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[Slayven]

Not true. Thor was mysteriously absent during WWH, and when he came back he had the full power of Odin- a massive power up. If you think any version of hulk is on Odin's level (and that's obliterating galaxies, smashing moons to dust, fighting across all existence simultaneously) you might want to rethink that. All-Father Thor took out the destroyer in one shot. There was also a really cool story with a Thor in the grips of warrior madness beating the hell out of Drax with a power gem and claiming it for himself, which is a really great story. (short version- no one can stop him, so they intentionally drag Thanos into it hoping he's the only one that can put down an enraged Thor. Thanos then goes toe to toe with Odin(!) )

Regardless, Defenders 10 is a good example of the hulk/thor relationship- marvel tends to put them on equal footing. There's also similar instances with Hulk vs. Juggernaut, Thor vs. Hercules, and Red Hulk is currently fighting the juggernaut version of colossus. That tier tends to get kind of hazy and basically comes down to who is having a better day.

Of course Thor coming at Hulk with his daddy's stroke is a different story. When it is just regular Thor, it is usually his hammer that saves him.

 

[shanshan310]

The film added $30.3 million internationally Friday, bringing its overseas haul to $334.3 million. Adding in its first-day domestic receipts, "The Avengers" has climbed to a worldwide total of $414.8 million.

Movie is making a fortune

Well, everyone I know who has seen it has seen it more than once. People just keep going back for more, and I intend to be one of them.

 

[jobber]

Wouldn't it kind of you know...difficult have stand alone movies now? Like whoever is the villain won't be seen as a major threat like a nerfed Loki.

 

[Dram]

When Hawkeye is on the plane

Spoiler

gearing up to attack the helicarrier, one of the mooks with him has a tattoo on his arm,

that the camera focuses on. Did anyone see what it was?

 

[ViewtifulJC]

I just boggles my mind that this film even works as well as it does, because it could have went wrong SO HORRIBLY. The fact that they've been building to it for several movies spread over half a decades, billions of dollars spending on giving us these characters, getting their origins out of the way, casting the right people for the job, etc. If ANY of these movies were a flop it would have taken a lot of shine off the Avengers. And then to put all these different characters in the same movie, away from their respective films with their own internal logic and relationships? And that not only did it work, but it's probably gonna end up as one of this summer's most fun and financially successful films?

It's a damn miracle this movie is the way it came out.

 

[mjc]

I just boggles my mind that this film even works as well as it does, because it could have went wrong SO HORRIBLY. The fact that they've been building to it for several movies spread over half a decades, billions of dollars spending on giving us these characters, getting their origins out of the way, casting the right people for the job, etc. If ANY of these movies were a flop it would have taken a lot of shine off the Avengers. And then to put all these different characters in the same movie, away from their respective films with their own internal logic and relationships? And that not only did it work, but it's probably gonna end up as one of this summer's most fun and financially successful films?

It's a damn miracle this movie is the way it came out.

It's definitely one for the history books.

 

[Manmademan]

Of course Thor coming at Hulk with his daddy's stroke is a different story. When it is just regular Thor, it is usually his hammer that saves him.

There have been different power levels for "regular thor" as there have been for hulk. Thor claiming the full power of the odinforce for himself is probably his peak (as WWH was for Hulk), but even without that he's still ridiculously strong.

Thor and Hercules almost threw the planet off its axis in a friendly arm wrestling match. Thor has leg pressed millions of tons. Throws his hammer at 4 times lightspeed. Fights in the core of the sun just because he can. Fought an army of giants (and zeus) for months without stopping..there aren't really concrete limits as to how strong "regular" thor actually is (with some caveats- the Eric Masterson version was definitively weaker, but is indistinguishable from "actual" thor without a lot of background and context, and there was a time when Thor couldn't die, but his body was brittle requiring him to wear a lot of armor).

and again, this goes for just about everyone on that tier. Gladiator has punched planets apart in a single hit. Marvel just calls it "incalculable" and refuses to set limits.

 

[Solo]

You know, I really only have 2 concerns going forward with Avengers movies. The first is that they'll eventually try to jam too many characters into the movies and it will become a case of quantity over quality. The second is the stakes. Somehow I doubt very much they actually have the balls to kill off Iron Man or Thor or whoever, so the threats will never feel real.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

You know, I really only have 2 concerns going forward with Avengers movies. The first is that they'll eventually try to jam too many characters into the movies and it will become a case of quantity over quality. The second is the stakes. Somehow I doubt very much they actually have the balls to kill off Iron Man or Thor or whoever, so the threats will never feel real.

