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Ah gotcha. So your point is everyone has different thresholds of personal responsibility?

After all, we're talking about a sub-reddit that probably wouldn't exist if it weren't for the sexualized clothing that some women like to wear these days. Yoga pants/leggings led into dudes getting boners and wanting to share the boner good times with the internet. The pictures of modest clothing comes from a place of voyeurism and will sometimes pop up on the internet outside of a group of fetishists.

Basically, that sub-reddit wouldn't exist if it weren't for that type of clothing and women's privacy is going to be violated considering the technological times we live and there's no discernible way to properly handle it. And considering the harm done, nobody's in a rush to try to fix it.
So there wouldn't be sub reddits of creeper shots if not for yoga pants? Are you serious? Cause the other reading of your point makes it so particularized that it's useless: "if not for yoga pants a sub reddit about yoga pants wouldn't exist."
 
Maybe we should rate&discuss some scenarios:



  • 1)
Taking a picture of a woman because she looks very attractive. You don't zoom on her ass or anything but you also don't ask her first. You take it home (you might or might not use it for your SpankBank), she'll never know.

[ ] Creepy
[ ] I'm ok with this




  • 2)
Taking a picture of a woman because she looks very attractive and you want to share it. You don't zoom on her ass or anything but you also don't ask her first. You go home and post it online for everyone to see (&masturbate to).

[ ] Creepy
[ ] I'm ok with this




  • 3)
Same as 1), but you go specifically for upskirts, use hidden cameras etc.

[ ] Creepy
[ ] I'm ok with this




  • 4)
Same as 2), but you go specifically for upskirts, use hidden cameras etc.

[ ] Creepy
[ ] I'm ok with this




  • 5)
Same as 1), but you actually ask the woman for her consent. She might punch you though, or run away in terror.

[ ] Creepy
[ ] I'm ok with this




  • 6)
Same as 2), but you actually ask the woman for her consent. She might punch you though, or run away in terror.

[ ] Creepy
[ ] I'm ok with this




  • 7)
Lie and tell her you are a model agent for a big label and you are screening for new talents. Take some shots of her in model poses. Bonus: She might give you her number and suck your dick if you promise to get her a shooting (Bonus-bonus: Actually create a fake model shooting and take nude pictures. Also, Casting Couch)

[ ] Creepy
[ ] I'm ok with this
 
Yoga pants are ridiculous. If I went around wearing those and people could clearly see my dick I wouldn't be surprised or offended if I saw people looking. Be it if they were looking because they thought I was attractive or because my fucking dick is on show to everyone who might fancy a glance.
 
You live in a fucking fantasy world. If we all wore Victorian clothing, we'd currently be arguing heatedly about r/ankleshots. The problem is the idea that it's acceptable for men to violate women's space and rivalry, and it's valuable to post about how fucked up this is to fight that idea.

Nobody ever said it was acceptable in a total sense. It is acceptable in that I'm not going to lose my mind over the situation and/or make it against the law. Somebody passes a bill for the "click" sound in all phones sign me up. Expecting me to express a ton of outrage just isn't going to happen considering the scale of the problem this is.

So there wouldn't be sub reddits of creeper shots if not for yoga pants? Are you serious? Cause the other reading of your point makes it so particularized that it's useless: "if not for yoga pants a sub reddit about yoga pants wouldn't exist."

Yoga pants/leggings sure as hell seemed to make this so prevalent. There's a reason why they're targeted far more than just booty shorts or something like that. For my memory, most of the amateur creeper stuff used to always revolve around rummaging through Facebook and MySpace profiles for self shots. It appears to me this became more prevalent when a fair amount of women found it cool to wear yoga pants/leggings. But hey, I'm probably wrong and these won't be the dumbest things I post around here.
 

Jangocube

Banned
It's perverted, but if a woman isn't ashamed of wearing something in public then she shouldn't be ashamed when it is posted on the Internet. There's no way to stop this. It can be deterred, or discouraged, but this is going to continue.

Kind of my feelings about this.

As long as the guys aren't going to extreme lengths to get the right angle or upskirt shot or whatever, I don't see how this is all that bad. Creepy and disgusting? Yep. But there is absolutely no way to stop a guy from taking a cell phone picture of a girl walking ahead of him out in public.

