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She cried rape, he went to prison for 6 years. She met up with him years later...

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Atrus

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Of course she's not a victim, she's a horrible person.

But prosecuting her under anything other than a blanket perjury law, (or something related) then we make it harder for actual victims of rape.

Allegations are not what's punishable, all are free to make the allegations they want in court. It's that unproven allegations should not sentence people for criminal activities and that provable false convictions should be punished severely to maintain the authority of justice.

That the topic itself is rape should be irrelevant. Whatever the crime, the punishment must stand in relation to the punishment suffered by the other if not more punitive and the conditions of guilt on the original sentencing must be improved to prevent such cases from occurring again.
 

marrec

Banned
Allegations are not what's punishable, all are free to make the allegations they want in court. It's that unproven allegations should not sentence people for criminal activities and that provable false convictions should be punished severely to maintain the authority of justice.

That the topic itself is rape should be irrelevant. Whatever the crime, the punishment must stand in relation to the punishment suffered by the other if not more punitive and the conditions of guilt on the original sentencing must be improved to prevent such cases from occurring again.

This case didn't go to court though, he plead out on terrible advice from a shitty lawyer. We need to be careful how we handle cases likes this so that we don't discourage actual victims. This woman is doubly horrible for making this boy spend 6 years in Jail AND for helping to further this notion that false rape accusations are anything but extremely rare.
 

mavs

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Allegations are not what's punishable, all are free to make the allegations they want in court. It's that unproven allegations should not sentence people for criminal activities and that provable false convictions should be punished severely to maintain the authority of justice.

That the topic itself is rape should be irrelevant. Whatever the crime, the punishment must stand in relation to the punishment suffered by the other if not more punitive and the conditions of guilt on the original sentencing must be improved to prevent such cases from occurring again.

Uhhh no, you have to tell the truth in criminal proceedings.

Edit: Civil proceedings too, I wonder what's going to happen with that civil suit her family filed.
 

Trey

Member
Unfair yes unjust no, as I said earlier the justice system is supposed to be innocent until PROVEN guilty

No, I'm pretty sure the term is unjust. A person's who's guilty of a crime not being punished for said crime? The very definition injustice.
 

marrec

Banned
I don't think everyone gets raped in prison.

In fact, I think most people in prison don't get raped.

I'd go so far as to say that prison rape being somehow prevalent is just a fabrication of our media.

A 1992 estimate from the Federal Bureau of Prisons conjectured that between 9 and 20 percent of inmates had been sexually assaulted.

That's quite a range... I think more studies need to be done.
 
I don't think everyone gets raped in prison.

No, I'm pretty sure you're wrong, there. Have you seen Oz? 'Cause I have. I have no reason to suspect that this wasn't a realistic drama depicting prison life for every inmate in every prison.

Edit: Though, to be fair, I'll grant that you are technically right. Some people just command so much respect as badasses that they only rape, not get raped.
 

cdyhybrid

Member
This case didn't go to court though, he plead out on terrible advice from a shitty lawyer. We need to be careful how we handle cases likes this so that we don't discourage actual victims. This woman is doubly horrible for making this boy spend 6 years in Jail AND for helping to further this notion that false rape accusations are anything but extremely rare.

You are correct. Part of the problem is that they felt (incorrectly or not) that they'd be better off with a plea deal than fighting what they thought was apparently an uphill battle to prove his innocence. He was innocent so he should have absolutely felt that the accuser would be unable to prove his guilt, but he didn't. Something is obviously broken, and it's not just a case of a shitty lawyer.
 
This case didn't go to court though, he plead out on terrible advice from a shitty lawyer. We need to be careful how we handle cases likes this so that we don't discourage actual victims. This woman is doubly horrible for making this boy spend 6 years in Jail AND for helping to further this notion that false rape accusations are anything but extremely rare.

False rape allegations are not extremely rare, in my very small town (more like a big village) I know at least 2 young women who have made multiple false allegations of rape (some to the police some just around town)
 
I would like a law that says "if you falsely accuse someone of ANY crime, and they're convicted, and it's discovered you falsely accused someone, you switch places with them and get their sentence." Not specifically targeted at rape, but anything. If you accuse someone of stealing from you and you know they didn't do it or something, and they get convicted, you should get the punishment that was going to be given to them.

Something like that. I don't know why I bother writing this since you're going to shit on me for "promoting rape culture" or something like that anyway.

What a ridiculous law.
 

marrec

Banned
False rape allegations are not extremely rare, in my very small town (more like a big village) I know at least 2 young women who have made multiple false allegations of rape (some to the police some just around town)

Do you live in Missoula MT?

But really, your anecdotal evidence proves nothing. I'm sure you know every detail of their 'false accusations' as well huh?
 

kirblar

Member
In fact, I think most people in prison don't get raped.

I'd go so far as to say that prison rape being somehow prevalent is just a fabrication of our media.



