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[Manmademan]

High Five for the Aquarian reference.

I LOVE the Aquarian. So useful in superhero debates.

 

[Filthy Slug]

No. Flash's powers (at least before new 52, I'm not sure now) came from the speedforce. I don't think there's enough cheeseburgers in existence to provide the power to accelerate a man to lightspeed.

I know where Flash's powers come from and all that, but I also remember reading some stuff, pre-52, where Flash's metabolism always needs to be maintained. As in, dude needs his cheeseburgers. I think one of the Justice League animated movies also mentioned it. Found some info on Wikipedia--it's about Wally West only, though:

... the character had to eat vast quantities of food to maintain his metabolism... Even so, as a consequence of his sped up metabolism, he finds it necessary to eat often and in great quantities to help supply the chemical energy needed to run like he does.

 

[Slayven]

I know where Flash's powers come from and all that, but I also remember reading some stuff, pre-52, where Flash's metabolism always needs to be maintained. As in, dude needs his cheeseburgers. I think one of the Justice League animated movies also mentioned it. Found some info on Wikipedia--it's about Wally West only, though:

Wally West went through a period where he needed food for his powers and he was slower. It was right after Barry dying.

 

[KillGore]

Travel back in time. strangle him in the crib.

Fry his soul to cinders, leaving his body a husk.

Banish him to hell. let demons tear him apart.

Hijack his body, transfer his mind into a rat or something.

Use teleportation to scatter his atoms across the the width of the universe.

Imprison him in a surfboard (yes, surfer did this once).

Null out his powers i.e. The Aquarian, break his neck.

Flat out absorb him, add his energies to your own.

All of these things have been done successfully to people on manhattan's level. And there's always the "blink him into nonexistence" route.

Has these things been done to someone who has Manhattan's powers? It seems like it's difficult to actually pit them together, although I'll give you some of the ones mentioned but things like sending him to hell, use teleportation (when he teleports himself), fry his soul, and mind transfer seems tough to discuss, since they're both from different universe. For all we know, there isn't a hell to send him in Manhattan's universe or have a soul, for example. Also, how do you know Manhattan can be killed by going back in time? I thought he said he was outside of time or some bullshit like that.

Wouldn't he be able to see the Surfer doing those things to him before it happens? You say the surfer does the same thing. How would that work?

 

[Messypandas]

In Justice i'm sure Flash was stuck circling the globe while his body ate itself

 

[Fry]

Who could stop (literally) the Flash with ease?

 

[Ezio]

I'm not huge into comic books but this thread got me a bit interested, wiki seems to think The Living Tribunal? Or am I just totally out of loop here and not know what I'm talking about? Which could totally be the case, lol.

 

[Parallax]

has big head been mentioned yet?

 

[1138]

This is probably borderline but I would go with Aizen

Otherwise I might go with Batman. Nothing seems impossible for him given that he gets enough prep-time.

 

[TacticalFox88]

Who could stop (literally) the Flash with ease?

Every High-Tier Marvel Character could stomp him.

 

[Trurl]

Doctor Manhattan is not overpowered because his power fits within the framework of a limited story. Never does Manhattan's power make the reader's eyes roll or ruin any chance of dramatic tension.

Also, much of these hypothetical match ups rest on nothing more than who the speculator likes better. Who could solve a mystery first between Batman and Sherlock Holmes?

 

[KillGore]

This is probably borderline but I would go with Aizen

Definitely one of the most powerful anime characters, not on par with some comic book characters but still worth a mention.

 

[Htown]

Black Bolt is a fascinating character, and his muteness opens him up to unique writing scenarios, but why in the hell would Marvel greenlight such a colossally powerful character who isn't some sort of demigod or cosmic entity? He's just a dude, and his powers appear to trump even the likes of Strange, the Hulk, or Sentry. How does one create drama for such a powerful character?

Traditionally, by making his stories less about his power level and more about political/family intrigue within his royal household.

 

[Manmademan]

Has these things been done to someone who has Manhattan's powers?

Yes, and then some. Every one of these has been done before.

It seems like it's difficult to actually pit them together, although I'll give you some of the ones mentioned but things like sending him to hell, use teleportation (when he teleports himself), fry his soul, and mind transfer seems tough to discuss, since they're both from different universe. For all we know, there isn't a hell to send him in Manhattan's universe or have a soul, for example. Also, how do you know Manhattan can be killed by going back in time? I thought he said he was outside of time or some bullshit like that.

