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[Zabka]

I don't find anything difficult to get to, it's more annoying and time consuming and incredibly inefficient. But for a casual user, they will only find constant frustration.

For example...?

Can't wait to see the hilarity that ensues when people want to close a metro app or shut down the PC from windows.

You can grab a metro app and pull down to close or open the App bar, right click and select close.

 

[Bogus]

so to shut down you have to open up the desktop app and then press alt + f4. Genius.

Nope! You don't have to do it that way, though it's the easiest way if you're on the desktop already. If you're on the start screen (or anywhere except the desktop, really), you just hit Win + C to bring up the charm/side/whatever bar, click Settings, then click Power (you can also bring up the sidebar with the mouse, if you're so inclined). It's one or two extra clicks compared to Windows 7 to do it that way, I guess. If I happen to be on the start screen, I find it quicker to just hit Win + D, ALT+F4, and Enter. Done!

It'd be nice if they also added the power options to the handy comp management menu you get with Win + X, too, but it's really not all that difficult as it is - just a little different, and in the case of ALT+F4, much zippier.

EDIT:

There are some niggles like the less accessible shut down/restart/sleep buttons (which you can actually create Metro tiles for) which are in the Charms Bar accessed by going to the bottom or top-right corners and I have a general dislike for the Charms Bar in general really, but otherwise I quite like Windows 8.

Wow, thanks for that tip! I hadn't realized you could create Metro tiles for the different power options. That's really helpful, since I find the charms bar a little clunky to use compared to all the other hotkeys.

 

[PistolPete]

You're Being Lied To: Windows 8 Isn't Bad For Gaming

I like how the author says Microsoft knows gaming but makes no mention of the complete cluster that is Games for Windows Live.

 

[Odrion]

I consider it best not to view Metro as a new mode but simply a full screen start menu, difference being that when you boot up you boot straight into your full screen start menu.

But a full screen start menu is horrible idea.

 

[Totakeke]

It is ironic that PC gamers are the ones that have most problems with dealing with a new interface. You would've thought that they'd be the best at it.

 

[cgcg]

Is pretty stupid for some Metro apps that it launches Metro app screen, then launches the Desktop then launches the actual app. What the fuck is this crap?

 

[RooMHM]

But a full screen start menu is horrible idea.

It really is.

 

[Loofy]

I dont know why they just dont call it 'Windows Touchscreen Edition: Only install if you have a touchscreen."

 

[Face it Tiger..]

I'm describing the baseline, un-modified experience. The thing that 99% of people will see. The vast majority of people don't use ad blockers, and certainly don't use plug-ins to change how web sites flow and are read.

You and I, are power users.

"C'mon Son!"

 

[Windu]

Is pretty stupid for some Metro apps that it launches Metro app screen, then launches the Desktop then launches the actual app. What the fuck is this crap?

I don't get what you're saying. You can use the Start Screen as a launcher for Desktop applications and these new Applications. The Desktop Applications run in the Desktop environment and the new Applications run in the New Environment. You of course can pin desktop applications to the taskbar and put shortcuts on the desktop. You can't put shortcuts or pin new applications to the taskbar/desktop though, which I find to be a oversight imo.

 

[diamount]

I don't know why but I'm seeing a pattern here.

Windows 95 (not sure about this one) - Windows 98 (was popular) - Windows windows millenium (avoided) - Windows XP (extremely popular) > Windows Vista (avoided) > Windows 7 (popular) > Windows 8 (avoided)

I'm basing this on incremental upgrades and not premade pc purchases.

 

[Delusibeta]

You're Being Lied To: Windows 8 Isn't Bad For Gaming

Windows 8 Is Not Good For Gamers - Kotaku.

I don't know about you, but I would put the opinion of the gaming division of Gawker Media above the tech side in deciding what is better for gamers.

 

[Totakeke]

I dont know why they just dont call it 'Windows Touchscreen Edition: Only install if you have a touchscreen."

Don't know or willfully ignorant?

 

[BurnOutBrighter]

You know you can turn that metro stuff off right?

 

[Hyuga]

So I will keep W7, as it seems

 

[Windu]

You know you can turn that metro stuff off right?

you can't turn it off, but you can easily ignore it.

 

[Parl]

But a full screen start menu is horrible idea.

I imagine that one's down to personal tastes. At first I kinda thought the same thing because it basically hides what you have open until you click on what else you're loading up, but then I realised that for the very brief moment you're loading up something else via either form of start menu, you have no need (except maybe very rarely) to be able to pay attention to the rest of your screen, you need to be looking where you're clicking to open what you're opening. After you click it, the start menu immediately goes anyway, so I don't see the disadvantage to it except for a potential degree of UI inconsistency, but I always found the start menu to be needlessly inefficient anyway, and I think Metro improves on that massively.

7 and 8 aren't without potential improvements in UI, I just find 8's to be better in some ways, worse in others. On the whole I slightly prefer 8's but not by much. That with its improved performance and slightly cleaner look make in an overall improvement in my eyes as far as I can currently tell.

 

[Osiris]

you can't turn it off, but you can easily ignore it.

