abstract alien
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For a next gen system, that should be too bad at a meager 1080p, right? What kind of PC does it take to run that at said resolution, at a mostly stable 30fps?
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For a next gen system, that should be too bad at a meager 1080p, right? What kind of PC does it take to run that at said resolution, at a mostly stable 30fps?
Jesus christ yes!
agreed. that shit is nice as hell
GameplayWhore
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I sometimes inadvertently post things in a way that seem to appear as offensive. This is never intended, and I apologize if it came out that way. My intent is always light quirkiness with the hope of causing amusement or informativeness in others.
How about a large-scale team based online shooter where one player on each team acts as the commander and draws out a battle plan (with specific roles for individual players or classes) on the map displayed on the tablet screen? The strategist can receive intel about the enemy's activity and the flow of battle from (non-killed) units via microphone, and use it to update the plan, which can be sent out to every team mate's DRC at any point. Maybe there could be an engineer class that could set up a camera so the commander would be able to get a real time view of a section of the battlefield. Also, the commander can punish units who ignore the directives and play it like a standard run and gun shooter.
It would be a very hardcore shooter designed for the patient, and thus unlikely to appear on consoles with the current climate, but it could create amazing experiences for those dedicated enough to play properly.
Makes me want to wander around through Morrowind or Oblivion one more time before the U arrives, honestly.
whoa... that sounds freaking awesome. shit, i'd play a single player game like this
GameplayWhore
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That's a little like the Ghost Recon trailer, right? Well, your version seems quite a bit more fleshed out than what they showed there.
edit: that thing, for those who missed it.
Its called stupidity. This generation has clearly shown that the so called industry professionals are clueless. The video game industry has to be the most badly run sector of the entire computer/electronic's industry. I swear to God my university professors will flip at a lot of the decisions the top men of this industry make. I refuse to believe the majority of "experts" in this industry perform any form of "risk management" before they approve a new project.
I really doubt it can.
Thanks!
I haven't seen that actually. Watching now.
abstract alien
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Do you think it would help if Nintendo, on launch, did have a few high profile mainstream games aimed directly at the GeOW, Call of Duty, Halo, etc crowd? I'm talking titles that are developed by Retro and maybe Capcom(not a stretch considering), which can make most current gen stuff look pretty iffy. I know that is a best case scenario outside of getting an exclusive GTA or something, but do you think it would do anything? I'm not even sure anymore...
I still refuse to believe there was no Star Wars Light Saber game. That shit had more free money written on it than a FFVII remake, and it still didn't get to us some how.
I would take like half that to run on a console at moderate speed though, right? Considering almost all available resources are allotted to the actual software running, I would assume so, but I don't know much about the details on that type of thing.
What is it about UE4 that would preclude it from running on Wii U? We don't know the requirements, but it's safe to assume DX11-level hardware would be the main factor. So what else is there to it? As long as Wii U has a modern architecture like that, what would be keeping PS4 and Xbox 3 UE4 games from scaling down to it?
GameplayWhore
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It's probably the best third party trailer of a recent Nintendo product I've seen… well, in a long while. It doesn't go HEY LOOK AT THIS SPECIAL FEATURE THING ISN'T IT GREAT the whole time, it just sort of silently inserts the new functionality into the commercial, and you're left to be impressed by the ability to do something new in addition to the normal, fun experience you're already used to.
edit: I meant in terms of product presentation -- I do see why some people were annoyed by the actors
boiled goose
good with gravy
You don't necessarily need the entirety of the the COD audience. You just need a healthy base of mainstream gamers outside of the 10 million or so nintendo faithful.
If nintendo can secure a steady stream of core games then Wii U will be able to achieve something Wii could not. The question is if this will happen or not. How well do WiiU core games need to perform? How close does the Wii U need to be to the other next gen consoles? How easy will nintendo make implementation of standard online features?
Look at the success of early core games on Wii. RE4, Red Steel, etc. There was a userbase for these types of games initially. The problem is support never came and it was eventually crystal clear that if you wanted those types of games you had to buy another console.
ViewtifulJC
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Mr. MondayNight
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Fourth Storm
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Could this be the type of lighting WiiU has hardwired in?
I wouldn't really call that being realistic. You just have very low expectations.
ViewtifulJC
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That sounds so shitty that it's pretty likely to happen
why do you do this to me, user33. I thought we were friends.
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
How many gigaflops is that pushing?
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By the way, that's the first time I've seen a pond with a waterfall.
Yeah, it's pretty slick.
This is why it's really important to keep the core gamer momentum up this time around. Nintendo can't afford to pull the kind of shenanigans they did in 2008.
Mr. Negativity, indeed
Mr. Rationality, maybe. Or 'Mr. Tempered Expectations'.
I've learned that reasonable but optimistic expectations are best. Expecting the worst actually leads to greater disappointment due to making you more cynical. If I enter expecting the worst and I get the worst, I'll still be disappointed, but if I expect better I'll look for the good parts so that I stay happy.
