was up past 4 am yesterday, with my dad snoring on the other room it was terribleeee
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Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate announced for Wii U/3DS, coming to West, no 3DS online
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was up past 4 am yesterday, with my dad snoring on the other room it was terribleeee
The thing that deterred me from bowguns wasn't the complexity, but the price to make all the ammo needed to be a decent gunner was crazy high.
Sigismundo
Member
This is going to be my first MH game.
What's the easiest weapon to use for a new player?
What's the easiest weapon to use for a new player?
Little Green Yoda
Member
How far into the game are you? Once you get all the high level armor you want, money is a complete non-issue. Endgame monster parts sell for a lot and if you're not constantly upgrading stuff, the zenny piles up very quickly.
Sword and Shield is probably the easiest weapon for a new player. It does decent damage, allows you to block some attacks, and use items while your weapon is drawn, which is something all other weapons can't do.
The raw damage isn't great with S&S but IMO it's a great starting point for all newcomers. Once you get accustomed to the game flow then you can move on to more complex weapons.
Direct capture showing off the new MH3U city (in MH3G, mind) http://youtu.be/mJ_ubwEVi7I
I jumped straight to the Great Sword because that's what simbolizes MH to me. Took a bit getting used to but it wasn't that bad, biggest problem was not knowing when to stop attacking and dodge.
Sigismundo
Member
I'll look into them, thanks.
For comparison, what's the hardest weapon to use? Not necessarily for new players just in general.
Sammy Samusu
Member
I'd say Lance.
I would say a heavy bowgun that lacks a shield.
Little Green Yoda
Member
Well, the three damage dealing gunners were running Heroics. Status locking monsters in speed runs is nothing new. Interesting that they were able to KO/stun the monster twice with bowguns though. I recall it was pretty difficult in Tri to get one of those using only Exhaust S.
Bow looks all kinds of sexy.
A lot of practice is required to attain that level of team work.
Btw that quest is really hard.
Meh. Sleepbombing Alatreon is actually pretty easy, although expensive. As long as you have all the right armor, weaponry, and ammo, you can down the most difficult Tri monster in a few minutes.
That's not Alatreon.
I threw in around 250 hours, so I had seen everything but didn't go much farther beyond that. I was mostly talking about the mid-game where you're perpetually experimenting with different armor and weapons.
I know, but it's a similar concept. This looks a little bit more complicated in that they were using Adrenaline +2 (I assume, hence the bombing), but they still just shot it until it died. It's hard to tell, but I saw sleep, para, and something to stun it (clust, crag?). Certainly mediocre players could bring down Bracchidios in no more than 10 minutes like that.
Little Green Yoda
Member
Not really. In these types of runs, the status gunner does pretty much 99% of the hard work. The other guys just need to have proper setups and make sure they don't miss a stationary target lol.
Yeah, I never really bothered with gunning until like HR100. Having to deal with the extra expense of ammo while you're making and upgrading constantly would be tough.
You should give it a try though. Gunning feels completely different from the melee weapons.
Yes, a normal sleep bombing run is easy. However, to attain those record breaking speed run like the video above needs a lot of practice. There is no room for mistakes.
Try executing it with 3 fellow hunters.
Karsticles
Member
And yet it was a rarity in Tri to find 3 people who understood the Alatreon fight. Especially when you are trying to blow the horn by the wall. There's always some dipshit still fighting Alatron, and he drags the monster near the wall so it swipes the thing down. Oi.
This is what I call no team work and lack practice lol
Anuxinamoon
Shaper Divine
lack of communication also comes as a factor.
Karsticles
Member
It usually goes like this:
Me: "Go to walls first to break off horns; follow me."
P2: "K."
P3: "K."
P4, who is wearing full Rathalos armor and uses a longsword, is completely silent.
Fight starts.
Me, P2, and P3 are all by the wall, while P4 is off fighting Alatreon. He dies, and decides to type something:
P4: "WTF???"
Me: "Go to walls first to break off horns; follow me."
P2: "K."
P3: "K."
P4, who is wearing full Rathalos armor and uses a longsword, is completely silent.
Fight starts.
Me, P2, and P3 are all by the wall, while P4 is off fighting Alatreon. He dies, and decides to type something:
P4: "WTF???"
Little Green Yoda
Member
I think about half of my nearly 600 HR in Tri is from speedrunning Giant Jho to grind for Timeworns. Really have to pick and choose to find players who understand what to use/do but the role of the Pierce gunner is simple. I know because I've leeched so much off status gunners in those runs lol. I can do sub-3 minute Giant Jho runs as the status gunner but I've had many runs where someone else status gunned while I Pierced. Sub-1:30 is very doable with favorable spawns and a good status gunner.
If your point is that the average random player is incompetent and doesn't listen to advice/instruction, then I agree.
Little Green Yoda
Member
Nobody really does Ala speed runs with status locking though. Except these guys.