Oh, and this "trend" makes me sad. I love when women wear skirts =( You pervs are destroying one of my favorite outfits.
 

noah111

Still Alive
Taking pictures is creepy, yes. Yes it should not be done. Still, in my view, yea you're free to wear whatever the hell you want and not expect to be harassed. At the same time, just like you're free to wear what you want, don't complain when guys are checking you out.

Yoga pants are comfortable, ok sure. But they're basically just an outer laying of material over your ass and legs. You can see everything. So again, sure, wear whatever you like, but don't be surprised that it will attract the opposite sex when we can pretty much see your ass just in a different color (though I'm not saying you can take pictures of them randomly without consent).
Sorry ladies, if you ever work out, go jogging, or just try to dress in something a bit comfortable, you've got it coming! That's basically what you're saying. I think you're confusing leggings for yoga sweats or something, because most of them aren't that extreme as you seem to be thinking.

At the end of the day you're basically saying let's repress what she should wear or what she would be 'safe' to wear, in order to control the urges of certain men, thus placing the responsibility (aka blame) more-so on her than the man, which is obviously wrong.. that's what this all comes down to at the end of the day when people keep brining up the term victim blaming.

Just some clarification on that.

So there wouldn't be sub reddits of creeper shots if not for yoga pants? Are you serious? Cause the other reading of your point makes it so particularized that it's useless: "if not for yoga pants a sub reddit about yoga pants wouldn't exist."
Yeah, that's where it falls apart.
 

curttard

Banned
Women don't wear those clothes solely to attract the attention of the opposite sex. Is it really so wrong to just enjoy that kind of clothing without the worry of people acting creepy over it?

Tight, "sexy" clothes are typically not more comfortable. What do they "enjoy" about it other than that it makes them sexually attractive?
 
Best post by the Joker, and a fitting response to yours.

Deserves to be on new page:

Look, rapers will rape, thieves will steal, murderers will kill. I don't expect them to wear a burkah, I don't expect a woman to wear one of those vagina dick traps, I don't expect you to have your wallet or purse chained to you, it's impractical. What I do expect is basic personal care. If you don't want people looking at your butt, don't flaunt it. If you don't want people seeing how rich you are, don't flaunt it, if you don't people want to kill you, don't where crip colors in blood territory. What is wrong with taking care of yourself? I'm not putting the blame on the victim. I'm not GOING to put blame on the victim, but making yourself vulnerable creates an opening for someone to take advantage of it.

What's so hard to understand?

Look, there are dangers in going out at certain times or being in certain situations, particularly for women. That doesn't mean we should berate them for not doing those things, because they shouldn't have to. You see the amount of people who have been shot in this country - which one of you wants to be the jackass who says "they should have been wearing a bulletproof vest" or "oh well, they shouldn't have gone out at that time"?

That not only places the blame on the victim, but directly removes freedoms. Women should be able to go out whenever and not take a bunch of ridiculous precautions, as we should be able to go out sans a bulletproof vest. Because now if we restrict women and we restrict people in urban areas because they "should have done" something different, we'll never have any real form of equality. We have to blame the criminals and actively cut down on the crime.

Now to assume the logic is "they can do, this now, then when we fix it, they can go back out." Say it works, and now every woman stays completely safe because they don't trust strangers, wear heavy clothing and stay indoors at all times. Now that they're "safe," how much effort will actually go towards stopping the problem? Now we've made women a second class, and if they ever do get back their freedom, they'd be far behind, again.

There is no solution that is acceptable beyond addressing the rape and the rapist as the issue, period. Blaming women for what they could have/should have done doesn't do anything positive for anyone.
 

pargonta

Member
Maybe we should rate&discuss some scenarios:

  • 1)
[ ] Creepy
[X] I'm ok with this


  • 2)
[X] Creepy
[ ] I'm ok with this


  • 3)
[X] Creepy
[ ] I'm ok with this


  • 4)
[X] Creepy
[ ] I'm ok with this


  • 5)

[X] Creepy
[ ] I'm ok with this


  • 6)
[X] Creepy
[ ] I'm ok with this


  • 7)
[X ] Creepy
[ ] I'm ok with this

.

Personal Freedom so long as it doesn't harm the other's image and rights. the first one seems to abide by this while the others don't.

edit: 5 seems okay as well, so long as she says yes.
if she says no and 1 follows, obviously it's wrong.
 