The problem is, it's even easier to just ignore Windows 8.

 

[Projectjustice]

I really hate the tablet smart phone look to windows 8. Im old school and I want my PC looking like a PC. Windows 7 for me.

 

[wsoxfan1214]

And here comes another Windows 8 thread full of people who don't like change.

Cry me a fucking river. I'm using it and I love it. Everything runs as it did before, but the OS is snappier.

 

[Jobiensis]

It really is.

It is really great when you are RDP'd over a slow connection. Nothing like waiting for two 1920x1200 bitmaps being sent over a slow VPN link so you can start a command prompt. The amount of screen redraws makes Metro over RDP practically useless.

And here comes another Windows 8 thread full of people who don't like change.

I don't particularly like bad changes.

 

[Totakeke]

The problem is, it's even easier to just ignore Windows 8.

But why miss out on all the fun?

 

[chickdigger802]

Isn't this also just $40?

beats being one of those sorry lasses that had to pay full price to get out of vista

 

[SapientWolf]

It is ironic that PC gamers are the ones that have most problems with dealing with a new interface. You would've thought that they'd be the best at it.

It's not that they have problems dealing with it. It's that there is little to no added benefit from dealing with it. So why upgrade to Win8 just to deal with it?

 

[Odrion]

I imagine that one's down to personal tastes. At first I kinda thought the same thing because it basically hides what you have open until you click on what else you're loading up, but then I realised that for the very brief moment you're loading up something else via either form of start menu, you have no need (except maybe very rarely) to be able to pay attention to the rest of your screen, you need to be looking where you're clicking to open what you're opening. After you click it, the start menu immediately goes anyway, so I don't see the disadvantage to it except for a potential degree of UI inconsistency, but I always found the start menu to be needlessly inefficient anyway, and I think Metro improves on that massively.

7 and 8 aren't without potential improvements in UI, I just find 8's to be better in some ways, worse in others. On the whole I slightly prefer 8's but not by much. That with it's improved performance and slightly cleaner look make in an overall improvement in my eyes as far as I can currently tell.

You have really awful peripheral vision and never been in a multitasking situation if you think you don't want the rest of the screen available to you while accessing something on your start menu. You could probably live with it, but goddamn it would get annoying.

 

[Totakeke]

It's not that they have problems dealing with it. It's that there is little to no added benefit from dealing with it. So why upgrade to Win8 just to deal with it?

Who said you have to upgrade? It doesn't do anything to change pc gaming, good or bad.

 

[Osiris]

But why miss out on all the fun?

Tried it, didn't find the "fun" factor, there was very little in the way of improvements I hadn't already solved for Windows 7 with 3rd party solutions (Multimonitor, Task Manager etc.) - Hated the new desktop UI look compared to Aero and despised Metro and the loss of the Start menu.

Not quite sure what I'd be missing out on, other than change for changes sake and a loss of productivity.

 

[Totakeke]

Tried it, didn't find the "fun" factor, there was very little in the way of improvements I hadn't already solved for Windows 7 with 3rd patrty solutions (Multimonitor, Task Manager etc.) - Hated the new desktop UI compared to Aero and despised Metro and the loss of the Start menu.

Not quite sure what I'd be missing out on, other than change for changes sake and a loss of productivity.

The fun of joining in Windows 8 threads full of exaggeration and hysteria of course.

 

[Schweinehund]

Based on videos, it looks like a gigantic windows phone. Not very impressed, but I can't slame it until I try it.

Would be neat if gaming was just 100% compatible with linux mint.

 

[SapientWolf]

Who said you have to upgrade? It doesn't do anything to change pc gaming, good or bad.

Well, the focus of the topic is whether it's worth installing, not whether it will change PC gaming.

 

[I H8 Memes]

It's ok that some people feel this way, but I wish we would stop seeing so many articles come out against Windows 8.

 

[Odrion]

Also has anyone right clicked in Metro yet? God damn.

 

[Uno Venova]

I don't particularly like bad changes.

me neither, it's a shame some people assume every change is good for everyone.

 

[Totakeke]

Well, the focus of the topic is whether it's worth installing, not whether it will change PC gaming.

Nah, topic is about whether it's bad enough to be worth uninstalling. Quite a different matter.

Think about all those "enthusiasts" that will persuade their common friends to do all the work to get a Windows 7 image and downgrade from Windows 8 because it's clearly a big deal.

 

[Lucis]

move your mouse to the lower right click settings, click power. or ctr alt delete, click power. and learn to search for stuff. To find the control panel, type in "co" and hit enter. Come on dude.

try windows key + i

Let me teach you a fucking secret that you will gauge your eyes out for not knowing

windows key + x

 

[Delusibeta]

It's ok that some people feel this way, but I wish we would stop seeing so many articles come out against Windows 8.

Microsoft's lost the PR war with Windows 8, I'd expect more articles to come out against Windows 8 and in the future I'd be willing to bet the general consensus will be that Windows 8 is poor.

 

[Parl]

You have really awful peripheral vision and never been in a multitasking situation if you think you don't want the rest of the screen available to you while accessing something on your start menu. You could probably live with it, but goddamn it would get annoying.

