bengraven
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They just don't want you to give them an appendectomy? ha
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Japanese Magazine Talks about Possible War with South Korea
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They just don't want you to give them an appendectomy? ha
Blackace
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My penis ruptures appendixes from the throat? Awesome!
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An opinion in a magazine doesn't mean much. Elections are coming up soon in Japan, China, and Korea. I'm pretty sure that's the main reason there's so much tension right now. Lee Myung-bak in particular is probably just trying to manufacture conflict to boost his slim chances of getting re-relected. The likelihood of military conflict is very slim, in my opinion. Then again, Noda is holding a press conference today to talk about the disputed islands with Korea and explain Japan's position. It will be interesting to see what he says, assuming it's anything more than "deeply regrettable."
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
The real reason Japan wants to keep the damn rocks is because of fishing rights, yes? Anyone have a clue what the price tag is on that?
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I think you're underestimating the SDF if you think they would "wipe the floor" with Japan. Korea obviously has superior manpower, but that's not necessarily the most important element. Do you think China would wipe the floor with the USA because they have a much larger military?
So I googled Japan blowjob shop and this is the first thing that came up
NSFWhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqao7m1LS7w
Blackace
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I wouldn't trust a YouTube video that can't spell everyone and adult correctly
He's probably not referring to manpower. You just created a strawman.
But is that the general idea only with mouths instead of hands, or is it something different, lol?
Blackace
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Pride... Japan is a small small country with a lot of pride..
They arent really there anyways think Korea's coast gaurd is stationed there..
The small island China is trying to claim has fish and oil...
Quadrangulum
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The SK presidency is one term I believe. However, I wouldn't be surprised if his party is becoming more assertive for the electorate. I know shamefully little about their politics.
Japan, or more specifically, Ishihara, is the cause for the newly inflamed Senkaku row as far as I can tell due to his promise to use Tokyo funds to purchase them from the current private owners, and that has nothing to do with an election as Ishihara recently won a new term. Besides, this is perfectly consistent with his genuine attitude.
Blackace
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Pretty sure you get to see what you pay for... But wouldn't know first hand
Hari Seldon
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I think the ROK armed forces are a superior military force not even considering numbers.
Blackace
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I would agree...
Except for maybe the pilots of Japan who has ALWAYS been really good
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
And same with Korea. Perhaps even moreso!
So of course I know this is a nationalism/pride/competition-with-number-1-rival thing... but I was just wondering what the actual monetary loss would be if Japan gave it up (or Korea gained it).
I know Dokdo is functionally controlled by SK, but I assumed Japan was still allowed to fish in the waters that Takeshima (Dokdo) would award them...? Perhaps not....?
Is there a hidden reason to care about this rock aside from pride?
The overall validity of the OP is something I can't comment on but the core issue is very real and is going to happen: rescource wars.
Those small and medium sized countries are going to be the first to feel the pinch and if they have no colonial programs in place (like China in various African countries) then they're going to have to pay through the nose just to maintain their quality of life.
There are only two options in this scenario. You join a protectorate and in essence become a vassal state to a greater power in hopes of getting doled out your share, or you get into the game of conquest.
This is why South Korea and Japan can conceivably be snarling over a rock in the middle of the ocean that nobody gave a damn about a few decades ago.
Those small and medium sized countries are going to be the first to feel the pinch and if they have no colonial programs in place (like China in various African countries) then they're going to have to pay through the nose just to maintain their quality of life.
There are only two options in this scenario. You join a protectorate and in essence become a vassal state to a greater power in hopes of getting doled out your share, or you get into the game of conquest.
This is why South Korea and Japan can conceivably be snarling over a rock in the middle of the ocean that nobody gave a damn about a few decades ago.
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Possibly? He didn't specify his reason. I (possibly wrongfully) assumed he meant manpower, since that's the biggest objectively superior thing the South Korean military has going for it.
No tits squadron?
That lion is a Special Forces patch.
ChiTownBuffalo
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The ROK army culture is more set towards aggression than the JDSF. The readiness of troops who are all trained for imminent combat because it borders the DPRK leads to a very different type of readiness mentality to a nation that is regulated to a self defense force.
Also, ROK army would have more leadership with combat experience than the JDSF.
I'm also wondering about civilian citizenship readiness. Not just the reserves, but how often does Japan conduct civil readiness drills? Japan has a higher population by far, which does mean they would have more ad hoc troops available.
She lost them in the war, man. Show some respect for the lion!
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
While there is some sliver of fishing resources attached to this claim, the fight over Dokdo really has nothing to do with resource pressure and everything to do with with culture, politics and national rivalry.
