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The Wii U Speculation Thread VI: The Undiscovered Country

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Sadist

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Penguin said:
This does seem to be the reverse hype-train week.

But maybe, its one of those your expectations hit rock bottom scenarios, and then next week can't disappoint.
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No expectations here, I'm a blank slate. I'll just go in and see what happens. It's been my E3 strategy for years.

BGBW said:
Time to hand in your Nintendo Fan membership card.
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Don't take my card! NOT LIKE THIS
 
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Nibel

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snesfreak said:
And here comes the panicking.
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I swear by god: everytime I read through the thread titles in Gaming and if the first word of one of them is "Rumor:" I become this dude

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Such an exciting time to be a gamer right now
 
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Gianni Merryman

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Aostia said:
I honsetly think that all the silence about third party games seems every day more related to the absolute void of third party support.
Not only wwe had just one game officially announced from last E3 (AC3), but we are also losing the few ones already announced (Metro), and getting a lot of negative tips for a lot of other games (Darksiders probably just a lazy and late port, no UE4 that means losing a wide range of third party games that will be based on that and so on...)
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I reckon you're a bit over-reacting, honestly; you should not underestimate Nintendo's capacity to build up a decent line-up for WiiU - especially since they have been doing a good job overall with 3DS - and I am pretty convinced next week we'll be overwhelmed with at least a bunch of quality third-parties' games, do I shouldn't worry too much.

As for Metro: last night, given THQ's bad financial shape it is pretty obvious they're cutting off all unnecessary costs, for that matter Devil's third is currently "on hold" and it has never been announced for WiiU.
 
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Skiesofwonder

Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
I love how Ace KNEW the Nintendo Power June cover was James Bond Legends. He even stated it as a fact a few times. :lol I wish I could rub it in to him now....

Anyways, I was pretty darn sure it was a Mirror of Fate and LOS2 Wii-U double feature, so I was one for two. ;) We are pretty much out of resources to look froward to for potential Wii-U news/leaks now. Not that I mind, I don't want anything to be spoiled anymore considering we are so close. It just seems so long away though....
 
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blu

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Aostia said:
I honsetly think that all the silence about third party games seems every day more related to the absolute void of third party support.
Not only wwe had just one game officially announced from last E3 (AC3), but we are also losing the few ones already announced (Metro), and getting a lot of negative tips for a lot of other games (Darksiders probably just a lazy and late port, no UE4 that means losing a wide range of third party games that will be based on that and so on...)
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3 out of 5 charred pork chops.
 
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Agent Unknown

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japtor said:
Nintendo needs to money hat Cave in some way.

...cause Cave really needs the money :(
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This. :( Unfortunately in some ways Cave needs to want more money themselves as their hardcore, restrictively niche, "If you want to play our games then come to Japan," (actual quote from an interview with them some years ago) IOS and Jpn 360-only business model hasn't worked out too well for them in in the long run. And I say this as a die hard shmup and Cave fan (I even own a CPS2 board for Progear no Arashi).

As an example, I recently bought an import copy of Mushihimesama Futari since A)It looks amazing and B) the original game was incredible and C), Cave made it region free. My U.S. 360 is red ringed so I was going to buy a new U.S. system in order to play the game. Then, last week they release Mushihimesama 1 HD and decide not to make it region free. So now I have to decide between getting a new U.S. 360 or springing for an import system (fortunately most U.S. games work on a Jpn 360 and game tags and most XBL content is region free, this makes the decision a bit easier at least).

I know MS supposedly charges unreasonable fees for region free discs but releasing a sequel in region free format then leaving the original game region locked later is just dumb, contradictory behavior on Cave's part towards their fans IMHO and it's little wonder they're going to be forced into making social games (as they've said themselves they're probably about to do). Because part of the problem is they haven't been as reasonable as my example shows, and outside of IOS have mostly refused to evolve to consumers who love shooters in all regions.

But yes, Nintendo, please money hat Cave for lots of shmup content on the eShop. Only you can save them from a social games-only path in the future.

edit: I wanna play DoDonPachi in TATE on my Upad.
 
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Gianni Merryman

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Oddduck said:
After how abysmal Ninja Gaiden 3 did in sales and reviews for 360/PS3, I wouldn't be surprised if Team Ninja/Tecmo cancelled Ninja Gaiden 3 for Wii U.

I mean honestly who would buy the game?
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Yeah, in fact NG3 has quite a negative outlook and is allegedly bombing everywhere, so a WiiU's port doesn't make much sense, I would rather have a collection of the first two games.
 
