"Cleaning the IQ up to absolute perfection" alone requires a huge leap over the current consoles. And that's keeping everything else exactly the same.I wouldn't mind if they bested their texture work and cleaned the IQ up to absolute perfection.
"Cleaning the IQ up to absolute perfection" alone requires a huge leap over the current consoles. And that's keeping everything else exactly the same.I wouldn't mind if they bested their texture work and cleaned the IQ up to absolute perfection.
If graphics don't get a huge improvement in the next gen consoles, then what the fuck is the point of making them? We may as well stay with our current gen until Sony and MS find it economically viable to make consoles with vastly improved graphics.
Why are there people in this thread actively rooting for a new gen with marginal graphical improvement?
I don't want Avatar in real time. I want great experiences, not a graphics showoff.
Then you should get a gaming PC. You aren't going to get it from Sony and Microsoft, not in this economy and not with the Wii getting the kind of audience it did last go around with incredibly old hardware.
Hell, even most GAFers seem to not care about really powerful hardware if this thread is any indication.
Meanwhile, I'm enjoying amazing visuals now and without cramming it into a tiny box that leads to the kind of overheating problems that caused the huge failure rate last gen.
Up until last year I was a console only gamer, now I don't even know that there is anything either Sony or Microsoft could do to win me back. I've come to love cheap awesome games on Steam and I seriously doubt that whatever the specs end up being, my current PC is probably already more powerful.
"Cleaning the IQ up to absolute perfection" alone requires a huge leap over the current consoles. And that's keeping everything else exactly the same.
Because they're more concerned with how much money the company makes then their own interests.
I really don't get it at all. If it's about cost then just stick with what you have. Either go hard or go home. New consoles are going to be expensive that's just the way it is.
I don't want consoles that produce Avatar-like graphics. No one is able to finance such graphical fidelity profitably and gaming is dead for me if everything that's being produced is just AAA bullshit I don't care for.
What about devs that don't want to make small games? The bar will be raised so high they can't possibly compete. Let's just completely kill off the rest of the mid tier developers while we're at it. They just want everyone to have to buy their engine to compete.Better hardware doesn't hurt game companies in the least. Many small developers flourish on the platform with the most powerful hardware.
I'll take shorter dev cycles, more games, more niche genres, and more developers than having more realistic graphics.
None of the things you mention is inherently negatively impacted by more powerful hardware. PC has more developers, more games, more niche genres and the most powerful hardware.I'll take shorter dev cycles, more games, more niche genres, and more developers than having more realistic graphics.
Well, their self-interest is likely to prove extremely damaging to the very industry they need to sell their fancy new engine to - both with respect to escalating budgets and with respect to higher console launch prices slowing adoption of the very hardware that will run their engine - so it seems pretty myopic on their part.
Apparently Wii U doesn't support UE4, and if any of the remaining one doesn't, it means their lobbying have failed; they will have to dumb down the engine to make the games portable to the other tooThis puts Sony & MS in something of a dilemma. If one of them capitulates and the other doesn't, will that affect the level of support that Epic provides? Will it make one of them look 'cool' and the other look 'stingy'?
A mediocre upgrade, the same old IP's and a continued insistence upon 'alternate revenue streams' may well do exactly the same thing. Might as well go out looking at nice graphics.
What about devs that don't want to make small games? The bar will be raised so high they can't possibly compete. Let's just completely kill off the rest of the mid tier developers while we're at it.
Oh god, stop with this bullshit please. Game wont cost that much more to produce and indie isnt going anywhere.
BTW thats indie too that is being made by couple of guys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLd8kEQJIzw
Because they're more concerned with how much money the company makes then their own interests.
Someone needs to get a hold of higher res versions of those UE4 screens.
UE4:
The next generation is going to be a huge improvement, I just don't want it to be a needlessly expensive one.
You're deluded if you think we're just talking about the difference between a $300 console and a $400 one.
Then the console market is dead.Then it's dead. And there's nothing wrong with it. Consoles have served their purposes and aside from Nintendo exclusives, aren't needed any longer.
I'm just saying I understand where the fear is coming from. 60 dollars games are not a sustainable business. And it's going to get worse with each passing year. The only hope, and it's a miniscule one, is that the graphical leap is so much further than competing platforms, they can pull another generation of premium prices off.
I'm not saying I think it'll work, just that I understand the desperate logic of it.
Better hardware doesn't hurt game companies in the least. Many small developers flourish on the platform with the most powerful hardware.
What about devs that don't want to make small games? The bar will be raised so high they can't possibly compete. Let's just completely kill off the rest of the mid tier developers while we're at it. They just want everyone to have to buy their engine to compete.
Well, i'll assume it since I still expect the PS4 and the next Xbox to be big leaps over the current gen systems. But I don't expect them to put 8 gigs of ram in either of them. Neither of those companies want to go through another generation where they're losing money for the majority of it. Epic will suck it up and take whatever Sony and MS decide to release because they'll have no choice.
Wow, I'm shocked at their being such a large portion of GAF who don't want this.
Wow.
I hate that people use quantum leap like this. Anyways I hope that MS and sony listen to Epic and make beast consoles. I doubt they will though.
I have a gaming PC but I keep PS3 for it's exclusives. I would like a huge tech oriented PS4 for it's exclusives too.
If graphics don't get a huge improvement in the next gen consoles, then what the fuck is the point of making them? We may as well stay with our current gen until Sony and MS find it economically viable to make consoles with vastly improved graphics.
Why are there people in this thread actively rooting for a new gen with marginal graphical improvement?
Graphics are the only thing that can be improved?
Yea, they will. It's gone up exponentially every gen (much more so this gen).
Saying it won't cost much more to produce ignores the reality of the console gaming market.
What if they're more concerned about a company's continuing existence so they will still be around to make games? Wouldn't that be in the best interests of a gamer?
Wow, I'm shocked at their being such a large portion of GAF who don't want this.
Wow.
To get "big leaps" over current gen, you can't expect a cheap system. It's naive to want big leaps, but not fork out the cash for it. If all the talk is true, that MS and Sony don't want get into that hole again, their next consoles won't deliver the visuals we'd expect nowadays.
How long are games going to take to develop? How much money will developpers have to spend to make a game?
Another round of $399 and over consoles and this industry is on its deathbed.
This is why I believe Cloud gaming is the future...Cheaper costs and your console will never be outdated.
I still have a feeling MS will release a cloud box.
I'm not. The amount of subtle (and not-so-subtle) lobbying against high-end gaming over the past years has been staggering, particularly on this forum. Unsurprisingly, it started when Nintendo released the Wii. I can't recall gamers on message boards worrying incessantly about development costs before that.Wow, I'm shocked at their being such a large portion of GAF who don't want this.
Sony and MS: PLEASE SUPPORT 4K!