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It was confirmed by Antonz to be weak as fuck.
hahaha..
may be he saw SNES or perhaps NES
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
These are tech demos made specifically to showcase raw graphical processing with no game mechanics, AI, and other variables required to render and stream. If you're expecting a 'minimum' of this I feel legitimately sorry for you, because you're going to be unbelievably disappointed.
hahaha..
may be he saw SNES or perhaps NES
Nintendo games will look so damn fucking good on the Wii U. Xbox 360 + More RAMZ and a little more shiny effects (like wet stone will look super wet, wet walls will look super wet, characters will look wet from sweat).
Link?
stupidvillager
Neo Member
Doesn't even have to be 2011-12 to be DX11. DX11 is 2009 tech. So..double confirmed.
test_account
XP-39C²
In my opinion, that game is already perfect, from the controls to the graphics. I dont think that a remake would be able to make it better, or even on par to be honest. I'd still be interested to see how they would have made a remake though, but i'm guessing that it would be in 2.5D, unfortunately (i highly prefer 2D sprites).
walking fiend
Member
Has there been any console reveal without any leaks whatsoever?
It's getting on my nerves honestly
It's getting on my nerves honestly
Well based on what we saw during E3, I think its reasonable. and secondly these tech demos are running on PC (general purpose OS on general purpose cpu/ram/etc).. embedded systems (closed system) is quite different for development.
GC GPU was in the class of geforce2, but what I have seen and played is better than those demos and even pc gaming.
There you go, for who was asking for a link, he is a known developer
Actually those are EXE files you can download and run on those cards to get the same performance, otherwise they would be sued for false avertising, but don't take my word for it, download one and run it
No prob' it was just for the fun, anticipating haters reactions. I don't stress too much about the Wii U's spec', I'm sure it will be fine for what it needs to do (Nintendo strategy and port friendly). My concerns are more about lineup, features and Upad (1 or 2?)...
Nintendo almost always understates tech demos. OMG BUT TEH DEMOZ DID NOT HAVE TEH AI AND PHYZIX etc. They account for that. The fucking spider Link fought was made of like 3 dozen polygons, was aliased to hell and had weird hairs sticking out, clearly not fur shading but more like 2D billboard textures.
Depends, the graphics in that demo is just ruby and the robot, the demo is a blended video/cg demo, so if you expect that level of detail from the video to be on say XB3... WELL real life is probably not something it can mimic with complete accuracy, however just ruby or the robot should be obtainable on the Wii U with enough time spent on the models.
I get the sense its like taking a really, really underwhelming mobile GPU, cheap as goddamn hell to manufacture and tweaking it just so to sneak in some modern effects and calling it a day. If it runs over 500 mhz I would be shocked.
A page or two back, he simply said that he thinks they could have done better... I would expect 2X-3X 360 at this point without counting fixed function shaders, which should give it a nice bump with the devs that choose to use it.
2 to 3x would be very nearly indistinguishable in realistic terms.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
on neogaf there is one thing that is always consistent, and that's extremes.
It was confirmed by Antonz to be weak as fuck.
Weak as fuck seems like an overstatement, no?
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Do I create the impression of somebody who's lost hope? : )
Actually, I expect one of the extra benefits of games playable on either screens to be a hefty amount of MSAA when on the pad.
Well the effects should be noticeable, but if it gets to 3X 360... The PS4/XB3 will only be 3X greater then that, except same effects, and Wii U's fixed function shaders not being part of the equation.
Is the fixed feature stuff even confirmed...?
Father_Brain
Banned
I would think that it should at least be enough for a resolution or framerate bump in most multiplatform titles that aren't rendering a full 3D scene to the controller. I doubt we'll actually see many like that, though.
I don't see it getting to 3X, or even 2X. The 50% rumor is starting to make sense. Now, mind you that it will have twice as much RAM and some newer effects, the games will look nicer, but it won't be by very much.
bgassassin
Member
And as I've mentioned before exclusives for PS4 and Xbox3 will negate the Wii U's extras in the GPU. Because just like exclusives will take advantage of those things in Wii U's hardware, PS4 and Xbox 3 exclusives will take better advantage of their hardware.
Lol neogaf extreme at its best I see. What leads you to a 50% bump, EA for instance went on record calling it a "Stop Gap" in terms of performance, which lends to the belief of a half way between gens system.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Ah. Apologies. It's been a long day here.
Father_Brain
Banned
I think that was Gearbox.
And yeah, the optimistic interpretation of "stopgap" would be that it's both the high end of the current generation and the low end of next, but we'll have to see if it actually plays out that way.
http://www.nintengen.com/2012/05/splinter-cell-6-wii-u-specific-details.html
After watching Hip Hop Gamer's vid about Splinter Cell and a possible WiiU version,
I really think we have nothing to worry about. He doesn't come across as a Nintendo
fanboy, so when he states that 'no doubt about it, WiiU is next gen', thats a statement
one can take seriously.
But more importantly, when talking about the PS3 he mentions how early in the PS3's
life cycle, there was this belief that the system due, to technical issues, couldn't pull of certain games. But now we can see that these "technicalities" are pretty much hogwash. And presently, one can argue that the PS3 is actually the most powerful console at the moment.
How does this relate to the WiiU? Statements from developers saying the console
is weaker than current gen, or not much stronger than current gen, is B.S. Especially, before seeing any AAA first party games. An HD console supporting two screens already told me Nintendo was making a beast system.