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Linkhero1

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I hope Nintendo publishes some Cave titles. It would be awesome to get some exclusive shmups on the Wii U. I hope the Wii U online platform does good things for them. They wouldn't have to worry about manufacturing prices etc. Just release it online and I will pay full price.
 
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DragonKnight

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Gahiggidy said:
Were all just sitting around, waiting for Ideaman's thread.
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Which at this point is fucking meaningless really. I don't think any of his infos have been substantial (no offense) and even if they were, does anyone really want anything to be spoiled at this point? I mean, the conference is less than a week away
 
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Penguin

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Sadist said:
No expectations here, I'm a blank slate. I'll just go in and see what happens. It's been my E3 strategy for years.


Don't take my card! NOT LIKE THIS
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I'm right there with you.

Well.. I'm stoked for e3.. but the Wii U.. I'm really just ready to see games. I've been sick of specs and graphics talk for like...10-15 years now...

Though it is sad to see so many people are already disappointed in this year's e3.
 
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test_account

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onilink88 said:
Where are people getting this from? Seriously.

Not to mention the game, for the most part, runs on re-used assets. Had to have been pretty profitable for TK, and I can't imagine them being displeased with it.
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Hayashi himself said that the sales werent as good as they had hoped for:

"Either way, he hopes it proves more successful than Dead Or Alive Dimensions, which he admitted didn’t sell as well as Tecmo Koei had hoped.

"We believe we squeezed pretty much all of the horsepower out of the 3DS that we could have, really," he said. "In the performance sense we believe it was a great title. We hoped people would be playing more portable consoles out there but unfortunately that wasn't the case.""

http://www.edge-online.com/news/hayashi-keen-dead-or-alive-crossover
 
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HylianTom

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I am hyped out the nose for this E3. I have the distinct feeling that this one is going to rank right up there with E3 2006 in terms of greatness, especially if Nintendo does indeed have a few surprises up its sleeves.

So while I am grounded in my hardware expectations, that one issue isn't going to drag my mood down. We're gonna have a damn good time, and we'll get to see what we're going to be playing over the next few years. If that doesn't get one excited.. well, I don't know what to say. :D
 
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Agent Unknown

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Gahiggidy said:
Were all just sitting around, waiting for Ideaman's thread.
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Seriously? A week later and he still hasn't posted his thread which he was originally going to do as soon as he became a member? Hadn't noticed until I was reminded just now.

Edit: Too busy reading actual news and leaks (love how he got scooped by the TT controller leak) and unless that thread is posted ASAP before the deluge of E3 news and contains a serious bomb or two without a bunch of vague static, nobody's gonna care about their "ice cream fix" anymore.
 
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Elfteiroh

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GameplayWhore said:
You're welcome
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Gahiggidy said:
Guys, I want to have contest during the press conference. I virtual version of BINGO. Grand prize will be money down towards a Wii U pre-order, plus 5 runner up prizes.

How it would work is that all the participants will be sent PDF files containing three randomly generated BINGO cards. The squares will be filled in with Games, People and Wii U Features that could be revealed during the press event. As they watch, players check off the items on their cards as they are revealed. When you get a whole row filled in one of the cards, you type in "Bingo!" in the thread on GAF. Alternatively, I might set up an email account to do the same for people who are banned or don't plan to have a computer in front of them.

What do you guys think? It seems like a fun way to get hyped for the event, but I would need a little help with organizing and judging the results (for the subjective calls).

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Edit: I forgot to link to the website: http://www.checkboxbingo.com
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Hey! I would be interested! Where do I sign? :D (even without the prize, just to fun of playing Bingo with all of you will be enough)
 
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onilink88

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test_account said:
Hayashi himself said that the sales werent as good as they had hoped for.

"Either way, he hopes it proves more successful than Dead Or Alive Dimensions, which he admitted didn’t sell as well as Tecmo Koei had hoped.

"We believe we squeezed pretty much all of the horsepower out of the 3DS that we could have, really," he said. "In the performance sense we believe it was a great title. We hoped people would be playing more portable consoles out there but unfortunately that wasn't the case.""

http://www.edge-online.com/news/hayashi-keen-dead-or-alive-crossover
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Well, that's certainly odd. It's in direct contrast with what's stated in their earnings release.
 
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EVIL

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Nibel said:
I swear by god: everytime I read through the thread titles in Gaming and if the first word of one of them is "Rumor:" I become this dude

ir3q8CpOaFneO.gif


Such an exciting time to be a gamer right now
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I love this gif! and yeah, this is probably the craziest pre-e3 yet.
 
