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Wii U Speculation thread IV: Photoshop rumors and image memes
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UltimateIke
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What all can you do with cloth? Wear it, cut it, burn it, wet it, fly it in the wind... All kinds of cloth-based puzzles!
AceBandage
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UE4 isn't confirmed, officially, for any platform.
However, we've heard talk that the system is being optimized for it.
-Pyromaniac-
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there's been rumours that they've been tweaking the dev kits to optimize for new engines, I assume that means UE4 and CryEngine 3 right?
BG or IdeaMan or someone would need to confirm that.
lunchwithyuzo
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3DS had built in software and it didn't help at all. It may be dumb, but I feel pressing a disc gives whatever games comes bundled with Wii U more psychological value than simply preloading them on it's flash would.
Pretty slim imo. They had demo out NSMB Mii last E3, but it seemed to look exactly like the Wii version of the game. I'm guessing they rushed it for E3, so we probably won't see a Mario title for the console until after launch.
AceBandage
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It's what I've always said, and it's what I will say.
They simply do not need Mario at launch.
Anyone that says they do is trying to doom Nintendo. You're basically saying that they can't hit it with anything other than Mario and that is doing a huge disservice to Nintendo's teams and creativity.
Street Pass and the AR most certainly did help sales (particularly in Japan).
The problem was that it was still $250 and had no real compelling software.
Neither of them. Sorry, but I don't see a HQ flagship Mario RIGHT at launch.
Would cause lots of pants to be soiled though.
1. at launch.... hmmm... none
2. and NO in a million years..
EDIT: Damn you guys!! you're stalking this thread!
and I'm a slow writer lol
That was my stance in a nutshell. You can be damn sure I'd be sweating NPD numbers every month, biting my nails. Nintendo surviving is paramount, and if it means that I have to wait five more years to see 720-level graphics from a Nintendo system, then so be it. I'll enjoy 360 v2.0 graphics in the meantime; I'm sure they're fantastic.
(And I think if Sony ever does make their exit, it'll forever be in the background of each time where industry enthusiasts have this debate/discussion, having a very long-lasting impression.)
Well if they don't have Mario, Zelda, or even Metroid at launch...then would you say most of the Nintendo published games at launch would be "B franchises"? Franchises that aren't super popular but have a decent sized fan following like Pikmin, Star Fox, Wave Race, Eternal Darkness, etc.
Nothing wrong with that. I'm pretty sure a lot of Nintendo fans would still love to get those games. As long as they don't repeat what they did with the 3DS I'm sure they'll do just fine.
test_account
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For PC it kinda is , but makes sense that it isnt confirmed for any other system since it most likely wont be supported on PS3 and Xbox 360, and their follow up consoles arent announced
But i ment the talk about it. I've only heard talk about UE3 and WiiU, not about UE4 and WiiU.
I've only seen talk about UE3, that is why i had to ask
AceBandage
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They'll do something new and unexpected.
Their first goal is to foster a long term userbase. That would be us. The ones that buy a game every month at least and will continue to do so for years.
They'll do this by making a game that helps to support third parties.
Nothing huge like Zelda. More of Metroid's level. Either a new Prime game, or some spin off or another adventure game.
For PC it kinda is , but makes sense that it isnt confirmed for any other system since it most likely wont be supported on PS3 and Xbox 360, and their follow up consoles arent announced
But i ment the talk about it. I've only heard talk about UE3 and WiiU, not about UE4 and WiiU.
I've only seen talk about UE3, that is why i had to ask
Black has mentioned it a few times. And lherre has said they are testing popular engines for optimization (though not UE4 specifically).
Hey, have to give third parties their "chance" again. God forbid Ninty have a major franchise at launch, resulting in third parties having a big cry about it...
"B Franchises"? No such things. Relying on games that will appeal to all bases(which is what Ninty wants to achieve with the Wii U) is what the launch games will be like.
I've said it before, we won't see a big Nintendo franchise till next year
I'm expecting a sports/party Mario game but that's pretty much it.
so yeah, I'm going to say this year Nintendo will publish only "B franchises"
That tone makes you seem a bit suspicious of it. (Especially with you saying the journalist, rather than the dev.) I can't really blame you if you are, however, since it really doesn't make any sense unless some shader units just aren't be used, and even that can only be blamed on the dev. I mean, we even heard that Nintendo is giving fairly good developer support, so what excuse do they have?
Woah, woah, let's not go crazy either =P
AceBandage
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I'm simply stating what we've heard from sources that have a history of being reliable.
How it'll pan out is unknown, but as of now, I see it being true.
3D Mario? No chance. It'd be a bimbshell if Nintendo unveiled Super Mario Universe at E3. But I see that as their big 2013 E3/holiday headliner.
2D Mario? Count me in as one of the believers. 80% chance.
Mario and Pikmin at launch on the same day? 75% chance.
Count me as an optimist. I think a 2D Mario game is great for appealing to a broad audience, gently showing what the system and uPad can do - while not overcrowding the more hardcore third-party titles that'll be available at Launch.
test_account
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Who is Black?