I'm assuming hell and multiple dimensions exist, since nearly all comic continuties acknowledge they do, and some heroes (ghost rider) are from there.

Manhattan teleports himself, true- but there are some individuals that have been known to teleport people into hundreds of pieces as an offensive tactic, and can do so over long distances. Manhattan might be able to pull himself back together, but when your atoms are light years apart, this might take a while.

Again with the soul thing- its basically a given that these things exist at this point. Even if it might not be a "soul" per se, there are a LONG list of attacks that aim at the spirit or astral form instead of the physical. It's like saying Dr Strange wouldn't be able to win against manhattan (he would, btw) because we've never seen magic work there. It's a given that a given character is able to use their abilities in the way they're consistently portrayed, unless it's explicitly mentioned otherwise (like there being no speedforce in marvel, so flash is slower).

No, manhattan is not outside of time. He percieves all of the events of his life as if they were happening at once, but he 1.) cannot time travel and 2.) his perception of those events can be interfered with by tachyons. Those that can manipulate time to a greater degree (like surfer, or early thor, or anyone with a time gem) would have a significant advantage over him.

 

[Mudkips]

Who could solve a mystery first between Batman and Sherlock Holmes?

Would overhear Watson talking about it and would solve it without even wanting to.

 

[Mumei]

Definitely one of the most powerful anime characters, not on par with some comic book characters but still worth a mention.

He's not even that. He's overpowered within the scope of his series, that's all.

 

[Filthy Slug]

Wally West went through a period where he needed food for his powers and he was slower. It was right after Barry dying.

Ah, gotcha. So he was stress eating. I can't help but think that an absurd metabolism is both an ingenious written quirk of those Flash comics and a fucking horrible one all at the same time.

 

[TacticalFox88]

Definitely one of the most powerful anime characters, not on par with some comic book characters but still worth a mention.

WTF? Aizen is only overpowered by Bleach standards. There some series low-tier characters that would stomp him so bad.

 

[KillGore]

He's not even that. He's overpowered within the scope of his series, that's all.

WTF? Aizen is only overpowered by Bleach standards. There some series low-tier characters that would stomp him so bad.

He's immortal and has the ability to warp your senses the second you see his sword. We never even got to see his bankai. He can definitely kill most anime characters given enough time. What would goku do to him? he's immortal

He only got defeated because he wanted to

 

[Manmademan]

Ah, gotcha. So he was stress eating. I can't help but think that an absurd metabolism is both an ingenious written quirk of those Flash comics and a fucking horrible one all at the same time.

The old flash TV show went this route- it might have been pre-speedforce though. (in fact, I'm almost certain it was.) Barry allen was constantly eating gigantic bowls of cereal to keep his metabolism up, but had to do so as superspeed, so they wouldn't get soggy, which would burn more energy, so he would need to eat more cereal...

 

[thefro]

This guy

-Popeye once lifted the earth in one of the Fleischer shorts that was spoofing Greek Mythology.

-He dog paddled an island that both he and Olive Oyl were stranded on back to the mainland.

-With a lasso, he pulled the Grand Canyon together just so he could reach Bluto on the other side

-He knocked a comet that would have destroyed the earth into tiny bits.

-He punched Bluto so hard, Bluto hit the full moon, which was blown apart so that only a crescent was left

-He pulled the moon closer to earth

-He stopped a martian invasion by punching the fleet all the way back to Mars.

- He pulled the world's continents back together again with only a lasso.

-He knocked Bluto so hard, Bluto broke through the time stream and deaged into an infant

-He knocked Bluto so hard, he destroyed the constellations and altered the night sky.

-He lassoed the sun and pulled it up just so the morning would come quicker.

-He blew the sun out like a candle so he could get some private time with Olive Oyl.

-In an episode spoofing Exodus where he played Moses, he got tired of waiting for God and parted the Red Sea himself.

-He becomes a master of any discipline after taking spinach. He led a twenty man band, where he was the band himself, became a master musician, master sculptor, brilliant scientist, and a master magician.

-Taking spinach renders him immune to magic. Bluto once tried to turn him into a frog, but he punched the spell back at Bluto. Also Zeus tried to zap Popeye with a lightning bolt, but Popeye punched it back at him, thus defeating Zeus by frying him.