Once you've clicked on the program in Metro, you're straight back to you desktop immediately as the program loads. From deciding to open a program, to opening Metro, to clicking on said program, to being back on your desktop as you were before is literally 1 second if you're familiar with where your tiles are. It's a very fast click-click and back where you were, similar if you used keyboard for that process.

I'd probably be able to identify with the problems you predict if you give me some examples.

 

[Windu]

try windows key + i

Let me teach you a fucking secret that you will gauge your eyes out for not knowing

windows key + x

I know about that stuff, besides I prefer to use my mouse most of the time so I just mouse over to get the charms bar and right click to get that other menu.

 

[Osiris]

Nah, topic is about whether it's bad enough to be worth uninstalling. Quite a different matter.

And yet, for some of us, that's exactly the case. There's only been 2 cases for me in recent history where a pre-release or Beta was enough to totally turn me off a product, SW:TOR and Windows 8.

Think about all those "enthusiasts" that will persuade their common friends to do all the work to get a Windows 7 image and downgrade from Windows 8 because it's clearly a big deal.

So? - who cares?

 

[DopeyFish]

For example...?

It's not hard to figure out yourself. Run W7 and W8 side by side... Count the amount of steps required to perform a bunch of rudimentary tasks and time the duration and compare. Do it with things including options only available in the desktop control panel as well as searching for long file names with random characters. Since I no longer have windows 8 installed, I no longer keep its stupid quirks on my mind. Go have a ball.

You can grab a metro app and pull down to close or open the App bar, right click and select close.

Oh yes that's so intuitive and simple for the average user and not annoying to power users in any way. Yes. /sarcasm

It is ironic that PC gamers are the ones that have most problems with dealing with a new interface. You would've thought that they'd be the best at it.

PC gamers demand good interfaces. Also PC gamers tend to only upgrade- why would they downgrade?

you can't turn it off, but you can easily ignore it.

You can't, unfortunately. The start menu is an integral part of the windows operating system. Windows start screen is a disaster.

 

[Totakeke]

So? - who cares?

You do. I care less than the people who go to such lengths to denounce an new UI layer. Most people will live with it rather than have you reinstall Windows on their system.

PC gamers demand good interfaces. Also PC gamers tend to only upgrade- why would they downgrade?

Depending who you ask, why would they downgrade indeed.

 

[lexi]

It is really great when you are RDP'd over a slow connection. Nothing like waiting for two 1920x1200 bitmaps being sent over a slow VPN link so you can start a command prompt. The amount of screen redraws makes Metro over RDP practically useless.

Oh fuck me this is going to be painful. Do Microsoft even consider this kind of shit -- of course not, RDP doesn't fit into their zeal to be as cool as Apple.

 

[Windu]

You can't, unfortunately. The start menu is an integral part of the windows operating system. Windows start screen is a disaster.

do you spend half your day in the start menu or something? I spend like 30 seconds a day in the start menu. win key, type to search, enter.

 

[Escape Goat]

I applaud any company's desire to change and find the next best thing, but the attention I've seen given to Windows 8 has been negative. Pretty much all of it. So hopefully I can continue to use Win7 until Windows 9.

 

[I H8 Memes]

Microsoft's lost the PR war with Windows 8, I'd expect more articles to come out against Windows 8 and in the future I'd be willing to bet the general consensus will be that Windows 8 is poor.

Well I need the press to shut the hell up about it. Much like Vista, I'm hoping as many suckers as possible will buy Windows 8 and pay to beta test my Windows 9 for me.

 

[DopeyFish]

do you spend half your day in the start menu or something? I spend like 30 seconds a day in the start menu. win key, type to search, enter.

I spend enough time using the start menu that windows 8 start screen would be beyond irritating.

And maintaining screen context is incredibly important to me, too.

 

[Razek]

do you spend half your day in the start menu or something? I spend like 30 seconds a day in the start menu. win key, type to search, enter.

Maybe OT, but I never understood how people could just live off of search. It never works for me. I just tried it and it failed to find a folder I have one click away in the regular start menu :/

 

[Totakeke]

Actually, let's not kid ourselves that PC games had good UI all along, many of them are terrible and we have dealt with it because of the content, the gameplay, that they provide.

One of the problems with Metro now is still that the app store is quite barren, there's no content there. If I can have the ability to do my normal tasks on my mobile computer, then detach or flip it over to play high quality iPad-like board games with my friends on it using the touch screen, I don't see why I would downgrade to Win7.

 

[Loofy]

Don't know or willfully ignorant?

Naw I even took the the time to look at some youtube tutorial videos.
Windows 8 is like having a cellphone interface running a desktop and the classic windows mode being another app button. Im not gonna use these metro apps, I guess Im one of the few people who never had any complaints using a browser.
Ill keep it for it now cause its not on my main PC. But I can see how alot of people will be uninstalling it because it hampers down on their productivity.

 

[Tomat]

try windows key + i

Let me teach you a fucking secret that you will gauge your eyes out for not knowing

windows key + x

Really glad you gave me those shortcuts, but my never orient my hands to the point where Windows Key + I or X is convenient.