But the only thing i've heard is this from Mark Rein:
"Do you remember the Zelda demo they had on it? Would you not buy a Wii U just to play that? Of course you would. That's what Nintendo is all about. Their hardware is the software delivery service for their great content. That Zelda demo was gorgeous and we can do even more than that with Unreal Engine 3. I think it will do great."
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-12-epic-vp-id-be-shocked-if-wii-u-doesnt-do-well
To me it seems that he is trying to "sell" UE3 here, talking about how good it will be on WiiU. Just found it curious that he didnt mention anything about UE4.
lunchwithyuzo
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Honestly, I don't think they did really. At least not to the degree Nintendo wanted.
Wii's $250 was all always buffered with the "free game" effect. 3DS wasn't generally, though I have to wonder if it'd have been different if AR-Games and Face Raiders had come on a 128MB card?
Thunder Monkey
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I'm honestly very thankful you're here man. I've been trying to get this across for years, with none of the technical proficiency to sum it up.
I've always tried to sum it up how I read it. "Colour Combiners are pixel-shaders!" Pixel-Shading in and of itself is just a buzz word for a highly documented colour combiner. The programmability of said shaders (fixed function or otherwise) don't define pixel-shading. Their proficiency with combining texture layers to create separate effects is what defines pixel-shading.
Even the PS2 is capable of software based pixel-shading, and it doesn't even have a fixed-function pixel-shader!
I argued this stuff last gen, but no one listened.
Yet if 3ds showed them one thing, besides the price point, is that they need to have big Nintendo games to launch a console. People don't buy a Nintendo hardware for third parties.
I'm not saying that it's definite, but that doesn't mean UE4 won't be optimized for the Wii U. It seems to only state that the UE3 can do more than what the Zelda demo displayed.
AceBandage
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And we know that the hardware tweaking is true from other sources as well. If they're tweaking it for popular engines, you can bet that UE4 is on their minds right now.
Again, how it'll pan out is unknown, but right now, I have no reason to doubt it, especially with the way Nintendo has been acting.
This is what I pretty much expect.
I think Nintendo will hope that exclusive Wii U games like Dragon Quest X, Killer Freaks, and Lego City Stories will make up for the lack of bigger first party games not being ready for launch.
But I do expect Pikmin and Retro's game at launch. I have this hunch feeling. Also something from NST or Monster Games.
On what basis? There is zero basis to expect them at launch. Pikmin may be a launch window title but expecting anything at launch is like playing the lottery.
test_account
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Sure, i'm not trying to say otherwise. I was just curious if there had been any words on UE4 support for the WiiU since all i've seen is talk about UE3. We know for sure that UE3 support will come.
I see, thanks. Yes, i think it is key for Nintendo regarding 3rd party support to have UE4 runing on their system. Well, at least it is important.
Are we still pretending that there's a chance of that being good?
Sorry, I just have no faith in Ubisoft. Plus, it's B-level shooter. It won't sell systems.
Honestly if GTA V, RE6, etc. are announced for the Wii U and come out around launch time that would be insane. I don't like some of these games but that would be insane.
Has Square Enix stated that DQ X will be a launch title for the Wii U?
We'll find out at E3. Hopefully UE4 runs without a hitch.
Has Square Enix stated that DQ X will be a launch title for the Wii U?
We'll find out at E3. Hopefully UE4 runs without a hitch.
Well I said it's a hunch. I don't have any real evidence that they will be at launch.
Miyamoto said this about Pikmin 3: "Originally, I was making Pikmin 3 to be launched on the Wii platform."
That doesn't mean it will be a launch title for Wii U. But what it tells me is that Miyamoto wants Pikmin 3 to launch with any Nintendo console to show off the console's features.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
The way to avoid the "waiting for a price drop" thing....
Announce that the first consoles will have a free game included at launch. But after 2 months, you have to buy it....
Announce that the first consoles will have a free game included at launch. But after 2 months, you have to buy it....
AceBandage
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It has a better chance than Red Steel did, at least.
If it is, it won't be at the Western launch.
test_account
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Pikmin 3 has been in developement for a long time, so a launch title is possible.
I think a new IP is prudent for launch, but I hesitate to be optimistic about its chances. I still remember how Pikmin was treated when it came out, in the burgeoning days of televised video game reviews.
Par exemple.
Par exemple.
-Pyromaniac-
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I'm with ya
Both of the examples you give are exactly what I'm talking about. The loss leader strategy is also not standard in electronics. That doesn't make a lick of sense. The only reason it's become common in phones and consoles is because those devices are heavily monetized platforms for software and subscription plans for phones (and in the case of consoles, such a business model is not all that profitable either. Gamecube made a little less money for nintendo than PS2 did for Sony for example). You don't see stereos, displays, and cameras selling at a loss because that wouldn't make anybody any money.
