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Black Dude Cyborgs

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Equus Bellator Apex

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I think it's just easier to sell a fuck awesome black male hero to a white audience by having him "enhanced" in some way. You can't just be a black everyday guy and be great. That's why there is no black Batman or Nathan Drake.

It's likely, as someone suggested earlier, stemming from simple marketing. Majority of the audience for a lot of the media in this thread was middle-class white kids. A generic black guy would be...generic. Nothing relatable. A generic white guy, even though he's generic, is still more relatable to that target audience.

But every kid can relate to the idea of super-cyborg powers and lasers and robot arms and such. So all of a sudden the black guy is a cool character with his cool cybernetic powers and the kids would fantasize about being him and buy his action figure. Obviously things change, but the majority of the media posted is 80s/90s stuff.

What's the difference between these two posts?

I think you're misreading things all over the place, dude. I was telling Cytsm it's all about the marketing and art (which is, in turn, about money).

That's what MWS Natural said and Cystm said that line of thinking is absurd.


This isn't some great conspiracy to keep the black man handicapped. Especially as half of the handicaps make them superhuman gods anyways. Half of the cyborg guys could destroy Spiderman or Iron Man.

No one is saying that, man.

This is just a result of a just a bunch of old out of touch white guys in suits in the 80s and 90s who couldn't come up with any ways to sell black characters to middle class white kids so they used an easy gimmick of cool cyborgs and lightning, both of which also make it easier on the artists as has been discussed numerous times.



That's really all it is. There's REAL systematic racism and social problems out there, but this is NOT one of them.
What you said above suggests that this is. Racism isn't compartmentalized.

It's really not some sort of RoboBlack Illuminati.

No one is saying that. Man.
 

Slayven

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Yeah, it's to make as much money by moving product as fast as possible.



This is a bad thing? Both of them are pretty awesome powers. Who needs webs when you can just hit him with a lightning bolt?
Yeah ask Electro how well that works out.
 

industrian

will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
You know, Oj Simpson was James Camerons first choice to play the Terminator. Imagine if that happened.

Actually it was Lance Henriksen. The original "idea" of the Terminator was that he was an infiltration unit that could hide in plain sight (i.e. a normal looking dude.) But then as they considered Schwarzenegger to play Kyle Reese they realised they'd need a bigger guy to play The Terminator. OJ Simpson was considered for the role then, but was rejected because he was too nice and no-one would believe he was a killer. Then it all got mixed up and ended up the way it was.
 
Good to see this thread thriving. :)
For some clarification: I'm aware that there a lot of examples of other races being 'cyborgs' or the token 'mechanic'. But more to the point is that typically if there is a 'group' of characters it seems that the black guy is usually the one who is either a cyborg or the mechanic.
 

akira28

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If you're black you get to choose, cyborg enhancements or lightning powers, its the only options.

You forgot inherent mechanical skills. If I had billions of dollars, I'd develop this carbon nanofiber muscle cell I've been dreaming about, and have my Battlesuit/Battlemech.

and wtf is cystm on? lol

I ignored cystm when he did a Godwin kamikaze on the thread. For no damn reason.
 
Yeah, I've noticed this too. My guess is it's the same driving force behind all the black computer hackers from the 90's. "Bet you wouldn't expect someone with my skill-set to be black, would you?" Conventions ripped!
 

akira28

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Not the fucking bandwagon.

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akira28

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African culture is such an inconvenient reminder, I know. :p

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Predated Islam by many centuries, but are still refered to as saints when Islam took over West Africa. Topical in the news because muslim extremists are destroying their tombs, which is supposedly going to bring a number of curses down upon them.

That's a wizard if I ever saw one.
 

bigfurb

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Yes, that is interesting to think about. Like the Holocaust being propaganda is interesting to think about.

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Why are there Black Cyborgs? Because it's cliche and an easy way to make something "cool".

Shall I find Cyborgs for any other races out there?




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Wasn't the black villain in van dammes cyborg movie the cyborg?
 
Yeah but even when Martian Manhunter thought he was black he used Voodoo.

Haha, he had a phase he thought he was human and so to explain his powers he said/thought it was voodoo?

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Predated Islam by many centuries, but are still refered to as saints when Islam took over West Africa. Topical in the news because muslim extremists are destroying their tombs, which is supposedly going to bring a number of curses down upon them.

That's a wizard if I ever saw one.

Gandalf, the Fancy Patterns.
 

Parallax

best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
You know that as a black person you are imbued with voodoo powers from birth, genetically predisposed to liking fried chicken, and giving white people wise advice.

that last part must be true. because i have plenty of my friends come to me for advice
 
My father once said, after seeing an episode of TNG with Worf and Geordi LaForge, that this kind of thing was an attempt to essentially mitigate positive images of black men on TV by "disfiguring" them in some way - Worf with the forehead ridges, and LaForge with the visor.

I was... unconvinced.

There are an awful lot of black cyborg characters in this thread, though.

I suppose, in theory, one could read the prevalence of cybernetic enhancement/replacement in black characters as a conscious or unconscious attempt to associate a sense of artificiality or inhumanity with the image of a strong black male.