Sorry ladies, if you ever work out, go jogging, or just try to dress in something a bit comfortable, you've got it coming! That's basically what you're saying. I think you're confusing leggings for yoga sweats or something, because most of them aren't that extreme as you seem to be thinking.

At the end of the day you're basically saying let's repress what she should wear or what she would be 'safe' to wear, in order to control the urges of certain men, thus placing the responsibility (aka blame) more-so on her than the man, which is obviously wrong.. that's what this all comes down to at the end of the day when people keep brining up the term victim blaming.

Just some clarification on that.

I specifically said they are free to wear what they want.
 

noah111

Still Alive
Maybe we should rate&discuss some scenarios:
The answers are pretty obvious imo.

1,2,3,4,7 = creepy
5,6 = i'm ok with that

As long as the guys aren't going to extreme lengths to get the right angle or upskirt shot or whatever, I don't see how this is all that bad. Creepy and disgusting? Yep. But there is absolutely no way to stop a guy from taking a cell phone picture of a girl walking ahead of him out in public.
Japan found a decent way. ;p
 

Razek

Banned
I just woke up and read this thing. What in the world?


First, it's obvious that this type of behavior, regardless of law, is an invasion of privacy. When you have a stranger taking pictures of another in this type of intent, it's obvious that it is malicious. The problem has been identified.

What do we do about? Of course, people jump on blaming the victim "Don't wear revealing or clothing that is often considered sexual." The issue here is, freedom of choice is something we should be striving for. The goal isn't to restrict someone on what they can wear. There is no doubt it is a factor on who will be targeted however. The best combat against this is changing peoples mentalities about personal space, respectful behavior, ect. and educating them that: No, people often don't want to be invaded in this manner.

Of course, even if this was completely successful, there will always be outliers who cannot control their urges and compulsions. That's a fact of being a highly sexual biological organism. We strive to suppress it to bring order. Sometimes, that just can't be completely be accomplished. So what am I getting at here? Victim blaming is not a good step towards solving this issue, but those denying that wearing revealing clothing doesn't have any effect on who becomes targeted are naive.

tl;dr: Frown on this behavior. Remove safe havens for it like the sub reddit. Educate people that this is a violation of personal space unless there is consent given.
 
Tight, "sexy" clothes are typically not more comfortable. What do they "enjoy" about it other than that it makes them sexually attractive?

Lol, why don't we just let someone who wears said clothes explain why they wear them instead of making assumptions?

Oh I know, because what female gaffers say cannot be extrapolated to the rest of the female population.
 

Dude Abides

Banned
Why is the answer no? Because she wears a scarf? Or do you think she needs to strip down to the western standard? Eat pork so she won't get questioned why she didn't get the baconator instead of the fish sandwich? To not go to prayer just so people won't ask?

She'll get harassed regardless, just like I do even though I'm "white." In fact, my wife is more "white" than me. She was born of an American family.

I said, creeps will creep. Dicks will be dicks. You can't avoid it completely, but you can safeguard yourself from it to an extent.

I don't understand why you're dodging the question. It's not difficult. Should your wife stop wearing the scarf to safeguard herself from harassment or not?

You live in a fucking fantasy world. If we all wore Victorian clothing, we'd currently be arguing heatedly about r/ankleshots. The problem is the idea that it's acceptable for men to violate women's space and rivalry, and it's valuable to post about how fucked up this is to fight that idea.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=511ysATo3QQ
 

noah111

Still Alive
Wow....as a photographer that is just frightening that people wish for this kind of law.
Yeah, that makes no fucking sense.

I still wouldn't be against stricter regulations on how 'sexualized' photos of specific individuals who never complied to being photographed can circulate freely on the net, as opposed to upskirts or photos of unknowing minors for example.
 
I'm late to the pants party, but another woman chiming in.


Women wear tight pants so good looking men will notice their butts.

But ugly men noticing and men in general taking pictures of that is rude I guess.

I know you've been responded to quite a bit already as I've gone through the thread, but I have to add my disagreement. Tight pants are not solely worn for the benefit of good-looking men. Leggings and yoga pants are very comfortable and easy to move in. For someone who rides back and forth to work on a bike and then has to sit at a comp for hours on end (which when wearing jeans digs the band into your hipbone something awful), I've found them my best option for comfort's sake. Many other women do as well.

