Spotless Mind
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Obviously those films took it too far.
Nolan has almost taken it to the opposite extreme, though.
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Marvel's The Avengers |OT| (Dir. Joss Whedon) [Spoilers unmarked]
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Nolan has almost taken it to the opposite extreme, though.TheKaeptain
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Hey don't get in the way of my entertainment. I'm reading someone claim that TDK and Bourne Ultimatum are the best ACTION films in the last decade! This is comedy gold.
Shit, the best action flick of this year was mostly unwatched...
THE RAID
MrPink93485
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There is a genuine reason the Academy Awards expanded their list of BP nominees to 10...
Just saying.
Angry Fork
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I said I wanted Batman to triumph over Ras. It was a personal struggle between him and Ras. I don't care about the people of Gotham. I don't care if Ras manages to unload the toxin. I care about Ras losing to Batman in that moment on the train. And there's a dynamic there because of the training they did together and the competing psychological ideologies. There is none of that feeling in Avengers.
And my response to the 'coming together' part.
MrPink93485
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Honestly, it's a question of whether it tops 200 million OW at this point. Those odds are looking quite good.
soundscream
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Yeah why would you follow Captain Americas orders, not like he was a Captain in the army or anything........
Like I posted a few pages back, the person who's got a better record than Nikki says its 70M or more.
Zoramon089
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Can we get back to talking about how this was a better Hulk movies than the other 2 combined? That scene with Black Widow cowering in the corner, hoping he doesn't find her, just makes it
So are we not counting the movies that lead up to this? I thought that was the whole point.
Next Hulk should be a horror film, in which Hulk is the monster chasing the protag and then gets his shit together to save them in the end
or maybe just straight horror
It's going to Hulk smash it, bro.
Oxigen_Waste
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I see. We have nothing to discuss then. You lot actually like what I hate. This discussion is completely futile. Once people started favourably comparing Batman Begins' action to TDK's I understood I was just in the wrong place. It's funny seeing things from this side, though. It's like a mirrored image.
Just to make this clear... I don't really think TDK's action is ALL THAT GOOD, but I do firmly agree with Ultimatum's standing within the serious movie industry. In your opinion, Casino Royale action > Bourne Ultimatum action?
Like I said in my last post (well next to last), Nikki sucks at Weekend multipliers.
68M would be a bigger Friday (without midnights) to Saturday increase than normal for Marvel movies, so a 185M weekend prediction is laughable.
Fri - 80.5M
Sat - 68M
Sun - 48M (30% drop)
Total = 196.5M
With a 68M Saturday, 195M for the weekend is the low end estimate. 200M is definitely a possibility. The film would need a 24% drop on Sunday, which is light but not unheard of.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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And that's a big underprojection. $68m will mean, like, exactly $200m, and I'm pretty certain it'll go higher.
Affeinvasion
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I agree 100% but I think it was pretty forward looking too. Just knowing that Loki was something's pawn the whole time was pretty impressive (that's saying something considering in the Marvel universe Loki is almost always behind things, pulling the strings). However, the payoff doesn't come for a while in that kind of setup.
Oh man, for serious. The build-up to him actually Hulking out took forever, but when he did, it was damn terrifying.
MrPink93485
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The Sat # will go up, and it's gonna drop 25% or less on Sunday with the WOM working out the way it is.
Also, why the fuck is TDK being the go-to movie to compare this to? I swear, every fucking comic book movie thread you have people who love TDK comparing said movie to it, and people that feel TDK needs to be knocked down comparing said movie to it.
The Avengers is Michael Bay's Transformers done right. A big dumb action movie with funny comedy, and is actually good. This is the movie that makes people who defend Transformers 2 and 3 with "just turn your brain off, it's not for critics, etc etc" look like the fools they are.
Whedon had Bay's budget and Bay's ILM, and made him look like a fool.
The Avengers is Michael Bay's Transformers done right. A big dumb action movie with funny comedy, and is actually good. This is the movie that makes people who defend Transformers 2 and 3 with "just turn your brain off, it's not for critics, etc etc" look like the fools they are.
Whedon had Bay's budget and Bay's ILM, and made him look like a fool.
Spotless Mind
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It's not even a contest. I'm having trouble recalling one memorable set piece in Ultimatum.
Yes to make it clear I don't even remember much about Bourne Ultimatum anymore because the shakycam abuse in the film gave me a headache. I can't even remember if Supremacy or Ultimatum was worse in this aspect honestly, because I have zero interest in revisiting any of them because of possible motion sickness. I enjoyed the films though, in spite of that. I just don't want to ever see them again.
