny babies!).
4000 isn't representative of anything in a 3 million world (that's what I heard the first shipment was, correct me if I'm wrong but I'm sure my point still stands.)
of what exactly?
4000 consumers personally invested enough to care = average opinion?
hell no
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Again, I ask you: raising awareness of what? For who?
Because when you say things like that, it just makes me think you're a patronizing jerk.
Red Blaster
Member
MGS4's terribleness was the result of an auteur bending to the whims of a fanbase. Mass Effect on the other hand is perhaps one of the most cynical, designed-by-committee series in existence.
MagicWithEarvin
Member
Damn, this is the worst backlash I've ever seen to a game's ending. Currently playing through ME3 now and I've already set my expectations super low after reading about how terrible it is.
That's just 4000 people who decided to donate, not everyone who hates the ending. I didn't donate and I despise how they handled the ending, and how they lied about how the ending would be in interviews before the game came out.
Just keep in mind that none of your choices will matter and don't, uh, don't grow attached to anything or anyone in the game or series, and maybe you won't outright hate it.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
didn't kojima bend to the wills of his staff? He said the ending was their idea.
anyway this whole thing is sad, if the ending is shitty then fucking leave it. It is what it is.
SerArthurDayne
Member
It will probably save you. If you don't see the problems in the ending, don't think about it. It becomes worse with time and thought.
littleworm
Member
You do realize when they do exit polling, for elections and such, that don't poll every single voter? Surely if people loved the ending they would be on the internet posting about how great it is (and there are some people). However when you look at fan reaction it has been overwhelmingly negative.
For the sake of argument, let us assume that the Charity is not a representative sample.
This isn't so much of a problem of "just a bunch of forum posters" being up in arms about things. You go to any other major community outside of GAF and Bioware's forums like IGN, Gamespot/GameFAQs, Something Awful, various individual and smaller forums, etc, and even with some degree of overlap, you have a fair amount of people being concerned about things. Even for a small frame of reference, look at GFaqs, in which at least 30k people do agree that there is something wrong with the ending as is. And even going of anecdotal accounts like facebook and what-not, and now areas like Forbes giving some insight, saying that it is only like 1% of the people who bought the game is pretty disingenuous at best.
Psychological or academic studies do not become less valid simply because they could not gauge the entire population in question. Instead, there is enough support that there is a very good chance that there is a somewhat consistent sentiment and concern.
True, I can concede on the notion that not everyone wants it changed. But I think the most pressing scenario here is that we could possibly have a significant number of people who just found it problematic in general. If Retake ME3 is the only outlet to really show this notion, despite how less-extreme arguments may also be accompanying the concern, I'll take it.