They're not our plot to tantalize males, and certainly shouldn't give creeper guys free reign to take photos. There's a difference between the attentions of a guy who smiles at you from across the room or says hi and the attentions of a guy skulking behind you trying to take ass shots. One is fine, the other is not.


Fucking winner winner chicken dinner

If you don't want people staring, ditch the yoga pants/leggings/tight jeans. Women are such hippo crits. They wear very revealing body conforming clothing to attract attention, then complain when they get it. I'm considering turning gay, that's how aggravating they are

Then please do, though I'm not certain gay gaf would want you either.


He's talking for the hundreds, if not thousands, of GAFFERs out there tired of Devo's trolling BS.

She's not trolling here, though. Her point is legitimate and myself, as well as the other women who have popped in agree with her.


I love how so many men think girls wear yoga pants for their attention. Nice to see how they think everything revolves around them.

There has been a lot of this sentiment lately... :/
 
Creep shots aren't anything new,People have been doing this since they start putting cameras on phones.Still pretty creepy thing to do.
 

curttard

Banned
Lol, why don't we just let someone who wears said clothes explain why they wear them instead of making assumptions?

Oh I know, because what female gaffers say cannot be extrapolated to the rest of the female population.

No, because people are full of shit when explaining motivations that contradict things they profess.

If you're not sitting around in the privacy of your home on a rainy day reading a book in your tight/revealing outfit, then it's pretty damn obvious that the reason you wear it in public is for the affect it has on others. I mean pretty much by definition. You wear it to look a certain way, and since you're not spending the whole day in front of a mirror, it's to look a certain way TO OTHERS. To have a certain effect on them.

Yoga pants are different because they are actually functional; but in most situations, sweatpants would be just as functional and more comfortable.

certainly shouldn't give creeper guys free reign to take photos.

People already have free reign to take photos in public places.
 
In response to JokerofSpades' post, where does the "don't accept drinks from strangers" play into this? Is there a reason this isn't seen as victim-blaming? I'm not trying to be cute, I'm genuinely curious.
 
Men are the real victims here. When I get a painful boner due to yoga pants, the only thing that comes to my mind is "I GOTTA TAKE A PICTURE".
 
No, because people are full of shit when explaining motivations that contradict things they profess.

If you're not sitting around in the privacy of your home on a rainy day reading a book in your tight/revealing outfit, then it's pretty damn obvious that the reason you wear it in public is for the affect it has on others. I mean pretty much by definition. You wear it to look a certain way, and since you're not spending the whole day in front of a mirror, it's to look a certain way TO OTHERS. To have a certain effect on them.

So you're completely dismissing what the female gaffer just above you said?

I know you've been responded to quite a bit already as I've gone through the thread, but I have to add my disagreement. Tight pants are not solely worn for the benefit of good-looking men. Leggings and yoga pants are very comfortable and easy to move in. For someone who rides back and forth to work on a bike and then has to sit at a comp for hours on end (which when wearing jeans digs the band into your hipbone something awful), I've found them my best option for comfort's sake. Many other women do as well.

They're not our plot to tantalize males, and certainly shouldn't give creeper guys free reign to take photos. There's a difference between the attentions of a guy who smiles at you from across the room or says hi and the attentions of a guy skulking behind you trying to take ass shots. One is fine, the other is not.
 

pants

Member
I don't know why women even bother with yoga pants. Underwear is a lot more comfortable.

If society allowed me to walk around in my nice comfy cotton boxers, I would throw a party to celebrate this new found freedom.
 

Zabka

Member
If society allowed me to walk around in my nice comfy cotton boxers, I would throw a party to celebrate this new found freedom.

Which society doesn't? It isn't any more revealing than a bathing suit.

Women in NY can even go topless if they prefer it.
 
No, because people are full of shit when explaining motivations that contradict things they profess.

If you're not sitting around in the privacy of your home on a rainy day reading a book in your tight/revealing outfit, then it's pretty damn obvious that the reason you wear it in public is for the affect it has on others. I mean pretty much by definition. You wear it to look a certain way, and since you're not spending the whole day in front of a mirror, it's to look a certain way TO OTHERS. To have a certain effect on them.