-Popeye can ressurect himself from the dead with spinach. His nephews force fed some to his lifeless body. Popeye's soul returned to his body, which got up and proceeded to beat the crap out of Bluto.

-Popeye resisted being wiped out of existence by an animator. His pipe was fed spinach, Popeye willed himself back, and then he beat up the animator. Which brings me to...

-Popeye can break the 4th wall. A real boy in the movie audience threw some spinach into the screen to Popeye. Popeye got up and hit Bluto so hard, Bluto was knocked into the real world. So Superboy Prime's not the only one punching holes into reality. Hmmm, I wonder if the explains the discrepancy between Bluto and Brutus.

-Popeye can resist mind control after eating spinach. An evil hypnotist hypnotized Popeye into thinking he was a chicken. Popeye ate some spinach, snapped out of it, and then counter hypnotized the hypnotist into thinking he was a baby.

-Popeye once ate an entire field of spinach to repel a Martian Invasion. He punched through a Martian disentegration beam, grabbed a flying saucer, threw it like a frisbee, and made it ricochet off the entire Martian invasion fleet like a pin ball. After all the Martian ships crashed, the ensuing explosion spelled the word "TILT" across the skyline.

-Popeye has ran down Bluto, on foot, while Bluto was speeding away in a racecar in an attempt to kidnap Olive Oyl.

-Popeye has ran down, and ran past (on numerous occasions), a speeding locomotive to save Olive Oyl, who was tied to the tracks, from being ran over. On one occasion, rather than untying her, he punched the speeding train and turned it into a pipe organ.

-Popeye singlehandedly laid track for a speeding train and punched through mountains to make tunnels for the train so that it could get to it's destination near the coal mines.

-Popeye has leaped into the air and punched out fighter jets in mid flight.

-Popeye can fly like a fighter jet by spinning his pipe like a propelor and sticking out his arms like wings. When provoked, Popeye can use his pipe as a jet engine propelling himself through the air at mach speeds, even launching himself into space. Popeye can also survive re-entry and falls from sub-orbital heights.

-Popeye has punched fast enough to deflect hundreds of rounds of machine gun fire at close range with his bare fists.

-Popeye has chewed up steel beams and spit the metal out as bullets, nails, and rivets.

-Popeye on numerous occasions has punched people and accompanying objects into cages, cabins, tents, tepees, stuffed animals, toys, etc. On one occasion Popeye was attacked by a Giant Octopuss while he was diving for pearls. Popeye punched the octopuss and turned it into a Merry-Go-Round.

- During WWII, Popeye punched out a fleet of German battleships into individual cages to imprison over 100 Nazi soldiers. Popeye also punched through the gunfire of 10 Nazi fighter jets, in mid air, and punched the planes to splinters that formed a fence and imprisoned the pilots as they landed with their parachutes. He also got a medal of honor from Eisenhower.

-During WW II Popeye once turned out all the lights in his hometown for a bomb raid in a matter of seconds.

-Popeye once punched an enraged Giant King Kong-esque Gorilla into 3 separate monkeys, each covering their ears, eyes, and mouth (hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil) respectively.

-Popeye punched out a giant Moby Dick-esque sperm whale and held it in one hand like a baby as it was dazed.

-Popeye once punched a mountain into a hill because it was blocking his view.

-Popeye once lifted up and bodyslammed the 40 story building Olive Oyl's apartment was in so that her floor was at street level and he could move her piano in.

-Popeye once walked a tight rope while carrying a refrigerator, a wardrobe, a bathtub, a baby in a baby carriage, Olive Oil, and Wimpy (eating a burger).

-Popeye once punched through super hypnosis vision from a Persian Magician, then punched the guy and his flying carpet turning them into a bazaar with rugs for sale.

-While in Old Russia, Popeye punched through hypnosis vision and spells cast by Rasputin, then Popeye proceded to punch Rasputin through the Kremlin which formed a jail around Rasputin.

-Popeye once punched through magic spell bolts cast at him by a Genie Bluto had used to grant him three wishes. Popeye then punched out Bluto and punched the Genie back into the lamp before tossing the lamp into the horizon.

-Popeye survived having a battle ship dropped on him by Bluto.

-Popeye survived being shot point blank in the face with a cannonball by Pirate Blackbeard.

-Popeye survived being ran over and point blank cannon fire from a Sherman tank, and then proceded to punch the tank into an oven and water heater.

-In Egypt Popeye once punched a Mummy into bedsheets hanging from a clothesline (there was no clothseline before the punch).