And Im seriously starting to think that the differences between the PS4/XB3 and the WiiU
will be about the same difference between the 360 and PS3. There will be a lot of bragging from the two competitors and Nintendo will stay modest, because they will let their games do the talking for them. And this time, Nintendo gets to show them off first.
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After watching Hip Hop Gamer's vid about Splinter Cell and a possible WiiU version,
I really think we have nothing to worry about. He doesn't come across as a Nintendo
fanboy, so when he states that 'no doubt about it, WiiU is next gen', thats a statement
one can take seriously.
But more importantly, when talking about the PS3 he mentions how early in the PS3's
life cycle, there was this belief that the system due, to technical issues, couldn't pull of certain games. But now we can see that these "technicalities" are pretty much hogwash. And presently, one can argue that the PS3 is actually the most powerful console at the moment.
How does this relate to the WiiU? Statements from developers saying the console
is weaker than current gen, or not much stronger than current gen, is B.S. Especially, before seeing any AAA first party games. An HD console supporting two screens already told me Nintendo was making a beast system.
And Im seriously starting to think that the differences between the PS4/XB3 and the WiiU
will be about the same difference between the 360 and PS3. There will be a lot of bragging from the two competitors and Nintendo will stay modest, because they will let their games do the talking for them. And this time, Nintendo gets to show them off first.
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IMO the API the core architecture was originally designed from is somewhat pointless since these GPUs can be tweaked and altered in various ways with each component reaching a certain level of performance or efficiency.
I'm curious, what was it at E3 that leads you to believe you'll be playing games with that level of fidelity?
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You're setting yourself up for disappointment.
I'm curious, what was it at E3 that leads you to believe you'll be playing games with that level of fidelity?
Edit:
You're setting yourself up for disappointment.
Yeah well I expect the PS4/XB3 to look 2X to 3X betters but what exactly does that look like? When does budgets get high enough to not look any better... Think of MS, they announced an AAAA title is in the works, I am fairly sure this is for XB3, and you know what will be AAAA about the title? The budget.
as u guys know when we enter in 3d graphics race back in ps1/n64 era, companies use number of polygons displayed as benchmarks for capabilities. and then same when we enter into Ps2/GC/xbox generation, it was polygons (20million or so) with the nicer textures and lighting stuff.
and once we have entered into current Gen, then all we see is shaders and basically more polygons stuff. Now when we look at next gen what can we expect??? more shaders more effects more polygons??
secondly, if all the next gen systems will be based on similar type of API specs with some extra whistles (fix functionality eg. lighting) I do not see much of the difference. ok some may be running on 1080p and some may b lower. but other than resolution/fps will there be any other difference??
trends seems to be like
nes (2d) to snes(enhance 2d)
PS1/N64(3d) to gc/ps2/xbox (enhanced 3d)
xbox360/ps3 (3d with shaders) to WiiU/ps4/sbox720 (3d with enhance shaders)
and once we have entered into current Gen, then all we see is shaders and basically more polygons stuff. Now when we look at next gen what can we expect??? more shaders more effects more polygons??
secondly, if all the next gen systems will be based on similar type of API specs with some extra whistles (fix functionality eg. lighting) I do not see much of the difference. ok some may be running on 1080p and some may b lower. but other than resolution/fps will there be any other difference??
trends seems to be like
nes (2d) to snes(enhance 2d)
PS1/N64(3d) to gc/ps2/xbox (enhanced 3d)
xbox360/ps3 (3d with shaders) to WiiU/ps4/sbox720 (3d with enhance shaders)
I'm trying to keep my expectations in check, if the system is a lot more powerful than what I and other devs are letting on, then that makes me a happy camper.
Refreshment.01
Member
I was speculating about this some time ago. Take for example a game in which the pad special use is to allow the user to play it on the sub screen without a TV. Let's say the game runs at 720p/30fps on the TV. In this case the developer could tweak the game so when played on the sub screen it will render at 60 fps.
I wonder is one crazy dev would go far enough to say... take an on rail portion of a shooter to be only playable in the sub screen and go all crazy with effects and polygon counts.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
Lets be realistic here though. The Wii U comes out before the end of 2012, likely before the holidays. You have at LEAST a year to not feel bad because other consoles aren't even out yet. Then when they do come out which will be before the holidays of 2013 most likely, a lot of games won't look MUCH better, so I'd say you have almost 2 years before this system becomes outdated. But 2 years into the lifecycle is when we'll start getting Zelda and Metroid and shit so by then you won't care.
Fin.
Fin.
bgassassin
Member
But the same thing would apply to Wii U.
You're very much mistaken.
Father_Brain
Banned
Yeah, I'm open to being wrong and maybe the first UE4 footage will have me eating crow, but I don't expect any next-gen console title to look like a full generational leap over the best of current-gen. If even Samaritan doesn't, to my eyes...
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
I'd just like to go ahead and suggest that E3 will come and go and we will still all basically know nothing. No clue about the firmware, no real idea about overarching things like the Nintendo Network, games shown that don't give any clear idea about system power, etc. We will see the final form factor, if it even changes at all, some video/demos of some new games and how they use certain system features, and that will be it.
It wouldn't be Nintendo any other way.
It wouldn't be Nintendo any other way.
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