My biggest complaint with the film is how the revelation that Shield had been studying the Tesseract to create Phase 2 weaponry became some big deal-breaker. It made no sense. Of course humanity would want to reverse-engineer alien technology in order to eventually equal Asgardian/other alien military might. No one should have been upset about that.
XiaNaphryz
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As opposed to the other sort of movie industry? What?
So for the Gaffers who work in the industry, where do we belong? ;P
Because, like it or not, warranted or not, that's the current standard to compare any comic book movie to at this moment in time.
Agreed. Even with 68M for Saturday, that is a 10% increase over Friday numbers without midnights. Clearly the movie has not burnt through its demand yet.
MrPink93485
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I think it's natural given the pedestal position TDK was placed upon for the past 4 years.
I prefer Nolan's films, but certainly Marvel fans deserve to enjoy the moment for the time being.
I think the way they played the scene was a bit artificial, but Captain America actually had legit reasons to be pissed. For him, it was more personal.
What he found was not just Tesseract enhanced weapons, but old Hydra tech that SHIELD was replicating. The same tech he was sent to destroy in WW2.
Angry Fork
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I think Batman Begins is better but it's not hard to see why TDK is the go-to one. It's the biggest grossing, it's the most 'epic' with the biggest set pieces, it has the most well known and arguably best villain in comic history, great imagery and imax camera stuff, it's able to juggle multiple big time characters and make audiences care what happens etc.
It was the superhero film that made people sort of gasp at the end of it and give you goosebumps. It was a large scale experience and when Batman rides that motorcycle up at the end everyone starts clapping. If you went to TDK at opening in an IMAX theater especially in a city it was a real event. Every comic book movie is going to be compared to it.
Affeinvasion
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Also Bucky died, he was frozen and lost his love interest because that was the shit he was trying to stop from ever happening again.
Also the guns are one thing...then Stark pulls up the plans for a bomb.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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I would not be surprised at just a 20% drop on Sunday; it's Saturday decrease will end up less than Spider-Man 3 despite more nearly double the midnights, and that had a 22% Sunday decline.
Scapegoat
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Man I'm not getting the love for this movie at all! Saw it the other day with my gf and another couple, felt as bored as I did when I saw Ang Lee's Hulk (okay, not quite as bored). What's strange is I wasn't particularly hyped having not heard about how it was faring, and I really wanted to like it because I love Joss Whedon.
My biggest issues were the lackluster story, Loki being a poor villain, and disappointing action scenes for most of the movie. I thought most of the action suffered from a serious case of Michael Bay's Transforming Piles of Garbage Syndrome. Really close shots and constant cutting meant you could only just tell what was happening after you brain worked it out, a second after the fact.
The best scene in the movie IMO (action wise) is during the final fight when they do a single long shot, passing each of the heroes as they fight the hordes. Unlike every other fight scene in the movie in this one they kept the camera back, so you could see both the heroes and the enemies full frame, and they kept the shot constant, not cutting every 2 seconds, so you could see what the characters were doing. For those 45 glorious seconds you could actually watch the live action heroes doing their cool shit as it was shown in the comics/cartoons! WHY COULDN'T THE ENTIRE MOVIE BE LIKE THAT!? Fourtyfive seconds out of 90 minutes, and it only cost $200+ million. I mean Batman Begins had this problem, but they resolved it in the Dark Knight.
To me the pinnacle of comic book movies is still The Dark Knight, followed by Spiderman 1 & 2, and X-Men 2. That said I'm happy that Joss Whedon has finally gotten the mainstream success he deserves, and it's great that heaps of people are really loving the film.
My biggest issues were the lackluster story, Loki being a poor villain, and disappointing action scenes for most of the movie. I thought most of the action suffered from a serious case of Michael Bay's Transforming Piles of Garbage Syndrome. Really close shots and constant cutting meant you could only just tell what was happening after you brain worked it out, a second after the fact.
The best scene in the movie IMO (action wise) is during the final fight when they do a single long shot, passing each of the heroes as they fight the hordes. Unlike every other fight scene in the movie in this one they kept the camera back, so you could see both the heroes and the enemies full frame, and they kept the shot constant, not cutting every 2 seconds, so you could see what the characters were doing. For those 45 glorious seconds you could actually watch the live action heroes doing their cool shit as it was shown in the comics/cartoons! WHY COULDN'T THE ENTIRE MOVIE BE LIKE THAT!? Fourtyfive seconds out of 90 minutes, and it only cost $200+ million. I mean Batman Begins had this problem, but they resolved it in the Dark Knight.