-Popeye has punched aligators, dinosaurs, and mad bulls into full sets of leather luggage.

-Popeye has punched a lion into a leopard skin fur coat. (and no, that's not a typo, he punched a lion into leopard skin).

-Popeye punched out a fire breathing dragon.

-Popeye as a lumberjack chopped down a whole state full of redwood trees with his bare fists.

-Popeye once jumped up and punched the man in the moon in the eye after Olive Oyl snubbed him for Bluto and the moon was laughing at his misfortune.

Popeye's an absolute monster thanks to his toonforce alone and then you add spinach on top of that and he's virtually unstoppable.

 

[ReiGun]

Traditionally, by making his stories less about his power level and more about political/family intrigue within his royal household.

Exactly. The problem with talking about some of these characters is that people assume they're just the sum of their powers, and it's impossible to make them interesting just cause they are strong.

 

[Kusagari]

He's immortal and has the ability to warp your senses the second you see his sword. We never even got to see his bankai. He can definitely kill most anime characters given enough time. What would goku do to him? he's immortal

He only got defeated because he wanted to

There's no way he could even scratch the entire cast of DBZ and that's just mentioning a series which isn't even on top of anime/manga.

His hax look overpowered because of the verse he's in.

 

[Manmademan]

This guy

Can't argue with this one

 

[KillGore]

There's no way he could even scratch the entire cast of DBZ and that's just mentioning a series which isn't even on top of anime/manga.

His hax look overpowered because of the verse he's in.

He can definitely kill most anime characters. Just because there are a couple of mangas that have more powerful characters doesn't mean he is weak. What would goku do to him anyways? he automatically heals himself. I don't see how he isn't capable of taking Goku's soul out of his body and just send him to Bleach's heaven.

 

[TacticalFox88]

He's immortal and has the ability to warp your senses the second you see his sword. We never even got to see his bankai. He can definitely kill most anime characters given enough time. What would goku do to him? he's immortal

He only got defeated because he wanted to

Aizen couldn't even beat Raditz. And He's on the lowest tier of DBZ. Hell, Raditz alone could stomp the entire 'verses of the Holy Shounen Trinity of Naruto, One Piece, and Bleach.

And DBZ is barely in the high tier of Anime power levels. And I mean BARELY.

 

[Htown]

Can't argue with this one

Meh.

Popeye's essentially a high-powered version of Hourman.

Just remove his access to spinach and he's done.

 

[Ezio]

So if this was in the MCU and it was limited to superheroes who would the strongest be?

 

[Orin GA]

Why are some people listing villians?

 

[KillGore]

Aizen couldn't even beat Raditz. And He's on the lowest tier of DBZ. Hell, Raditz alone could stomp the entire 'verses of the Holy Shounen Trinity of Naruto, One Piece, and Bleach.

And DBZ is barely in the high tier of Anime power levels. And I mean BARELY.

Aizen can take Raditz's soul and send him to hell. He's done

Edit: Also, One Piece has characters that can destroy Raditz in one second

 

[Parallax]

This guy

Popeye's an absolute monster thanks to his toonforce alone and then you add spinach on top of that and he's virtually unstoppable.

cartoon physics make for scary powers.

case in point

 

[Manmademan]

So if this was in the MCU and it was limited to superheroes who would the strongest be?

Are you talking physical strength? it's hard to say, since there's a tier that's basically "incalculable" and has no limits.

Thor, Hulk, Juggernaut, Immortal Hercules, Gladiator, and Thanos are all here somewhere.

if we expand this to "anyone" it's probably Kurse.

 

[Kusagari]

He can definitely kill most anime characters. Just because there are a couple of mangas that have more powerful characters doesn't mean he is weak. What would goku do to him anyways? he automatically heals himself. I don't see how he isn't capable of taking Goku's soul out of his body and just send him to Bleach's heaven.

I really don't like taking Aizen being immortal as gospel considering he's in a verse as weak as Bleach. Can the Hogyoku really save him from a planet buster?

I mean I guess there's no proof otherwise, but the whole thing screams no limits fallacy.

I also don't see how he's taking the soul of a guy a million times faster than him.

Aizen can take Raditz's soul and send him to hell. He's done

Edit: Also, One Piece has characters that can destroy Raditz in one second.

The fuck?

