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[AceBandage]

Ok, so looks like the round table is still not going to be live streamed.
Interesting.

 

[tkscz]

PS3 to PSP

Could've sworn PSP was a handheld and not a controller.

 

[abstract alien]

Could've sworn PSP was a handheld and not a controller.

What he is really saying is that the Wii U is a yet-to-be-released last gen system

 

[BY2K]

Ok, so looks like the round table is still not going to be live streamed.
Interesting.

Like usual, but we might still get something out of it.

 

[test_account]

Hey!!! That was just downloaded!!! Not fair

Just downloaded?

Could've sworn PSP was a handheld and not a controller.

The principle is the same, the game is being rendered at one system, then it is being streamed through another device, where it is being controlled. But i was mostly just joking. The biggest different is that this streaming is standard on WiiU, and it is most likely more responsive.

EDIT: And of course that there will be more interaction between the controller and the TV with WiiU.

What he is really saying is that the Wii U is a yet-to-be-released last gen system

Not at all. I was just joking a bit around that the tech of streaming games have been done before. But this doesnt really matter in my opinion. To me it doesnt really matter much who was first or not, what is most important is that someone gives a good experience.

 

[D_prOdigy]

The Software Showcase is pleasingly late in the week. I wonder if it will uphold Nintendo's tradition of spreading the surprises across the week. Fingers crossed.

 

[abstract alien]

Just downloaded?

Not at all. I was just joking a bit around that the tech of streaming games have been done before. But this doesnt really matter in my opinion. To me it doesnt really matter much who was first or not, what is most important is that someone gives a good experience.

Yeah, I was just joshing with you. Keeping it light hearted

*hides knife behind back*

 

[AceBandage]

The Software Showcase is pleasingly late in the week. I wonder if it will uphold Nintendo's tradition of spreading the surprises across the week. Fingers crossed.

Software showcase likely won't be anything new.
Demos from the floor and developer interviews.
The discussion with Eguchi, however, should have a new game announcement.
Given his history, I'd put money on a racing game (Wave Race?)

Then there's also Miyamoto's Roundtable. There will be new tidbits and maybe an announcement.

 

[test_account]

Yeah, I was just joshing with you. Keeping it light hearted

*hides knife behind back*

Hehe, yeah, i thought so I just wanted to mention it anyway in general to remove any potential doubt that i wasnt mostly joking.

 

[darthdago]

Software showcase likely won't be anything new.
Demos from the floor and developer interviews.
The discussion with Eguchi, however, should have a new game announcement.
Given his history, I'd put money on a racing game (Wave Race?)

Then there's also Miyamoto's Roundtable. There will be new tidbits and maybe an announcement.

It could be a revival of Wave race and I would love it.
But his work with Wii U is that he is the hardware producer of it.
And he has a discussion there with developers about the Wii U hardware.
So I doubt that there will be a game announcement.

 

[AceBandage]

It could be a revival of Wave race and I would love it.
But his work with Wii U is that he is the hardware producer of it.
And he has a discussion there with developers about the Wii U hardware.
So I doubt that there will be a game announcement.

According to Shikamaru, there will be.
Also note that he is the man behind Animal Crossing and Wii Sport.
It won't be the latter (Iwata already said as much), but it could still be some kind of proof of concept game.

 

[BGBW]

Eguchi's surprise game will be Wii Music 2.

 

[wsippel]

Oh cool, I was under the impression they were using '09 tech.

CELL and Xenon are based on POWER4, which was introduced in 2001. Does that make PS3 and 360 '01 tech?

 

[darthdago]

According to Shikamaru, there will be.
Also note that he is the man behind Animal Crossing and Wii Sport.
It won't be the latter (Iwata already said as much), but it could still be some kind of proof of concept game.

I hope you are right, could be nice! He could use a wave race like game to show some of the HW-Power...maybe...

 

[Spieler Eins]

Eguchi's surprise game will be Wii Music 2.

It's okay. Wii Music was only bad because they had nothing else to show that year, while Reggie went ,,lol coregamers, Animal Crossing aint enough for you?''

 

[Guilty Bystander]

CELL and Xenon are based on POWER4, which was introduced in 2001. Does that make PS3 and 360 '01 tech?

Both Xenon and the PPE in Cell use the Power PC 603 architecture which is a stone age design from the mid 90s. The Power 4 runs circles around the Xenon and Cell. Clock for clock and core for core the Power PC 750 in the Gamecube and Wii is much more powerfull than the Xenon and PPE in the Cell. Next time do some reading.