Agreed.

One more concern I have is that I hope they don't fall into the Pirates of the Caribbean trap and make the next movie HULK: Starring the Avengers due to the insane reception of him.

 

[noah111]

I just boggles my mind that this film even works as well as it does, because it could have went wrong SO HORRIBLY. The fact that they've been building to it for several movies spread over half a decades, billions of dollars spending on giving us these characters, getting their origins out of the way, casting the right people for the job, etc. If ANY of these movies were a flop it would have taken a lot of shine off the Avengers. And then to put all these different characters in the same movie, away from their respective films with their own internal logic and relationships? And that not only did it work, but it's probably gonna end up as one of this summer's most fun and financially successful films?

It's a damn miracle this movie is the way it came out.

So fucking true.

Which makes a disaster imminent for Avengers 2 if it doesnt deliver on the hype established by 1

Also true. :|

 

[planar1280]

I just boggles my mind that this film even works as well as it does, because it could have went wrong SO HORRIBLY. The fact that they've been building to it for several movies spread over half a decades, billions of dollars spending on giving us these characters, getting their origins out of the way, casting the right people for the job, etc. If ANY of these movies were a flop it would have taken a lot of shine off the Avengers. And then to put all these different characters in the same movie, away from their respective films with their own internal logic and relationships? And that not only did it work, but it's probably gonna end up as one of this summer's most fun and financially successful films?

It's a damn miracle this movie is the way it came out.

Which makes a disaster imminent for Avengers 2 if it doesnt deliver on the hype established by 1

 

[Manmademan]

Agreed.

One more concern I have is that I hope they don't fall into the Pirates of the Caribbean trap and make the next movie HULK: Starring the Avengers due to the insane reception of him.

Well, that's the beauty of this strategy since the success of the Avengers means a Hulk film becomes more viable, and Hulk can really "shine" in his own films, and bring that audience back to Avengers 2- there's no need to make Avengers 2, Hulk #3.

That being said, yes the bar has been set Obscenely high by this film for every other superhero film after it, not just Avengers 2.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

You know, I really only have 2 concerns going forward with Avengers movies. The first is that they'll eventually try to jam too many characters into the movies and it will become a case of quantity over quality. The second is the stakes. Somehow I doubt very much they actually have the balls to kill off Iron Man or Thor or whoever, so the threats will never feel real.

Which makes a disaster imminent for Avengers 2 if it doesnt deliver on the hype established by 1

You can't stop fanboy expectations, but just keep in mind for yourself that Avengers 2 can't have the novelty of this, and embrace it. It probably won't have quite the same even-handed team dynamic in favor of a stronger plot. Which is fine, because this established the team dynamic in lieu of a stronger plot. It can still be very, very good, and awesome in a different way. But this is the movie that you were promised for so many years, right here, and you got it. Everything else is gravy.

 

[Fry]

Damn, great movie, had a great time. Won't get into details since I'm knackered and you guys have already covered everything, but I'll just say the highlights of the movie for me:

Tom Hiddleston: wow, what an actor. He IS Loki. Don't ever change that, Hollywood. I had a hard on for him the entire movie.

Scarlett Johansson: thought she kind of sucked in Iron Man 2, but she was incredible in The Avengers. Also, short hair suits her best.

Mark Ruffalo: Norton is one of my favorite actors, but Ruffalo nailed the role the most. Another one I wouldn't change anymore. And Hulk was clearly the biggest attraction of the movie. The audience always went crazy in his scenes, they were very funny too.

 

[Helmholtz]

For those who have seen this: will it matter that I haven't seen Captain America, Thor, or Iron Man 2?

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Which makes a disaster imminent for Avengers 2 if it doesnt deliver on the hype established by 1

Very true. I really hope they can get everybody back, especially Whedon. He wrote the screenplay and directed the film, he's really makes it all work. He crafted a film where everybody gets their cool moments, where they all work in unison with each other(and sometimes against each other). Just seeing the various characters interacting is awesome, like the budding relationship between Stark and Banner, or the great Widow/Loki interrogation. He's a comic geek who understands the characters, their dynamics and what they can do, and he knows a thing or two about ensemble casts facing fantastical threats. I gotta give him a lot of credit for the unprecedented miracle that this film turned out to be, and he should be there for Avengers 2.

But shit, I'm satisfied with just this film. They actually frickin' did it. They built up to and delivered an Avengers movie, and it was awesome. Everything after this is bonus.