As it stands, at least two "insiders" said that Nintendo was adjusting their hardware a bit for third-party needs. In addition, the only physical thing the Wii U's GPU really needs to get added to it to run UE4 or any other DX11-based engine if it is indeed based on R700 is a better tessellation unit. However, it's probably based on something a bit newer than that, like the 5000 series. Basically, Nintendo would have to be actively trying to avoid running UE4 for it to be technically incapable. It wouldn't really save them any money, and tessellation actually has gameplay applications that Nintendo isn't likely to ignore. I'd say that there's a 90% chance of Wii U having the capabilities needed to run UE4.
Now, you're basically expecting an overclocked 360. That means that that's what you're going to be looking for, and it's going to cause flaws to stand out more than they would if you were optimistic. Basically, Nintendo's going to have to absolutely blow you away for you to be impressed. You'll know that you're entering with the lowest possible expectations, and if it only meets those expectations, you'll know that it only met your most pessimistic expectations and you'll blame Nintendo for not doing better. Meanwhile, if you enter with the best possible expectations and it doesn't meet them, you just think that you set your expectations too high and you'll eventually be more accepting.
We're just gettin' started. Watch the shitstorm continue.
If the rumour of EA and co. pushing for a normal generational jump pans out then I think a crash will most definitely happen. As an IT professional I find it very difficult and hard to accept some of the decisions that are being made by top executives at a lot of video game companies. A person can model a "Do's and Don't s" computer project management text book for university students based on the shit that went down this generation.
I know I'm gonna love it. But then again, I've been a Nintendo-only gamer in terms of console gaming - so I'm going to see a leap from GameCube all the way to beyond the 360. That's gonna be a pretty blissful jump.
boiled goose
good with gravy
That would be a disastrous E3 presentation.
It would basically say: you don't need a Wii U if you have a PS360, you don't need a WiiU if you have a Wii.
Well, if you want to use the tablet in these fun minigames you sure should buy it!
2006 was quite a nice E3 for nintendo, even though the Wii was underpowered. I definitely hope Nintendo can do better than the terrible scenario you described.
I definitely agree that this generation of consoles is an amazing case study. From the marketing and success of the Wii despite its shortcomings, to the decisions third party studios made throughout the generation.
There's a thin line between "realistic" and "pessimistic". Nintendo would have to go out of their way to make something that's only on-par.
I know I'm gonna love it. But then again, I've been a Nintendo-only gamer in terms of console gaming - so I'm going to see a leap from GameCube all the way to beyond the 360. That's gonna be a pretty blissful jump.
This is, of course, another way to take it. It's still optimistic, so it avoids most of the negative outcomes of the other two choices. It's basically the "no expectations" route, which just might be the best.
Well.. to me it seems like we have people with the judgement skills of high school boys making big decisions at these companies. "Duuuuuh.. ME MAKE PRETTY GAME" seems to be the order of the day; damn the budget or anything sustainable, haha!!!
I, uh...um...
What an utterly bizarre argument.
tkscz
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Not as much as some people here are thinking.
Here is a higher quality version of the same demo,
And here is a DX9 level version.
What I posted originally seems in between the two (probably the DX11 version but on a weaker PC, with lower settings).
What I find disturbing is that so many gaffers feel that this gen was all roses and gumdrops.
People are dumb.
Man I hope they do a Skyrim release for Wii U.
Don't we already know that Cryengine 3 runs on it? If so, it's just a matter of scaling back, if anything.
Yeah those specs are pretty modest.
Yep.
If I am being negative, it's because in the past I've felt the sting of being let down when I was expecting too much. I'll be very satisfied if Nintendo exceed my (imo) reasonable expectations.
Unreal Engine 3 runs on Wii U, but that doesn't mean we should expect it to run Samaritan.
ViewtifulJC
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Would the PS360 be able do it? Then the Wii U should be able to do it. I don't think Nintendo has any interest in targeting specs much higher than today's systems. Not trolling here, but if they're trying to save money this would make since. This formula made Nintendo too much money with the Wii, it would be stupid not to do it with the Wii U. Losing money on hardware is more of a concern to Nintendo than not getting as much third party support down the road. Nintendo is focusing on their strengths with this system, it'd be a losing battle to fight with Sony and MS in the high spec space. Nintendo's main focus right now actually should be making Wii U have a lucrative business model where third party's can make money without too much risk involved and less limitations to what they can and cannot do.
boiled goose
good with gravy
For me the only thing that keeps me somewhat optimistic are Nintendo's comments about the Wii U.
There comments are always very clear about what they hope to achieve with the WiiU. They want the mainstream gamers that they lost with the Wii. If the WiiU is severly underpowered (and lacking a modern architecture to ensure ports) I have no idea how Nintendo hopes to achieve what they are talking about.
The Japanese side of things could actually be the most interesting. Nintendo is very very Japan focused. I wonder if they are really speaking from the perspective of what happened in Japan mostly and they hope to have a stronger presence with Japanese console gamers.
AceBandage
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Weaker than a TI-90.
Personally the only people I think who can have realistic expectations are the few who have inside info.