 

[wsippel]

Both Xenon and the PPE in Cell use the Power PC 603 architecture which is a stone age design from the mid 90s. The Power 4 runs circles around the Xenon and Cell. Clock for clock and core for core the Power PC 750 in the Gamecube and Wii is much more powerfull than the Xenon and PPE in the Cell. Next time do some reading.

Depends on how you look at it. I'd suggest "Introduction to the Cell multiprocessor", IBM Journal of Research and Development, July 2005.

 

[The Boat]

The Software Showcase is pleasingly late in the week. I wonder if it will uphold Nintendo's tradition of spreading the surprises across the week. Fingers crossed.

I have fond memories of staying up all night reading liveblogs and waiting for something to happen. Good times.

 

[blu]

CELL and Xenon are based on POWER4, which was introduced in 2001. Does that make PS3 and 360 '01 tech?

Both Xenon and the PPE in Cell use the Power PC 603 architecture which is a stone age design from the mid 90s. The Power 4 runs circles around the Xenon and Cell. Clock for clock and core for core the Power PC 750 in the Gamecube and Wii is much more powerfull than the Xenon and PPE in the Cell. Next time do some reading.

PPE and its twin sibling Xenon are POWER5-based. In contrast, 603 is a non-SMT, super-scalar (dual-issue) in-order, amazingly-short-pipeline, 32bit design.

Also, I would not make such bold claims about 750 being 'much more powerful' as the goals those cpu design serve are not exactly identical -- POWER5 & 6 are both about high-clock/high-throughput SMT, 750 is about limited out-of-order single threaded performance at moderate clocks.

 

[wsippel]

PPE and its twin sibling Xenon are POWER5-based.

Which in turn is just an improved POWER4.

 

[blu]

Which in turn is just an improved POWER4.

No. POWER6 is an improved POWER5. Original POWER5 (in-order, SMT, high-clock targets) was a radical departure from POWER4 (aggressively-out-of-order, non-SMT, medium-clock targets). Only much later with POWER7 did IBM return to POWER4 philosophy, of course with the few tricks they learned from the POWER5/6 'diversion'.

edit: My bad. You were right about the 4->5 lineage, 6 was the radical departure, 5 was the continuation from 4. Regardless, PPE is not POWER4 based ; )

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I am hoping the design of this site is consistent with WiiU http://e3.nintendo.com/

the little gray waves on the top right

 

[Rhod]

It's okay. Wii Music was only bad because they had nothing else to show that year

Wii Music was only bad if you don't understand harmonies, jazz, or rhythm.

 

[BGBW]

Wii Music was only bad if you don't understand harmonies, jazz, or rhythm.

It's a good thing that I'm an expert.

 

[IdeaMan]

[Competitors of the Wii U] I made a thread about a domain name dispute that could reinforce the rumors we've heard about a Xbox tablet

The future generation should be interesting if tablets become the de facto control scheme.

 

[HylianTom]

It's no secret that the rise of Nintendo fan blogs like that site comes directly as a result of disillusionment from the big players, IGN for their seeming unwillingness to do their jobs and gamespot for their elitist, nitpicky scoring system and their penchant for accepting bribes for reviews as was the case in the Kane and Lynch fiasco, calling into question whether they were harshly critical because they felt that way or because the check didn't clear. According to Alexa, a lot of the big media sites have been losing traffic since early 2010, and I'd say it's a pretty reasonable conclusion that it's because they ran off 90 million potential readers.

Now some of these fanblogs do have an echo chamber effect where criticisms of Nintendo, even when valid, are viewed with skepticism. But that's a direct reaction to how the big sites behaved when they made clear that they just didn't seem interested in Nintendo and would rather do something else. IF you had to pick between a brown-nosing yes-man or a nitpicking jerk who slammed you for every move, right or wrong, which would you choose?

Back from a few pages, but I wanted to friggin' cheer this post. I've long thought that the successes of sites like Go Nintendo and NWR are no mere coincidence. Does the reader want to go where they're being insulted or marginalized on a regular basis, or where there's a bit of a sympathetic tilt to the news? Hmm. I doubt that there are many folks left who go to the majors' podcasts any more looking for decent Nintendo coverage; you're more likely to get an hour-long sneek peak at the new weapons in the next installment of Halo.