 

[rollingstart]

You know, I really only have 2 concerns going forward with Avengers movies. The first is that they'll eventually try to jam too many characters into the movies and it will become a case of quantity over quality. The second is the stakes. Somehow I doubt very much they actually have the balls to kill off Iron Man or Thor or whoever, so the threats will never feel real.

You never know.

Spoiler

Nick Fury dying could happen, Maria Hill takes over. For the actual heroes with their own movies, yeah, I don't think so. Unless they do some story where Bruce Banner and Hulk get separated. Bruce Banner dies and Hulk gets sent into space to set up a Planet Hulk movie or something.

 

[B.K.]

I was going to go see it tonight, but the theater was full. There wasn't even any place to park. I guess a lot of people want to see The Avengers. The theater being closed for the last two or three months probably brought people in, too. This is the first weekend it's back open.

 

[Fry]

For those who have seen this: will it matter that I haven't seen Captain America, Thor, or Iron Man 2?

Nah, it's ok, it won't spoil the fun and that's what this movie is about.

Thor is the only one worth watching anyway. (Cap is OK, but you won't miss anything)

 

[Solo]

You never know.

Spoiler

Nick Fury dying could happen, Maria Hill takes over. For the actual heroes with their own movies, yeah, I don't think so. Unless they do some story where Bruce Banner and Hulk get separated. Bruce Banner dies and Hulk gets sent into space to set up a Planet Hulk movie or something.

Well yeah, I'm talking about the biggies. It would take brass balls to kill off one of Thor, Cap, Stark or Hulk, but thats the kind of bold move I'd love to see.

 

[Manmademan]

For those who have seen this: will it matter that I haven't seen Captain America, Thor, or Iron Man 2?

yes, it will matter. You CAN skip them, but Avengers works because a lot of the establishing character backstory was set up in other films. you'll get a single throwaway line about why Black widow and stark don't get along, or why Thor and Loki's relationship is the way it is, or why Captain America is pissed fury is hiding

Spoiler

hydra weapons on the helicarrier

 

[Nesotenso]

Very true. I really hope they can get everybody back, especially Whedon. He wrote the screenplay and directed the film, he's really makes it all work. He crafted a film where everybody gets their cool moments, where they all work in unison with each other(and sometimes against each other). Just seeing the various characters interacting is awesome, like the budding relationship between Stark and Banner, or the great Widow/Loki interrogation. He's a comic geek who understands the characters, their dynamics and what they can do, and he knows a thing or two about ensemble casts facing fantastical threats. I gotta give him a lot of credit for the unprecedented miracle that this film turned out to be, and he should be there for Avengers 2.

But shit, I'm satisfied with just this film. They actually frickin' did it. They built up to and delivered an Avengers movie, and it was awesome. Everything after this is bonus.

Everything you said but especially this. It's great when you have people like Feige and Whedon who understand he source material at the helm.

 

[Fry]

Is there a video for the scene after credits? I had to pee so bad I couldn't wait for it.

 

[noah111]

None of them will ever die, even Fury. They may be exiled, go into hiding, etc, but never killed. Just won't happen.

 

[DrForester]

None of them will ever die, even Fury. They may be exiled, go into hiding, etc, but never killed. Just won't happen.

Because Joss would never kill a character...

 

[Good Job Bob]

It's not up to Joss.

 

[Manmademan]

Because Joss would never kill a character...

It's not exactly up to Joss. Marvel (and Disney) make a ton of money on games, merchandise, other films, etc and there's always the books to consider. This isn't an original creation i.e. Firefly. Interconnecting the movies makes it even harder since you can't just "reboot" the captain america movie (for instance) to undo character death or plot points easily.

Even if Joss wants to kill Captain America (and this is unlikely since marvel just got done doing just that) Marvel Brass would probably veto it.

 

[BronsonLee]

One thing before I forget...The made for TV thing didn't seem like it applied at all. It looked -extremely- cinematic to me.

 

[Solo]

They should be allowed to kill off characters. Surely Marvel Studios realizes that within 5-10 years they will be needing to recast and reboot these movies anyways. So its not like killing Thor off in Avengers 2 means Thor will never be seen in a movie ever again.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Yeah it looked great.

Really, I'm stuffed, I couldn't possibly eat another bite of crow.