Most people just wall clust which is a lot simpler and easier. There are still people with sub-standard clust sets that lead to Ala breaking the wall though. But that has more to do with not using the proper setups or following directions. The actual playing skill involved in wall clusting is minimal.
Anuxinamoon
Shaper Divine
rofl!
I make sure before a hunt, instructions are understood before heading out. But still that is never fullprof
People just clust Ala now?
Melee is so much more fun!Its like everyone clusting Fata, easy but so unrewarding. Half and half groups are funniest. Then you know the wings and face will get broken.
Karsticles
Member
I'm not a big fan of using bombs in general. It's cool to see how fast you can beat something, but I play the game to enjoy the fights. It's just not terribly enjoyable to spend all my time farming for materials to make big bombs - blech!
I came to love hammering Alatreon and Jho by the time I stopped. I got reeeeaally close to 5 KOs on Jho once, and I did get it on Alatreon. Only because my teams were terrible and took so goddamn long to do anything (who knows what they were up to), but there's a special kind of pride in getting our hammering down so consistently that you can make that happen.
I love rocking all the weapons, though. Except Switch-Axe. I still don't get the point of that thing.
Little Green Yoda
Member
There are still people who melee Ala since not everybody guns and materials for the clust setup requires some rare materials. Plus, wall clust runs don't break Ala's horns since you need the horns intact for the strategy to work.
But people grinding Ala for HR tend to clust since it's easy and fast.
But people grinding Ala for HR tend to clust since it's easy and fast.
Karsticles
Member
Why would you grind him for HR? It's the Monster Hunter equivalent of Achievement Points. Completely vapid (aside from quest reqs of course).
Little Green Yoda
Member
No doubt. Fun comes first. But sometimes it's refreshing to demolish a monster so quickly and thoroughly. I would get bored if I cheesed Uragaan every time with RF Dragon but every now and then it's fun to solo Uragaan in Burnt Offering before your three teammates finish Agnaktor lol.
I don't understand it either. Some people like their e-peen, I guess. HR 999 comes with red font.
Personally, I hate the higher expectations that come with higher HR; rather embarrassing when you cart first despite dwarfing everybody else in HR. There are quite a few players who think HR = skill though so people are generally nicer to you. :x
Oh yeah, I agree with this. Performing a sub-1:20 Fiery Skies Frozen Fields is no easy task, and certainly takes an absurd amount of skill and coordination. And it's a lot of fun.
Leaning more to record breaking speed runs. More like 45s Alatreon runs.
Little Green Yoda
Member
Fair enough. I misread your original post. Going for record times is certainly different from simply doing the quest as fast as you can.
Meesh
Member
Here's a question, why oh why doesn't Capgod include a 2 player mode for the wiiu ultimate version right outta the box. Each player would have their own screen and it would make so much sense for Monster hunter households looking for local co-op. With 2 wiius my wife and kids can get in on the action without having to go portable...Heck, it's not like we wouldn't hunt on our 3ds's because we're always on the go too, I just think it would be a tremendous feature/selling point.
Are you saying companies should let two people play their game off one disc? What a waste of potential sales! Ridiculous.
..is what everyone who don't include local co-op are thinking, not realizing that it's free advertisement
Meesh
Member
Ya, I knew I was asking too much...I wonder what else, if anything at all, will be added to the wiiu version.
Sammy Samusu
Member
GET IN!
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...hunter-3-ultimate-wii-u-and-3ds-work-together
I recommend yall to read the whole article, some key excerpts:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...hunter-3-ultimate-wii-u-and-3ds-work-together
I recommend yall to read the whole article, some key excerpts:
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Strange of them not to use the Nintendo Network friends list. Uh oh?
Sammy Samusu
Member
Not really a problem, it's easy and quick to add hunters to your friend-list.
Current lack of voice chat is a much bigger issue in my opinion.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Jumping to conclusions?
Nostremitus
Member
OK, so the 3ds version will be able to play local co-op with the Wiiu. The WiiU will be able to play online. How hard would it be for them to allow the 3ds version to piggyback the wiiu? Meaning, if I were on the wiiu and my wife on the 3ds, would it be possible for them to allow us to play with another couple with the same setup online?
vagabondarts
Member
Don't think that will be happening. In fact, I don't even think it's possible
I want to see a lot of games do crossplay in the way this game is doing it.
Local multiplayer in the same room on different screens/devices > local multiplayer splitscreen on one tv.
ThatObviousUser
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It's possible, but really only feasible if the versions are literally almost 100% the same. See: Echoes of Time.
I'll trade in 3DS online for prettier Wii U graphics any day.
Silphonica
Banned
Really? Considering no-one used Wii speak, and it hindered the lobby space.
Nostremitus
Member
I never tortured myself with a hope they would allow it, just didn't know if it were possible.
Wii U isn't exactly as limited as Wii.
Nostremitus
Member
But... GAF told me it would be the wii of next gen.