And though these Nintendo sites may have the reputation of being party stalwarts, anyone who listens regularly knows that there's no shortage or criticism and griping directed at Nintendo. And it's often the same laundry list of complaints that we get from the majors. The big difference? The complaints/gripes/problems/anoyances are clearly and passionately stated, yes, but here's the real friggin' kicker: they don't allow these points to permeate the rest of their coverage and commentary to the point where you sigh and hold your breath for a moment before clicking on the next article. Remarkable! What an idea!

In contrast, the majors seemed to let their beefs with Nintendo seep-into so many elements of their coverage to the point where it seemed relentless. So many of us, noticing the difference, walked. And here we are today. Majors losing traffic, fan-run sites doing well. I've always thought it folly to drive-off such a potentially large, rabid audience, but what do I know?

 

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[Yagharek]

Back from a few pages, but I wanted to friggin' cheer this post. I've long thought that the successes of sites like Go Nintendo and NWR are no mere coincidence. Does the reader want to go where they're being insulted or marginalized on a regular basis, or where there's a bit of a sympathetic tilt to the news? Hmm. I doubt that there are many folks left who go to the majors' podcasts any more looking for decent Nintendo coverage; you're more likely to get an hour-long sneek peak at the new weapons in the next installment of Halo.

And though these Nintendo sites may have the reputation of being party stalwarts, anyone who listens regularly knows that there's no shortage or criticism and griping directed at Nintendo. And it's often the same laundry list of complaints that we get from the majors. The big difference? The complaints/gripes/problems/anoyances are clearly and passionately stated, yes, but here's the real friggin' kicker: they don't allow these points to permeate the rest of their coverage and commentary to the point where you sigh and hold your breath for a moment before clicking on the next article. Remarkable! What an idea!

In contrast, the majors seemed to let their beefs with Nintendo seep-into so many elements of their coverage to the point where it seemed relentless. So many of us, noticing the difference, walked. And here we are today. Majors losing traffic, fan-run sites doing well. I've always thought it folly to drive-off such a potentially large, rabid audience, but what do I know?

I'd bold all the parts of this post I agree with but that would leave nothing else. So I just bolded the standout part.

Wholeheartedly agree.

I don't mind negative news about Nintendo. It happens - examples being region locked 3DS systems, 2008 first party lineup, lack of localisation for NoA and Excitebots in Europe. Fair call on them.

The problem with the main medias coverage of Wii was that sometime in 2007, every major outlet started prefacing every Wii review/preview with a critique thinly veiled diatribe about things they disliked about what the Wii market represented. It was at that time the antithesis to the 14-24yo male focussed market and it garnered derision from that segment of the media.

I think the rise of sites like nintendo-life, Vooks, go-n, and all manner of similar platform focussed blog sites that cut the bullshit is no coincidence. They fill the void left by the mouthbreathing idiots at ign/gamespot/1up/eurogamer who were busy flogging a dead horse about lack of HD and so on. The major sites never reviewed the games on their own merit.

 

[Aostia]

Back from a few pages, but I wanted to friggin' cheer this post. I've long thought that the successes of sites like Go Nintendo and NWR are no mere coincidence. Does the reader want to go where they're being insulted or marginalized on a regular basis, or where there's a bit of a sympathetic tilt to the news? Hmm. I doubt that there are many folks left who go to the majors' podcasts any more looking for decent Nintendo coverage; you're more likely to get an hour-long sneek peak at the new weapons in the next installment of Halo.

And though these Nintendo sites may have the reputation of being party stalwarts, anyone who listens regularly knows that there's no shortage or criticism and griping directed at Nintendo. And it's often the same laundry list of complaints that we get from the majors. The big difference? The complaints/gripes/problems/anoyances are clearly and passionately stated, yes, but here's the real friggin' kicker: they don't allow these points to permeate the rest of their coverage and commentary to the point where you sigh and hold your breath for a moment before clicking on the next article. Remarkable! What an idea!

In contrast, the majors seemed to let their beefs with Nintendo seep-into so many elements of their coverage to the point where it seemed relentless. So many of us, noticing the difference, walked. And here we are today. Majors losing traffic, fan-run sites doing well. I've always thought it folly to drive-off such a potentially large, rabid audience, but what do I know?

very good post. of course, there will be a lot of people that doesn't agree with you, instead I quote your analysis.

 

[SpacePirate Ridley]

Good God. They look so goddamn like the same person. I would say to them "You want ice cream cone?" both of them say yes.

Mother of god! Blast from the past.
ShiggityShiggityShwa!