It could also be the suggestion that blacks need some sort of augmentation or assistance (in this case mechanical in nature) in order to stand toe to toe or side by side with the surrounding, usually overwhelmingly white cast of "regular" people.

It could be this concept of "disfigurement", suggesting the necessity of strong black characters to have undergone some sort of major physical trauma for which they then need prosthetic assistance.

It could be seen as an attempt to maintain "other-ness" for black characters involved in sci-fi settings where the world is so full of strange happenings that the color of one's skin is no longer sufficient as a means of social "segregation" from a story perspective.

Equus Bellator Apex seems to suggest there is a link between the cybernetic imagery and old devices and symbols of African-American slave bondage.

Again, I remain... unconvinced.

But it's such a weirdly specific thing to keep popping up all over the place that I feel like there's something behind it.

Interesting to think about, though.

You dad seems right on the money to me, to be honest.

And I'm a European white male, who watched TNG and thought nothing of it at the time.

Still: Whoopy Goldberg always just kinda creeped me out. "WHY ISN'T THAT WOMAN COMING OUT OF THE KITCHEN...MUCH?" I was like..nine.. you'll have to forgive me on that one.
It was a pretty obvious shoe-horned in character though. I wonder if putting her in the role as advisor by experience on the Borg was supposed to be meaningful in some way I didn't pick up on?
 

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White people think black people are good at sports because of genetics.

The black-man-cyborg is just a more direct representation of that idea from their subconscious.
 

ReiGun

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Some people choose to keep it real, and some times keeping it real chooses the person.

This reminds me that all of my black friends almost always assume that Black Panther uses voodoo cause he's from Africa. I've damn near had to slap ninjas over this.
 

jaxword

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What you said above suggests that this is. Racism isn't compartmentalized.

Yeah, ok, it's clear at this point you're just reading what you want to read and are seeing racism even when there is none. Here's something that will blow your mind: capitalism and advertising caters to the audience with the most money. If black kids in the 80s/90s were the richest demographic then all these characters would be black everyman, robotic gimmick or not.
 

Slayven

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Yeah, ok, it's clear at this point you're just reading what you want to read and are seeing racism even when there is none. Here's something that will blow your mind: capitalism and advertising caters to the audience with the most money. If black kids in the 80s/90s were the richest demographic then all these characters would be black everyman, robotic gimmick or not.
Damn makes me mad we missed out a run of Milestone movies. Maybe we will get Tyler Perry presents The Blood Syndicate.
 

jaxword

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You dad seems right on the money to me, to be honest.

And I'm a European white male, who watched TNG and thought nothing of it at the time.

Still: Whoopy Goldberg always just kinda creeped me out. "WHY ISN'T THAT WOMAN COMING OUT OF THE KITCHEN...MUCH?" I was like..nine.. you'll have to forgive me on that one.
It was a pretty obvious shoe-horned in character though. I wonder if putting her in the role as advisor by experience on the Borg was supposed to be meaningful in some way I didn't pick up on?

No, his father was wrong.

As has been said, Gene Roddenberry was EXTREMELY vocal and forceful about his anti-racism views. He publicly fired racists from the Trek staff. For all Roddenberry's faults as a person, he really, really hated racism.

Geordi was blind because he was a homage to a handicapped black kid that Roddenberry met at a convention once.

The first female captain EVER seen in the Star Trek franchise's history was a black woman.

Ds9's main character was a black man with zero disabilities and a pretty decent guy overall.

Guinan was just a shoehorned role because Whoopi Goldberg was a Trek fan, and the producers weren't going to give up that star power opportunity.
 

Enzom21

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My father once said, after seeing an episode of TNG with Worf and Geordi LaForge, that this kind of thing was an attempt to essentially mitigate positive images of black men on TV by "disfiguring" them in some way - Worf with the forehead ridges, and LaForge with the visor.

I was... unconvinced.

There are an awful lot of black cyborg characters in this thread, though.

I suppose, in theory, one could read the prevalence of cybernetic enhancement/replacement in black characters as a conscious or unconscious attempt to associate a sense of artificiality or inhumanity with the image of a strong black male.

It could also be the suggestion that blacks need some sort of augmentation or assistance (in this case mechanical in nature) in order to stand toe to toe or side by side with the surrounding, usually overwhelmingly white cast of "regular" people.

It could be this concept of "disfigurement", suggesting the necessity of strong black characters to have undergone some sort of major physical trauma for which they then need prosthetic assistance.

It could be seen as an attempt to maintain "other-ness" for black characters involved in sci-fi settings where the world is so full of strange happenings that the color of one's skin is no longer sufficient as a means of social "segregation" from a story perspective.

Equus Bellator Apex seems to suggest there is a link between the cybernetic imagery and old devices and symbols of African-American slave bondage.

Again, I remain... unconvinced.

But it's such a weirdly specific thing to keep popping up all over the place that I feel like there's something behind it.

Interesting to think about, though.
This reminds me of a Bleeding cool post about black people not really being black people in comics http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/12/22/when-black-character-not-black-character/
 
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