 

[Yeef]

 

[Parch]

I would argue that Popeye is purposely written to be absurd. It's intended to be more of a comedy kid's comic, not a dramatic superhero comic.

 

[Pandaman]

Aizen can take Raditz's soul and send him to hell. He's done

no he cant.

 

[Parallax]

The fuck?

its true. raditz is weak.

 

[TacticalFox88]

One Piece...beating Raditz? Oh lawd!

Master Roshi alone could beat anyone in OP. He's a Moon Buster. There is NO ONE in OP capable of destroying the moon.

 

[Manmademan]

I would argue that Popeye is purposely written to be absurd. It's intended to be more of a comedy kid's comic, not a dramatic superhero comic.

there's no need to argue this, because it's obvious

 

[KillGore]

I really don't like taking Aizen being immortal as gospel considering he's in a verse as weak as Bleach. Can the Hogyoku really save him from a planet buster?

I mean I guess there's no proof otherwise, but the whole thing screams no limits fallacy.

I also don't see how he's taking the soul of a guy a million times faster than him.

Why wouldn't it? He is immortal and can heal himself, not sure what's difficult to understand about that. Also, he can just unsheathe his sword, make his enemy fall into his illusion and take his soul

The fuck?

Kizaru can definitely kill Raditz.
- Can move at the speed of light
- Infinite amounts of energy
- Intangible

One Piece...beating Raditz? Oh lawd!

Master Roshi alone could beat anyone in OP. He's a Moon Buster. There is NO ONE in OP capable of destroying the moon.

You must have seen only 5 episodes of One Piece.

Kuma can just deflect the moon towards the earth, done. Also, read up.

 

[Pandaman]

Lain is the emergent consciousness of the wired; a network of all living things.

so Lain wins all power battles by virtue of being her opponents power level +1

 

[thefro]

Meh.

Popeye's essentially a high-powered version of Hourman.

Just remove his access to spinach and he's done.

Popeye can basically 1) will spinach into existence or 2) stop time and break the 4th wall to ask for spinach. I suppose you could get him stuck in a loop for a while but eventually he'd break out due to toonforce.

I would argue that Popeye is purposely written to be absurd. It's intended to be more of a comedy kid's comic, not a dramatic superhero comic.

He's still a superhero and still absurdly overpowered

 

[Pandaman]

Why wouldn't it? He is immortal and can heal himself, not sure what's difficult to understand about that. Also, he can just unsheathe his sword, make his enemy fall into his illusion and take his soul

when did you start thinking Aizen has the ability to take peoples souls? He doesnt.

 

[KillGore]

when did you start thinking Aizen has the ability to take peoples souls? He doesnt.

They have items that splits the soul from the body

Edit: Multiple items

 

[Devolution]

Blackagar Boltagon

They're not even trying anymore are they?

 

[TacticalFox88]

You must have seen only 5 episodes of One Piece.

Kuma can just deflect the moon towards the earth, done. Also, read up.

Show me a manga page that Kuma has the capability of pulling the moon. WB the strongest character in the manga is an island buster at best. And you're trying to argue that Kuma can do a feat that puts the strongest man in the world to absolute shame? Come on, son.

 

[Manmademan]

Lain is the emergent consciousness of the wired; a network of all living things.

so Lain wins all power battles by virtue of being her opponents power level +1

so, what if she fights something that isn't alive?

Blackagar Boltagon

They're not even trying anymore are they?

they came up with that in the sixties. leave the man alone.

 

[Pandaman]

They have items that splits the soul from the body

so aizen just has some uber evil version of a soul candy because.... because you want him to?

The seperated soul would still be able to fight aizen and the body would keep living under the care of the artifical soul until aizen is trashed enough for whoever aizen is fighting to ask for his or her body back.

 

[Escape Goat]

So powerful they had to put him in his own dimension. And then depower him for his existence in the regular marvel U.

 

[Kusagari]

Kizaru can definitely kill Raditz.
- Can move at the speed of light
- Infinite amounts of energy
- Intangible




You must have seen only 5 episodes of One Piece.

Kuma can just deflect the moon towards the earth, done. Also, read up.

Kizaru can only move at the speed of light when he travels as light itself. You seriously think all the One Piece high tiers who can react to him are FTL?

And Kuma deflecting the moon? What the fuck.

You're just making stuff up.

Characters like Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo, way weaker than Raditz, could blow up islands in DB. Nobody in One Piece, outside of Whitebeard, has shown the ability to do that.