 

[wsippel]

No. POWER6 is an improved POWER5. Original POWER5 (in-order, SMT, high-clock targets) was a radical departure from POWER4 (aggressively-out-of-order, non-SMT, medium-clock targets). Only much later with POWER7 did IBM return to POWER4 philosophy, of course with the few tricks they learned from the POWER5/6 'diversion'.

I don't say it wasn't heavily modified, but even IBM states that it's directly based on POWER4. Also, both the POWER4 and the POWER5 are OoO. POWER6 was the "diversion". See section 12.1, second paragraph: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...BSPdbl&sig=AHIEtbRV5Z65qnGEQGwW_gtS2_t8Vf232g

And even IBM calls POWER5 an "extension" of POWER4: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~cart/arch/fall03/KallaSlides.pdf

 

[EatChildren]

Communities cultivated by fan blogs are, in my opinion, from experience, just as unappealing as communities cultivated by biased websites. The former might be a product of the later, but they're just as bad as each other.

 

[Yagharek]

Communities cultivated by fan blogs are, in my opinion, from experience, just as unappealing as communities cultivated by biased websites. The former might be a product of the later, but they're just as bad as each other.

Just from the perspective of someone who joins neither "community", its still preferable to read news from a site that doesn't go off on unrelated tangents every time a game comes out for a system they dont like.

 

[blu]

I don't say it wasn't heavily modified, but even IBM states that it's directly based on POWER4. Also, both the POWER4 and the POWER5 are OoO. POWER6 was the "diversion". See section 12.1, second paragraph: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...BSPdbl&sig=AHIEtbRV5Z65qnGEQGwW_gtS2_t8Vf232g

And even IBM calls POWER5 an "extension" of POWER4: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~cart/arch/fall03/KallaSlides.pdf

Yes, I had already edited my original reply. My original point was, PPE is a much closer relative to the 'diversion' than to either of previous POWER iterations or the current POWER7.

 

[SpacePirate Ridley]

Holy fuck, Vandal users have really stepped their game!
Well done!
I remember the thread of the mario galaxy launch of hundreds of users asking for it to the opencors (24 hours store in Spain) by phone, and people going crazy, and me calling and saying that I was Mario and if somebody had asked for me. Good times.

 

[Shin Johnpv]

Didn't see this discussed here yet.

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Ubisoft-Wii-U-Unreal-Engine-Radeon-HD-6770-Valve,news-15307.html

Take with a grain of salt, this is claiming a new leak that says the GPU is based on a 6770, ACIII will run at 1080p and 60fps, that the release date is November 23rd, price is 350 - 450, and that it'll support UE4. Ohh and that Valve is on board. It claims to be bringing Steam to it. I would assume that would mean similar to how the PS3 has "Steam".

Forgot to add, also claiming 2 gigs of ram, and 560 being used for OS. I'm thinking that's probably supposed to be 512.

So yeah take with large grains of salt.

Found the source, and more claims from them. Based on their claim that the new "button" has connections to the vitality sensor, makes me now feel this is all just bullshit.

- Wii U supports DirectX 11 and is already running Unreal Engine 4
- Wii U will support to touch-screen controllers
- The console has 2GB of RAM, 560MB dedicated to the OS
- The launch date will be 23 November
- Launch price hasn't been decided but will be between $350 - $450 (£220 - £285)
- Rayman Legends, The Avengers, Assassin's Creed 3, Just Dance 4 are all on Ubisoft's Wii U schedule, with Killer Freaks from Outer Space set to arrive weeks after launch.
- There are currently multiple versions of the console with developers
- Graphics are powered by the Radeon HD 6770 chipset
- Assassin's Creed 3 will run at 60fps at 1080p, compared to 720p on PS3 and Xbox 360
- Wii U will come with pre-installed software
- Crytek, EA and Valve are all working on Wii U
- Valve are working on a digital distribution platform and Portal ports
- Wii U will support achievements
- Wii U's UI will be customisable
- The new button has some link to the Wii Vitality Sensor
- The trigger buttons won't be analogue
Bear in mind, all of the above is pure speculation - some of which we've heard before - and details could have been lost in translation.

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/138834...ate_details_leaked_by_ubisoft_dev_rumour.html

The Italian forum thread it all comes from.

http://www.mariocastle.it/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1075<br

 

[stalker]

It's a good thing that I'm an expert.

hehe, Wii Music is one of the rare exceptions of a Nintendo first-party game that I have never considered buying ... after watching your video now I am tempted!

 

[EDarkness]

Just from the perspective of someone who joins neither "community", its still preferable to read news from a site that doesn't go off on unrelated tangents every time a game comes out for a system they dont like.