 

[Helmholtz]

yes, it will matter. You CAN skip them, but Avengers works because a lot of the establishing character backstory was set up in other films. you'll get a single throwaway line about why Black widow and stark don't get along, or why Thor and Loki's relationship is the way it is, or why Captain America is pissed fury is hiding

Spoiler

hydra weapons on the helicarrier

Hmm I see. Well I've already seen Iron Man 1 and Edward Norton's Hulk movie. Between Iron Man 2, Thor, and Cpt America, which one do you think I should watch tonight? I'm watching Avengers tomorrow morning so I'll only have time for one. I'm thinking Thor?

 

[Good Job Bob]

They should be allowed to kill off characters. Surely Marvel Studios realizes that within 5-10 years they will be needing to recast and reboot these movies anyways. So its not like killing Thor off in Avengers 2 means Thor will never be seen in a movie ever again.

No reboots, they said they'll just recast the actors when they decide to move on.

 

[Solo]

No reboots, they said they'll just recast the actors when they decide to move on.

So that ensures that none of these characters will ever bite it. I for one do not like that.

 

[Nesotenso]

They should be allowed to kill off characters. Surely Marvel Studios realizes that within 5-10 years they will be needing to recast and reboot these movies anyways. So its not like killing Thor off in Avengers 2 means Thor will never be seen in a movie ever again.

After the cycle they have planned out, I want them to put Avengers and the related characters on the shelf and give other IPs a shot.

An Iron Fist Movie !

 

[coldfoot]

You know what GAF, that infamous Hulk scene would make an excellent banned gif.
We should start using it in a few months when the Blu-ray comes out.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Any villain that isn't Darkseid and a billion boom tubes over Metropolis is a total fucking waste.

In line for my second viewing. Came an hour early and show was sold out. Now 1.5 hours to go for next show time and first in line. Feels good man.

 

[Manmademan]

Hmm I see. Well I've already seen Iron Man 1 and Edward Norton's Hulk movie. Between Iron Man 2, Thor, and Cpt America, which one do you think I should watch tonight? I'm watching Avengers tomorrow morning so I'll only have time for one. I'm thinking Thor?

hard to say. They're all decent films.

Iron Man 2 develops black widow, and SHIELD.
Thor develops Thor (obviously) and Loki, Introduces hawkeye, and there's some stuff with SHIELD and scientists that crop up in avengers later.
Captain America develops the plot device that Avengers revolves around and why it's a big deal.

its tough to point and say "that one is most important"

So that ensures that none of these characters will ever bite it. I for one do not like that.

not necessarily. Comics are notorious for killing off characters- its just having those deaths stick that an issue. If you're a comic fan, no one should be surprised that none of these characters are going to stay dead permanently- its practically a given. remember, these properties have had ongoing stories with few to zero reboots since the 1960s, and its in marvel's interest to keep them going as long as possible.

 

[BronsonLee]

So that ensures that none of these characters will ever bite it. I for one do not like that.

The only reason they would ever kill someone off is if they have another character popular enough to replace their particular part in the production schedule. Otherwise, it makes absolutely no business sense. Sad but true.

 

[TacticalFox88]

There have been different power levels for "regular thor" as there have been for hulk. Thor claiming the full power of the odinforce for himself is probably his peak (as WWH was for Hulk), but even without that he's still ridiculously strong.

Thor and Hercules almost threw the planet off its axis in a friendly arm wrestling match. Thor has leg pressed millions of tons. Throws his hammer at 4 times lightspeed. Fights in the core of the sun just because he can. Fought an army of giants (and zeus) for months without stopping..there aren't really concrete limits as to how strong "regular" thor actually is (with some caveats- the Eric Masterson version was definitively weaker, but is indistinguishable from "actual" thor without a lot of background and context, and there was a time when Thor couldn't die, but his body was brittle requiring him to wear a lot of armor).

and again, this goes for just about everyone on that tier. Gladiator has punched planets apart in a single hit. Marvel just calls it "incalculable" and refuses to set limits.

whatthefuckamireading.jpg. Holy fuck, and people thought DBZ was ridiculous in power levels?! What moron decided that all of that shit was remotely not ridiculous?

 

[TheOGB]

Hmm I see. Well I've already seen Iron Man 1 and Edward Norton's Hulk movie. Between Iron Man 2, Thor, and Cpt America, which one do you think I should watch tonight? I'm watching Avengers tomorrow morning so I'll only have time for one. I'm thinking Thor?

I'd say Thor, but that's the only one I've watched all the way through; still have to finish Iron Man and Iron Man 2. I might watch buy and watch Captain America, but I'm honestly not that interested.