Shin Johnpv
Member
SO the question then becomes about the GPU. I know I read you and Wisppel were speculating on some things. I'll admit I'm way behind on these threads, since I've been so busy I haven't been able to keep up.
Anyway the point of this post, I wonder if the Wii-U is going to be a greater than the Sum of it's parts kind of thing. A machine going for efficiency over brute force. For example we know there's going to be an audio DSP on there, which takes some of the work off the CPU. If the next MS and Sony consoles don't have audio DSP's, that helps balances things. Hopefully I worded that right.
The point in regards to the GPU. We know that the Wii-U can do some really nice GI/Radiosity stuff, at a level of IQ better than the current gen. Based on the bird demo that was made on Alpha kits. If I remember right you guys speculated they might have some lighting, or tev 2.0 stuff built into the hardware. IF they did include some form GI/Ambient Occlusion/Radiosity type stuff in hardware that would help close the gap between the Wii-U and hardware that is more beefy but doesn't have that stuff built in.
It's just a thought. I could see Nintendo going for a very efficient but not brute force design. I think it could end up being like the Gamecube, where on paper the systems specs aren't that impressive, but the actual output is beyond what the paper seems to say is possible.
Just some speculation, *shrug* maybe it's not accurate. I really have no idea, we'll see I suppose come E3. Maybe you guys already touched on this stuff and gave it the thumbs up or dismissed it, I can't completely keep up with these damn threads.
It is dirty and wrong. Blame Nvidia, they're the ones who started it with the very first Geforce and Quadro cards. Hell I had a Geforce and Geforce II that were soft modded into Quadro cards back in the day. Before that there were companies making dedicated workstation level cards. 3D Labs Wildcat cards were amazing, and expensive beasts back in the day. Matrix was another one that made really high end pro cards, I think they still make some pretty high end 2D cards. Then Nvidia made it so those companies just couldn't compete, nor keep up in the RnD department.
So now we have pro cards that are just gamer cards with full open gl drivers.
Realistic: Enough of an increase to have games that will look noticeably better.
Pessimistic: Another Wii, "overclocked 360" etc etc.
The Xtortionist
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If you encounter anyone from Retro Studios, tell them I said hi
Not really. No matter what, you're going to subconsciously hope for something better. However, in one case you think, "as bad as I expected," and to make things worse there are going to be things that end up below even your lowest expectations. What do you do then? However, if you have your maximum expectations, you're less surprised to see things fall below what you expect because your subconsciously know that it won't reach your lofty expectations. In addition, you enter with a positive disposition.
The point is, you're going to be disappointed in some ways no matter what you do, so aiming for the lowest doesn't really help. It'll just make you one of the people struggling to bring the happy people back down to earth. I'm not saying go crazy, but at least be balanced but leaning towards optimism.
If you don't believe me, all that you have to look at is the reactions to the Zelda HD demo and the third-party reel from last-year's E3.
Nope. They don't run DX11 features.
Let's get positive: Nintendo and the companies who do business with them will probably do well, especially if they come-up with a really good ad campaign for this fall. Something on the level of "Wii Would Like to Play."
Being less cutesy.. I think the regulars in this thread seem pretty realistic/optimistic regarding the console's power level, just judging by the survey results I've been reading.
It seems like we really, really don't trust third parties. Particularly western ones. Or the gaming media. And many of us seem to feel out of touch with the core gamers crowd. It's our hobby (hell, it's everyone's hobby), but "those schmoes" dominate the field.
Correct. IdeaMan and bgassassin know where this journey will end. They've told us how off we are, and how close we are in guessing the future of this console. I think they know we'll be satisfied for the most part. In the end, I believe Ninty's decisions will benefit everyone. Well not EVERYONE, as there are those who just won't play a Nintendo system, and/or just won't like it
nintendors
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wait WTF is Oban ?? what happened ?? did Ideaman drop the bobomb ???
seriously guys -_- I leave u (for a 6 hrs sleep) and all this happen
maybe Ideaman/ShockingAlberto/ or bg could do their own Nintendo Direct and give a date and time 1st before dropping those bobombs >.<*
seriously guys -_- I leave u (for a 6 hrs sleep) and all this happen
maybe Ideaman/ShockingAlberto/ or bg could do their own Nintendo Direct and give a date and time 1st before dropping those bobombs >.<*
My estimated launch day purchases, presuming all these titles are there day 1:
Colonel Marines
BLOPS II (just to show support, probably wont play much)
Pikmin 3
AC3
Arkham City
Darksiders 2
I may or may not purchase Rayman, it really depends on how I'm feeling at the time. The same goes for Killer Freaks
$360 for games and a high end estimate of $350 for the console = $710 + tax = roughly $780 single day purchase. It's gonna be a good day
Colonel Marines
BLOPS II (just to show support, probably wont play much)
Pikmin 3
AC3
Arkham City
Darksiders 2
I may or may not purchase Rayman, it really depends on how I'm feeling at the time. The same goes for Killer Freaks
$360 for games and a high end estimate of $350 for the console = $710 + tax = roughly $780 single day purchase. It's gonna be a good day
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