I totally agree with this. I'm all for liking one thing or another, but as journalists, they need to put that crap aside and handle issues accordingly. Too much of our industry is run by people who don't know how to be objective. I guess this is true for a lot of the mass media world, but I feel like it's even more so in our industry.

 

[CoolS]

Didn't see this discussed here yet.

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Ubisoft-Wii-U-Unreal-Engine-Radeon-HD-6770-Valve,news-15307.html

Take with a grain of salt, this is claiming a new leak that says the GPU is based on a 6770, ACIII will run at 1080p and 60fps, that the release date is November 23rd, price is 350 - 450, and that it'll support UE4. Ohh and that Valve is on board. It claims to be bringing Steam to it. I would assume that would mean similar to how the PS3 has "Steam".

Forgot to add, also claiming 2 gigs of ram, and 560 being used for OS. I'm thinking that's probably supposed to be 512.

So yeah take with large grains of salt.

Posted like the 435 time and it's fake. Sorry.

 

[stalker]

Didn't see this discussed here yet.

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Ubisoft-Wii-U-Unreal-Engine-Radeon-HD-6770-Valve,news-15307.html

Take with a grain of salt, this is claiming a new leak that says the GPU is based on a 6770, ACIII will run at 1080p and 60fps, that the release date is November 23rd, price is 350 - 450, and that it'll support UE4. Ohh and that Valve is on board. It claims to be bringing Steam to it. I would assume that would mean similar to how the PS3 has "Steam".

Forgot to add, also claiming 2 gigs of ram, and 560 being used for OS. I'm thinking that's probably supposed to be 512.

So yeah take with large grains of salt.

This rumour has been posted several times already, with small modifications.

 

[abstract alien]

The one thing I love the most about Wii Music is the fact that it is actually a "music" game and not a button pressing game. It would be impossible it with the volume down, unlike most other games in the genre. Well, not impossible to play, but impossible to play properly.

 

[Shin Johnpv]

This rumour has been posted several times already, with small modifications.

This thread moves too god damn fast. I went back like 3 or 4 pages and didn't see it. Fucking hell.

 

[EatChildren]

I hear Nintendo ON is real.

 

[Krev]

I hear Nintendo ON is real.

I wonder how many castles it can render now?

 

[Penguin]

This thread moves too god damn fast. I went back like 3 or 4 pages and didn't see it. Fucking hell.

Its because from like the end of last week so in the other thread, and believe...even a thread made for it as well.

 

[Shin Johnpv]

Its because from like the end of last week so in the other thread, and believe...even a thread made for it as well.

Ahhh I never saw it, Toms Hardware just posted it today. Sorry for the old bullshit rumors being posted again.

 

[EDarkness]

Didn't see this discussed here yet.

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Ubisoft-Wii-U-Unreal-Engine-Radeon-HD-6770-Valve,news-15307.html

Take with a grain of salt, this is claiming a new leak that says the GPU is based on a 6770, ACIII will run at 1080p and 60fps, that the release date is November 23rd, price is 350 - 450, and that it'll support UE4. Ohh and that Valve is on board. It claims to be bringing Steam to it. I would assume that would mean similar to how the PS3 has "Steam".

Forgot to add, also claiming 2 gigs of ram, and 560 being used for OS. I'm thinking that's probably supposed to be 512.

So yeah take with large grains of salt.

Found the source, and more claims from them. Based on their claim that the new "button" has connections to the vitality sensor, makes me now feel this is all just bullshit.



http://www.nowgamer.com/news/138834...ate_details_leaked_by_ubisoft_dev_rumour.html

The Italian forum thread it all comes from.

http://www.mariocastle.it/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1075<br

I'm pretty sure they got the information from that crazy fake leak. They should have checked it out.

 

[AlexSmash]

hehe, Wii Music is one of the rare exceptions of a Nintendo first-party game that I have never considered buying ... after watching your video now I am tempted!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOx3G2AAFUI

 

[Kjellson]

I hear Nintendo ON is real.

Here is a leaked pic that confirms it.

It's totally legit.

 

[wsippel]

Yes, I had already edited my original reply. My original point was, PPE is a much closer relative to the 'diversion' than to either of previous POWER iterations or the current POWER7.

That was my original point, actually. A being based on B doesn't make them the same. In fact, they can be extremely different. Which means that even if the Wii U hardware is based on some 2009 designs, after more than 30 months of customization, there's quite possibly very little left of whatever they started with - the result isn't really "2009 tech" anymore.