I feel like watching Edward Norton's Hulk is now unnecessary after seeing Mark Ruffalo fit the role like a glove with his name embroidered in it.

 

[DrForester]

Joss will have a lot more pull after the success of this film. I think he could get away with a death or two.

 

[Manmademan]

I'd say Thor, but that's the only one I've watched all the way through; still have to finish Iron Man and Iron Man 2. I might watch buy and watch Captain America, but I'm honestly not that interested.

I feel like watching Edward Norton's Hulk is now unnecessary after seeing Mark Ruffalo fit the role like a glove with his name embroidered in it.

The Hulk movies are the least important- the only possible tie is that this hulk's origin (which is different from the mainstream hulk and ang lee's hulk) came about as an attempt to re-create Captain America.

other than that, there's no reason to rush and watch this one, though i did like the movie.

 

[Manmademan]

whatthefuckamireading.jpg. Holy fuck, and people thought DBZ was ridiculous in power levels?! What moron decided that all of that shit was remotely not ridiculous?

it's american comic books. And a lot of what the higher tier Marvel characters get away with makes DBZ look tame.

Thanos hangs out in black holes and comes back with only superficial scratches.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Joss will have a lot more pull after the success of this film. I think he could get away with a death or two.

I don't see it ever happening plus most people that get kill off in comics come back anyway .
Some might stay dead but there are not the big boys so it don't really matter .

it's american comic books. And a lot of what the higher tier Marvel characters get away with makes DBZ look tame.

Thanos hangs out in black holes and comes back with only superficial scratches.

Yep high tier Marvel characters just broken as hell lol.

 

[Affeinvasion]

whatthefuckamireading.jpg. Holy fuck, and people thought DBZ was ridiculous in power levels?! What moron decided that all of that shit was remotely not ridiculous?

It's supposed to be ridiculous...that's the whole point.

 

[TheYanger]

Hmm I see. Well I've already seen Iron Man 1 and Edward Norton's Hulk movie. Between Iron Man 2, Thor, and Cpt America, which one do you think I should watch tonight? I'm watching Avengers tomorrow morning so I'll only have time for one. I'm thinking Thor?

Do you have a working knowledge of the characters already in terms of like their origins and whatnot?
Obviously Loki is the villain. But all 3 of those films add a lot to the SHIELD stuff, Black Widow is in IM2, and Cap probably ties in the most directly in terms of making the threat of Avengers feel credible. As much as Cap was meh as a movie, I might pick that. idk. You really should see them all :/

 

[KevinCow]

not necessarily. Comics are notorious for killing off characters- its just having those deaths stick that an issue. If you're a comic fan, no one should be surprised that none of these characters are going to stay dead permanently- its practically a given. remember, these properties have had ongoing stories with few to zero reboots since the 1960s, and its in marvel's interest to keep them going as long as possible.

I would seriously hate it if Marvel introduced characters coming back to life in the movieverse. That's just a line you can't cross. Do it once, and that's it, character deaths don't mean anything anymore.

I wouldn't be opposed to killing off characters, but I hope they don't do it every time an actor wants to leave.

 

[coldfoot]

Hmm I see. Well I've already seen Iron Man 1 and Edward Norton's Hulk movie. Between Iron Man 2, Thor, and Cpt America, which one do you think I should watch tonight? I'm watching Avengers tomorrow morning so I'll only have time for one. I'm thinking Thor?

Thor is the best movie featuring the Avengers characters after Iron Man 1.

List of films from Best to Worst:

1. Avengers
2. Iron Man
3. Thor
4. Hulk 2
5. Iron Man 2
6. Hulk - Capt America

 

[noah111]

Because Joss would never kill a character...

It's not up to him. The only reason

Spoiler

he was able to kill off Coulson

is because has has literally no parallel in the comics in any meaningful way. Hell, I think

Spoiler

the reason Coulson has existed this whole time across the Marvel movies was simply to be able to kill someone off in Avengers

, tbh..

Joss will have a lot more pull after the success of this film. I think he could get away with a death or two.

He could get away with a thousands deaths, just not with anyone relevant to the story or who never perma-died in the comic universe.

 

[Solo]

I would seriously hate it if Marvel introduced characters coming back to life in the movieverse. That's just a line you can't cross. Do it once, and that's it, character deaths don't mean anything anymore.

Yup. Characters can only come back if its a reboot. But the resurrection BS comics are known for? Oh hell naw.