Yoga pants are different because they are actually functional; but in most situations, sweatpants would be just as functional and more comfortable.



People already have free reign to take photos in public places.
Hahaha. This is rich. All female-gaffers are fucking liars... Got ya.
 

noah111

Still Alive
If society allowed me to walk around in my nice comfy cotton boxers, I would throw a party to celebrate this new found freedom.
I want to try out yoga pants first. Maybe make a cutout for my exteriors for maximum comfort, though. Then wear boxers on top of that to path the opening.
 

Jobiensis

Member
I found photos on the internet of me riding my bike up Palomar. Apparently photographers hang out there and take pictures of motorcyclists and bicyclists. I found it a bit creepy, and it has nothing to do with anything sexual. It is creepy to take pictures of people you don't know in public, it gets creepier if there is a sexual purpose. Taking pictures of strangers' asses is something that should be socially discouraged, but not illegal.

I don't know what to say about yoga pants, but it isn't victim blaming to say don't be surprised if people look when you flaunt your ass and legs (whether this is on purpose or for comfort). I don't get bent out of shape because people can't seem to talk to me without checking out my dick when I am wearing bicycle shorts or when people yell nice ass out of their cars as they drive by. It be nice if everyone could control themselves and act a bit more respectable, but it isn't realistic. If you have nice tits and are showing cleavage, you have no idea how much self control I have to use to not stare. It's honestly much harder than quiting smoking.

So,
looking at asses = OK
taking pictures of asses in public = Not OK
taking pictures upskirt, changing room, etc = Go to jail

You should wear yoga pants too. It gives the boner room to stretch out and relax.

Far less painful than jeans.

I could see them being very comfortable, I like the feeling of compression in my legs.
 
No, because people are full of shit when explaining motivations that contradict things they profess.

If you're not sitting around in the privacy of your home on a rainy day reading a book in your tight/revealing outfit, then it's pretty damn obvious that the reason you wear it in public is for the affect it has on others. I mean pretty much by definition. You wear it to look a certain way, and since you're not spending the whole day in front of a mirror, it's to look a certain way TO OTHERS. To have a certain effect on them.

Yoga pants are different because they are actually functional; but in most situations, sweatpants would be just as functional and more comfortable.

Again, you're making (at this point) idiotic assumptions about what people find comfortable.

So it's only okay to wear yoga pants in public if they ALSO wear yoga pants when lounging? No one should have to validate or justify their clothing choice.

Additionally, don't assume that just because someone is wearing a certain piece of clothing in public, that they're doing it for OTHER people's enjoyment. That might be true in some cases, but not all.

Sweat pants and yoga pants are not the same. If we're talking functional and comfortable, why are baggy sweat pants any more comfortable or functional?
 
I was about to say its creepy but harmless but yeah if I saw someone doing that to a family member or friend words would be spoken.
This.

If I caught someone doing it I'd say something. But it's not a big enough issue that I actually worry about it. There's not much I can do about it anyways if someone were to do it. And it's not like my wife goes around naked. *shrug*
 
Creepy as fuck.

Recently a Toys R' Us employee here was arrested for taking indecent photos of women in the store while working. He was placing his camera/phone under their clothes etc. and had apparently been doing it for some time before he was finally caught.

I don't think this is necessarily a new trend but probably worsened with all the creeps congregating in one place on the internet. I'm vaguely reminded of someone from my high school that almost everyone must have hated. He was picked on heavily and was a really weird, annoying, and creepy dude. He would get jumped and beat up all the time for taking 'candid' shots of girls in the school without their permission. I saw him do it once or twice and thought it was weird as fuck.
 

BadAss2961

Member
Creep shots aren't anything new,People have been doing this since they start putting cameras on phones.Still pretty creepy thing to do.
And before that too, apparently.

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Einbroch

Banned
H.Pro, while I agree that yoga pants do have benefits, why do so many yoga pants/spandex pants have words plastered over the ass or a different pattern over the ass? Just yesterday I saw a woman wearing yoga pants that were solid black except the ass was zebra print.

Why do that if not to call attention to that area?
 
rude to snap a picture without the persons consent.

Oh well, we all want our smartphones and social media, take the good with the bad I guess....
 
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