That's quite a range... I think more studies need to be done.
This post is quite amazing (in a horrifyingly sad way) given the way you pounce on people on this subject. Their statistics and viewpoints must be wrong. Yours must be right. It's not like this subject is extraordinarily complicated, with multiple conflicts of interest interesecting in peoples' behavior and the "truth" of a situation often being murky, complicated, and very subjective.
 

demon

I don't mean to alarm you but you have dogs on your face
I'd go so far as to say that prison rape being somehow prevalent is just a fabrication of our media.



That's quite a range... I think more studies need to be done.

And do you think only womens' rapes are underreported?
 
Rape culture? What is this shit?

Using phases like, "cry rape".

Rape Culture is an environment in which rape is prevalent and in which sexual violence against women is normalized and excused in the media and popular culture. Rape culture is perpetuated through the use of misogynistic language, the objectification of women’s bodies, and the glamorization of sexual violence, thereby creating a society that disregards women’s rights and safety.

Rape Culture affects every woman. The rape of one woman is a degradation, terror, and limitation to all women. Most women and girls limit their behavior because of the existence of rape. Most women and girls live in fear of rape. Men, in general, do not. That’s how rape functions as a powerful means by which the whole female population is held in a subordinate position to the whole male population, even though many men don’t rape, and many women are never victims of rape. This cycle of fear is the legacy of Rape Culture.

Examples of Rape Culture:

Blaming the victim (“She asked for it!”)
Trivializing sexual assault (“Boys will be boys!”)
Sexually explicit jokes
Tolerance of sexual harassment
Inflating false rape report statistics
Publicly scrutinizing a victim’s dress, mental state, motives, and history
Gratuitous gendered violence in movies and television
Defining “manhood” as dominant and sexually aggressive
Defining “womanhood” as submissive and sexually passive
Pressure on men to “score”
Pressure on women to not appear “cold”
Assuming only promiscuous women get raped
Assuming that men don’t get raped or that only “weak” men get raped
Refusing to take rape accusations seriously
Teaching women to avoid getting raped instead of teaching men not to rape

How can men and women combat Rape Culture?

Avoid using language that objectifies or degrades women
Speak out if you hear someone else making an offensive joke or trivializing rape
If a friend says she has been raped, take her seriously and be supportive
Think critically about the media’s messages about women, men, relationships, and violence
Be respectful of others’ physical space even in casual situations
Always communicate with sexual partners and do not assume consent
Define your own manhood or womanhood. Do not let stereotypes shape your actions.
Get involved! Join a student or community group working to end violence against women.​

http://www.marshall.edu/wpmu/wcenter/sexual-assault/rape-culture/
 

marrec

Banned
This post is quite amazing (in a horrifyingly sad way) given the way you pounce on people on this subject. Their statistics and viewpoints must be wrong. Yours must be right.

Never said they were wrong, just that the only statistics I could find were from a study done in 1992. 9 to 20% is a HUGE range that indicates there wasn't enough information to form a conclusive report. Don't misappropriate my viewpoint.

And do you think only womens' rapes are underreported?

No, all rapes are probably underreported.
 
Do you live in Missoula MT?

But really, your anecdotal evidence proves nothing. I'm sure you know every detail of their 'false accusations' as well huh?

But so what, all there is on the subject is annecdotal evidence, all studies in to the subject boil down to some research and unprovable estimates
 
And do you think only womens' rapes are underreported?

I'm sure they are under reported, but the dude in the OP still probably wasn't raped:

A meta-analysis published in 2004 found a prevalence rate of 1.91% with a 95% confidence interval between 1.37–2.46%.[2] In a survey of 1,788 male inmates in Midwestern prisons by Prison Journal, about 21% claimed they had been coerced or pressured into sexual activity during their incarceration, and 7% claimed that they had been raped in their current facility.[3]

Gerald G. Gaes ; Andrew L. Goldberg: Prison Rape: A Critical Review of the Literature, Executive Summary. 2004

Cindy Struckman-Johnson & David Struckman-Johnson (December 2000). "Sexual Coercion Rates in Seven Midwestern Prisons for Men" (PDF). The Prison Journal 80 (4): 379–390.
 
She admitted to him she lied?

Wouldn't he know that since he didn't rape her. He didn't need her to admit it to him in the first place.

It shows just how twisted she was that she thought such a gesture would have any meaning to begin with. "No worries guy, I'm not mad at you for not raping me".
 

Lich_King

Member
I don't see rape culture circlejerk here, it is, however, prison culture circlejerk. Accused of rape? Better go to prison even if innocent. Falsely accused someone of rape? Go to prison. Stole candy? Go to prison.

Not everything can be solved through imprisonment, especially when incarceration rate is already higher than in Gulag.
 
Rape culture? Are you saying that the majority of people approve of rape, rather than a tiny minority?

Without really desiring to get into the whole ordeal, rape culture describes a phenomenon that is more complex to describe than being for or against rape explicitly. The idea of rape culture isn't to suggest that people are outright for rape, but that there is a lot of behavior out there that facilitates rape.
 
send her to prison for 12 years, reward the guy a few million. no way some stupid ass person should be able to ruin anothers life just like that
 

kirblar

Member
Without knowing what every person in the world has done at every moment in their lives their is no way any estimate of the number of rapes or false allegations of rapes is provable
This gets to the heart of the problem- this is a crime solely dependent on the state of mind of the people involved in a sexual encounter.
 