To me the pinnacle of comic book movies is still The Dark Knight, followed by Spiderman 1 & 2, and X-Men 2. That said I'm happy that Joss Whedon has finally gotten the mainstream success he deserves, and it's great that heaps of people are really loving the film.
Affeinvasion
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And then you got the preachy Gordon poetry moment where I went Picard: WTF is this Shit?
Futurevoid
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Except for Cap who spent his military life taking down Hydra for doing the exact same thing. I'd have been more upset if he would have been all "Yeah, I'm cool with it." since THAT wouldn't have made any sense at all.
Or Thor who spends a good portion of some scenes trying to tell them all that they have no business trying to control a power like the Tesseract and that it belongs in Asgard.
Nor would a pacifist/scientist like Banner blink his eyes at the military developing an aliens weapon program either.
I don't know. That felt pretty well explained in the movie to me.
Just because TDK is the most highly regarded, critically acclaimed superhero movie and still the #1 at the box-office.
I havent seen Avengers yet so I wont respond to the rest of the post. But yeah, people are high on the Avengers excitement, its only understandable that the hype for this movie right now is through the roof and GAF is no exception.
XiaNaphryz
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Makes sense for Stark, considering the whole "getting out of the weapons business" thing that he went through, for Cap since that's what he was fighting against in WW2 with Hydra, and Thor just wanted it back.
MrPink93485
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Heh...despite the fact it's not in anyway realistic speech, I thought it was an excellent summation of who Batman is. Love the ending.
There's nothing to discuss because you've yet to actually talk about anything besides "the world's most respected authority." Not to mention the patronizing attitude.
Don't forget Tony spending two movies dealing with illicit weapons manufacturing. All the major players had an axe to grind.
So because it wasn't personal between one protagonist and one antagonist it didn't have any weight for you?
I mean, anyone could argue that there is due to Thor and Loki being brothers and Thor feeling responsible for his actions since that's the motivating factor behind Loki being hellbent on ruling Earth, but I'm not sure what were you expecting.
Were you in the bathroom for the exchange between Rogers and Stark after Fury lectured them? Did it need to spelled out to you explicitly that they both felt guilty for Phil's death for different reasons? He idolized Captain America and was responsible for protecting Pepper in Iron Man. Captain America saw firsthand the power of the cube and the threat it presented. Thor decreed himself protector of Earth and Loki's words obviously had some underlining truth in how crappy of a job he was doing on that by himself. After he crashed landed on Earth from the falling hamster wheel there was a moment where Thor hesitated at picking up Mjolnir. Hawkeye felt immensely guilty about being mind controlled and forced to kill his fellow SHIELD agents and that ties into Black Widow's reasoning. If you watched this movie and didn't understand that they all wanted to stop Loki for different reasons then I'm not sure what else to say to you.
I get that, but I honestly feel it's become even more transparent on GAF and are just thinly veiled "I love TDK!" "I hate TDK!" discussions most of the time.
Affeinvasion
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Few things boggle my mind more than low-brow/middle-brow elitism.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Hero, I'd spoiler quite a bit of your post to be safe. ;P
PhoncipleBone
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Holy christ...this has a shot at $190-$200 million opening weekend?
I expected this to be huge, but not THAT huge.
Deadline has lowballed the first two days of this. The theater tonight was fucking crazy busy, and it was the second night. How big will the second weekend be?
I expected this to be huge, but not THAT huge.
Deadline has lowballed the first two days of this. The theater tonight was fucking crazy busy, and it was the second night. How big will the second weekend be?
MagicWithEarvin
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Man, all I gotta say is that the movie was enjoyable as hell - good humor, great visuals and action scenes. I want to see it again!
Oxigen_Waste
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I do think that. And so do the folks and S&S and AC and so forth. You know, the ones that count?
That scene in particular is one of the best fight scenes of all time, in my opinion.
Indentity and Supremacy are mostly wank. They're just there to lead up to Ultimatum.
But alas, now I understand why this failure to communicate has gotten to this point. You lot enjoy the gloss. You like Hollywood's much hated approach.
You do understand the film community pretty much flatout completely disagrees, right? I mean, why on earth do you think Paul Greengrass won all those awards and became such a revered professional? That video on the link up there is how you shoot a real action scene.
If I sound condescending... it's because I am being condescending. Sorry. =\
soundscream
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Excise me Sr that kind of logical post has no place here, move along.
la flama blanca
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Avengers was awesome. Way better than The Dark Knight, that movie was assballs and Heath was a terrible Joker.
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