Koreans have a notorious rivalry with Japan and Dokdo is the button they push repeatedly to play the game.
Plus, you know, U.S. battleships and the odd aircraft carrier in Japanese harbours along with thousands of U.S. troops on any given day.
ChiTownBuffalo
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We're removing US armed forces as a factor in the heads up war between the two.
Which is why I'm also leaving out the crazy cousins up north as well.
Lol i'm dying.
ChiTownBuffalo
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This cannot happen! Won't anyone think of the consumer electronics!
China will still be around.
This.
They'll just reverse engineer Samsung and whatever Japanese company is still relevant these days and be done with it.
ChiTownBuffalo
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I'd be very surprised if the SDF thinks of itself as just a self defense force. They are Japan's military and consist of a 100% volunteer force. I think it would be perilous for Korea to underestimate them based on "readiness mentality." I'm sure the Korean military isn't dumb, though.
Either way, a conflict would never happen without involving the U.S. since it has military bases in both countries, is a strong ally to both, and does joint practice operations with both, too.
Blackace
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The GW isn't a part of the JSDF..
Blackace
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The JSDF still trains in a very defensive way... They have zero long range capabilities at this point
Can you really do that though? Because they wouldn't go at it mano a mano.
Up top you said NK would jump in uninvited and I definitely think you're right. By the same token the U.S. would never allow Japanese soil to be even touched in such a conflict. It's strategic importance in the region is huge and they have way too much hardware to risk in a strike.
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Oh, I don't think Japan would actually try to invade Korea. The conflict would probably be restricted to Takeshima/Dokdo if it happened at all. I just don't see how it could escalate further than that with the U.S. intervening.
You are missing the point. Were the students in Battle Royal fighters?
ChiTownBuffalo
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I mean, if we are going to go by historic traits, Japan would invade. Because that's what they've done. And given how both militaries are set up. That would be tactically disadvantageous for Japan. The JDSF's current TOE doesn't have any significant amphibious landing capability.
However, if Korea would invade, I think they would have a much harder time getting boots on the ground. However, once they do. I don't feel the JDSF is a match for ROK ground forces.
ThisWreckage
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Not an igloo's chance in hell this will happen. May as well be an Onion article.
ChiTownBuffalo
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Blackace
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US foreign policy in Asia has shifted quite a bit in the last few years... Already the US is getting ready to pull all the way out of Okinawa, something that would have never happened in the 80s 90s or 00s...
But I think people are just comparing the two countries military might not trying to write a Tom Clancy novel
Blackace
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Long range strike capabilities would be needed in any kind of offensive war
GungHo
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Just don't fuck up H-Mart. Where else am I going to get my Maxim coffee? And prices for Chocopies are horrible at 99 Ranch.
MasterOfPastures
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Well, since it seems that it might be inevitable...
*Puts on top-hat*
War! War, everyone! Get your tickets and place your bets! The most glorious imbecilic conflagration since WWI is about to begin!
*Puts on top-hat*
War! War, everyone! Get your tickets and place your bets! The most glorious imbecilic conflagration since WWI is about to begin!
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
Mom snd Pop Korean grocers and you flirt with the daughter for a free box of Choco Pies.
That wouldn't make a good movie.
Actually Beat Takeshi vs K-Pop is a good enough premise, I wilk take it.
you know what you mean >.>
ChiTownBuffalo
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It's going to degenerate into the KPop members bugging him about his "secret" Korean heritage or something. Boring.
Razgriz-Specter
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If somehow that did ever happen, as much as I love Japan id have to say the US(if it has to be involved) should side with South Korea.
North Korea would probably jump at the first chance after South Korea is attacked.
Will never happen though.
North Korea would probably jump at the first chance after South Korea is attacked.
Will never happen though.
Kuro Madoushi
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Awfully inflammatory remarks considering you have NO evidence to back this up.
I don't believe this island is going to case an East Asian war. More saber rattling than anything else.
GTP_Daverytimes
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This will be a Maritime war, as in a war were the Navies and Airforce square off. From my knowledge Japan has the best Navy in all of East Asia and possible the whole of Asia, their Air force might be comparable so it comes down to what country has better trained pilots. In a land war ROK will demolish Japan but unfortunately a war with Japans navy will have ROK feeling the hammer.
Quality over Quantity my friend. Last i checked Japan had 6 Aegis destroyers (some of the most advance destroyers), ROK had 2. The Soryu class submarine that was introduced to the JMSDF is widely considered the be one of the best conventional subs out there, its also the biggest conventional sub out there i believe.
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