Rape culture also negatively impacts men. Men being raped in prison is in large part a consequence of stereotypical gender roles regarding masculinity and dominance.

False rape allegations are not extremely rare, in my very small town (more like a big village) I know at least 2 young women who have made multiple false allegations of rape (some to the police some just around town)

That's not how statistics work.
 

Flo_Evans

Member
In fact, I think most people in prison don't get raped.

I'd go so far as to say that prison rape being somehow prevalent is just a fabrication of our media.



That's quite a range... I think more studies need to be done.

Please stop supporting prison rape culture. OMG I guess they deserved it because they are criminals right? OMG.
 

kirblar

Member
Rape culture also negatively impacts men. Men being raped in prison is in large part a consequence of stereotypical gender roles regarding masculinity and dominance.



That's not how statistics work.
Or because there are men who enjoy getting off on dominance, and have no ethical qualms about doing so. And due to the nature of prison, you're likely to find a mass concentration of the aberrant population there.

I find the idea that you can "teach men not to rape" shockingly naive. Can we teach people not to steal and not to murder too? Human history says no.
 
Using phases like, "cry rape".

Rape Culture is an environment in which rape is prevalent and in which sexual violence against women is normalized and excused in the media and popular culture. Rape culture is perpetuated through the use of misogynistic language, the objectification of women’s bodies, and the glamorization of sexual violence, thereby creating a society that disregards women’s rights and safety.

Rape Culture affects every woman. The rape of one woman is a degradation, terror, and limitation to all women. Most women and girls limit their behavior because of the existence of rape. Most women and girls live in fear of rape. Men, in general, do not. That’s how rape functions as a powerful means by which the whole female population is held in a subordinate position to the whole male population, even though many men don’t rape, and many women are never victims of rape. This cycle of fear is the legacy of Rape Culture.

Examples of Rape Culture:

Blaming the victim (“She asked for it!”)
Trivializing sexual assault (“Boys will be boys!”)
Sexually explicit jokes
Tolerance of sexual harassment
Inflating false rape report statistics
Publicly scrutinizing a victim’s dress, mental state, motives, and history
Gratuitous gendered violence in movies and television
Defining “manhood” as dominant and sexually aggressive
Defining “womanhood” as submissive and sexually passive
Pressure on men to “score”
Pressure on women to not appear “cold”
Assuming only promiscuous women get raped
Assuming that men don’t get raped or that only “weak” men get raped
Refusing to take rape accusations seriously
Teaching women to avoid getting raped instead of teaching men not to rape

How can men and women combat Rape Culture?

Avoid using language that objectifies or degrades women
Speak out if you hear someone else making an offensive joke or trivializing rape
If a friend says she has been raped, take her seriously and be supportive
Think critically about the media’s messages about women, men, relationships, and violence
Be respectful of others’ physical space even in casual situations
Always communicate with sexual partners and do not assume consent
Define your own manhood or womanhood. Do not let stereotypes shape your actions.
Get involved! Join a student or community group working to end violence against women.​

If only everyone would join a student or community group, then all rapists would realize the consequences of their actions and stop raping. I'm enabling rapists by not joining a student or community group. I feel so ashamed.
 
Rape culture also negatively impacts men. Men being raped in prison is in large part a consequence of stereotypical gender roles regarding masculinity and dominance.



That's not how statistics work.

Statistics are just numbers, they can be statistics of fact or statistics of unprovable estimates
 
If only everyone would join a student or community group, then all rapists would realize the consequences of their actions and stop raping. I'm enabling rapists by not joining a student or community group. I feel so ashamed.

I edited in the link. It's from a college website. Is that the only thing you gleaned from that post?

Or because there are men who enjoy getting off on dominance, and have no ethical qualms about doing so.

You don't think a culture that conflates dominance with masculinity might have something to do with that?

I find the idea that you can "teach men not to rape" shockingly naive. Can we teach people not to steal and not to murder too? Human history says no.

Do you believe that the current rate of rape and sexual assault is as low as it realistically go?
 

Centurion

Banned
This post is quite amazing (in a horrifyingly sad way) given the way you pounce on people on this subject. Their statistics and viewpoints must be wrong. Yours must be right. It's not like this subject is extraordinarily complicated, with multiple conflicts of interest interesecting in peoples' behavior and the "truth" of a situation often being murky, complicated, and very subjective.

which is why it isn't worth going back and forth with irrational people.
 

grumble

Member
This case didn't go to court though, he plead out on terrible advice from a shitty lawyer. We need to be careful how we handle cases likes this so that we don't discourage actual victims. This woman is doubly horrible for making this boy spend 6 years in Jail AND for helping to further this notion that false rape accusations are anything but extremely rare.

Pleading out isn't always a bad idea, if the lawyer says 'you're innocent but you'll still lose in court because our justice system doesn't always get things right. if you plead you'll get a lighter sentence than if you go to court, innocent or not'. Sometimes they're right, sometimes not, but their job is to counsel the client on what the best course of action is given the system, not to fight for justice.
 
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