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test_account

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onilink88 said:
Well, that's certainly odd. It's in direct contrast with what's stated in their earnings release.
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I dont know what was said in the earing report, but maybe Hayashi's words are more about sales expectations, not that the game wasnt profitable. For example, if the next Mario Kart games sells 3 million copies, it will definitelly be profitable for Nintendo, but it would be a big disappointment regarding sales expectations.
 
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onilink88

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I dont know what was said in the earing report, but maybe Hayashi's words are more about sales expectations, not that the game wasnt profitable. For example, if the next Mario Kart games sells 3 million copies, it will definitelly be profitable for Nintendo, but it would be a big disappointment regarding sales expectations.
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That can't be it; the statement was definitely about sales, not the profitability of the title.
 
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sinxtanx

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Well, I've managed to stay in non-hyped mode for the last year, but now I feel it...building. No real reason, just getting excited. I believe my body may be readying itself.

E3

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Linkhero1

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I'm not going to be on GAF during Nintendo's E3 conference, so I expect someone to make a post with all the meltdowns that I will be missing. :)

I'm pretty sure it's going to be crazy next week.
 
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RPG_Fanatic

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Oh god, it is finally happening. These thread have built up too much mass a created a black hole sucking up all the Nintendo hype.
I refuse to go down like this. I will hide in the completely impenetrable capsule until E3.
 
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onilink88

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test_account said:
What was said in the earning report?
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In its six month midterm results, announced on the 7th, Koei Tecmo Holdings reported sales of 13,635 million yen and a net profit of 412 million yen. These were up from May 9 forecasts of 12,500 million yen and a net loss of 400 million yen.

Dead or Alive Dimensions on 3DS sold 310,000 units worldwide while Dynasty Warriors 7 Xtreme Legends sold 160,000 units in Japan on PS3. These along with Samurai Warriors 3 Empires performed well, and the company also made note of strong download content sales for games like Dynasty Warriors 7. Paid content for social games like One Million Person Ambition of Nobunaga and One Million Person Sangokushi also performed well.
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That definitely sounds like it met expectations to me. Maybe he was talking about Japan specifically since it didn't do well there, it seems.
 
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Exterminieren

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The Wii U "officially" will not run UE4, this is no surprise to anyone here. (I said as much) An official confirmation of sorts from Geoff Keighley, via twitter, courtesy of Nirolak at Neo-Gaf: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=475868 I said that it was a transitional console, I didn't mince words. This term was meant to clearly deliniate the Wii U as beyond this console generation's visual & feature set capabilities, though not occupying the same technical power space as the Orbis & Durango.

I view this as a non-issue however, the Wii U is capable of more than what the Unreal 3 engine provides. (on current gen. systems) Gearbox's Wii U version of Aliens:CM should show this within the framework of UE3 cross-platform development.(esp.within their custom lighting engine) 4A Games' Metro:LL should follow suit as well on their proprietary engine. (some programmers over there are extremely gifted, & want to push the technical envelope even further) Proprietary Wii U engines will showcase this best however, as specific toolkits & feature sets are created to exploit the console's strengths. Expect more than just Retro's offering to truly impress at E3. Nintendo has made some very strong 3rd party partnerships for both cross, as well as console exclusive software.(even contacturally in some instances) This will not change once UE4 becomes widely accessible to developers. A repeat of the Wii's software demise is not in the cards I assure you. This also assumes that UE4 becomes the de facto middleware solution for the next generation.

Most developers will be utilizing Unreal 3 as a base early on regardless of Orbis's & Durango's ability to run UE4. As I posted earlier, MS's Durango's now going "all in" with UE4 as of the GDC. Prior to the GDC the Durango wasn't compatible either. In any case, do you truly believe that UE4 won't be scalabe to an extent? Frostbite, Cryengine, etc certainty are. From purely an economic viewpoint, this scenario makes no sense.
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Courtesy of StevieP in the WiiU UE4 thread.

Do we have a source for this quote? Does a very good job of hype-building if true.
 
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donny2112

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So from browsing the last few pages of the thread, we have

1) The still non-news of UE3 on Wii U and no word, yes or no, on UE4 on Wii U from Geoff at GDC.
2) Metro Last Night put on hold for Wii U for them to focus on PS360 versions.
3) Ninja Gaiden 3 status up in air after it bombed on PS360.

Anything else or are those the reasons for the increased "doomsday"-ness for Wii U going on currently?

Edit:
And then we have StevieP saying that UE4 will not run on Wii U (nor would it run on Durango pre-GDC), but that it'll probably be ported to the Wii U by interested third-parties, if the feature-set is there. So Wii U won't officially have UE4, but UE4 can be used to develop on Wii U if it has the right feature-set. So net-gain/loss = zero.

That about cover it?
 
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