Anyway, going back to the PS2 and iphone, the PS2 at least went after the mass market from day 1. PS2 had a built in dvd player, which was in incredible high demand at the time, and launched at $300. Cheap? Not really. But it wasn't outrageously expensive either, and DVD playback had huge casual appeal. It was a 2 in 1 product riding off the back of the immensely popular PS1. The 360 tard pack in comparison was identically priced but had virtually no mass market appeal and was quickly discontinued. That's what I'm talking about. It goes beyond just price and tech, you have to marry that effectively with mass market appeal. That's exactly what the Wii U and all future consoles should be striving for, and unlike in 2000, bleeding edge tech isn't going to be absolutely necessary to achieve that goal. As for the iphone, it didn't necessarily explode out of the gate, and surveys suggested that only the incredibly affluent were able to pick it up. It wasn't until the device went down in price (coupled with long term phone contracts) and it gained cultural appeal that it really morphed into the behemoth that it is today. There was a huge outcry over the price of the iphone, but that's hard to remember in light of it's market position today.
In short, going after the hardcore and only the hardcore dedicated market is a really dumb idea.
edit: btw, I realized there's a discrepancy in your claim. PS2 sold at a loss while iphone sold at an enormous premium. The top model iphone was FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE US DOLLARS
AceBandage
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It also only had a few people working on it forever and a platform switch.
That said, I still think they'll try and work it out near launch.
I think we'll see a new IP, but it won't be what people expect.
I won't categorically rule it out from being good, but Ubi will have to convince me through good reviews, impressions, etc before I blindly trust again.
From that point-of-view, any new IP FPS is destined to be "B-level," which I personally think is a load of crap. Of course, not saying that the game WILL be great, but to say that the possibility isn't there at all is being negative for the sake of being negative. And I also believe that its ability to sell systems lies entirely on just how well UbiSoft markets it to the FPS-loving crowd...
Thunder Monkey
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I really disliked Tommy.
But this wasn't what did it. His Paper Mario review is what made me write him off completely.
nordique
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And just to add, don't forget how important effort on a developer's part in with regards to graphical effort.
Don't forget that these games were all on the same system
The worst:
And the best:
*phew*
Sorry for all the pics but just to (more) clearly demonstrate how stark of a difference with similar looking titles can exist on just one platform, due to developer competence/effort/time
Don't forget that these games were all on the same system
The worst:
And the best:
*phew*
Sorry for all the pics but just to (more) clearly demonstrate how stark of a difference with similar looking titles can exist on just one platform, due to developer competence/effort/time
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I think the talk in here of Nintendo not releasing a MAJOR 1st-party title at launch is absolutely ludicrous.
They learned with the launch of the 3DS that launching without a title like that is a huge, huge mistake. I highly doubt they do it again.
Again, Pikmin 3 is NOT that main title.
I fully expect something bigger.
My money is on (in order of likelihood):
1) 2D Mario (that somehow connects to the 3DS version)
2) 3D Mario
3) Retro-made Metroid Prime reboot
4) F-Zero
For Nintendo 64, they had Super Mario 64. For Gamecube, they had Luigi's Mansion and Wave Race Blue Storm. The Wii had Zelda: Twilight Princess. 3DS had basically nothing--Steel Diver, a really bad new IP, and Pilotwings Resort, almost a tech demo.
They learned with the launch of the 3DS that launching without a title like that is a huge, huge mistake. I highly doubt they do it again.
Again, Pikmin 3 is NOT that main title.
I fully expect something bigger.
My money is on (in order of likelihood):
1) 2D Mario (that somehow connects to the 3DS version)
2) 3D Mario
3) Retro-made Metroid Prime reboot
4) F-Zero
For Nintendo 64, they had Super Mario 64. For Gamecube, they had Luigi's Mansion and Wave Race Blue Storm. The Wii had Zelda: Twilight Princess. 3DS had basically nothing--Steel Diver, a really bad new IP, and Pilotwings Resort, almost a tech demo.
but you're forgetting that Nintendo itself is leaving room FOR third parties at launch.
though I totally understand what you're saying I just don't see Nintendo releasing a big name at launch for obvious
Momma! Nintendo ate my cake, now I don't want to play anymore!!!!!!! -third party excuse-
That's why I said I'm expecting "B franchises" at launch, something 3DS lacked till Mario Kart 7 and Super Mario 3D Land were released and tbh, I think that's all Wii U needs from Nintendo to get healty sales at launch.
AceBandage
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No, what they learned from the 3DS launch is to not have a system at an exorbitant price with no compelling software period.
They do not NEED a Mario game if they can fill the void with other titles.
Again, saying they NEED a Mario game is saying Nintendo will fail.
Period.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I didn't say they NEED a Mario game in particular. I said they NEED a major 1st-party title. "Major" as in a Zelda, Mario, Metroid, etc.
Also, saying they need a Mario game isn't saying Nintendo will fail--that's an incredibly foolish leap of logic.
Nordique, what an awesome post!
If anything, it reinforces my stance that even a hardware half-step between generations is going to produce some fiiiiiine-lookin' games.
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And there's a small part of me that is considering not taking the full week off of work for this launch (five day weekend instead, perhaps?). If Pikmin is there, that question instantly goes out the window.
If anything, it reinforces my stance that even a hardware half-step between generations is going to produce some fiiiiiine-lookin' games.
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And there's a small part of me that is considering not taking the full week off of work for this launch (five day weekend instead, perhaps?). If Pikmin is there, that question instantly goes out the window.
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