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Fall of Anime 2012 |OT2| O cursed spite, that ever I was born to UUURRRRYYY!!

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Geneijin

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Never said it was an universal requirement, since the show can be enjoyed in multiple ways after all...but my point is that a purely "ironic" enjoyment implies enjoying something in a way that goes against the intended purpose, which is what I question in this particular case, since IMHO what you highlighted isn't necessarily some sort of horribly unforeseeable circumstance the creators produce out of incompetence, not realizing that people would find something funny.
Never said you did either. I'm talking about Code Geass specifically here.

And if people are able to enjoy Code Geass unironically, then I don't see how you can credit the creators for any reaction, intended or unintended.
 

kayos90

Tragic victim of fan death
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Why didn't you do this like.... on episode 3?
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
SAO isn't even a good hatewatch anime. I don't know why anyone would do it other than blunt curiosity into what is popular right now.
 

cajunator

Banned
Boring as fuck. I should try to watch it again but I've fallen asleep twice while trying to watch the first episode. First time I was tired so I brushed it off. Second time was in the middle of the day.

fair enough.
It does start off slow. But it also gets very good later.
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
There are certainly valid instances of "ironically" consuming a piece of media, namely enjoying a work for the opposite reason that it was intended to be enjoyed. The product cannot exhibit any self-awareness of whatever quality makes it unintentionally entertaining, because it is usually the opposition between how the work portrays itself and how the consumer interprets it that creates the "irony". This entails examples like Garzey's Wing for its terrible but entirely sincere dub and Happy Science films for mockery of the absurd religious concepts that are seriously and reverently depicted by the films themselves. It would not apply to things like Code Geass or Yami to Boushi to Hon no Tabibito, for whom their absurdities are varying degrees of deliberate. Basically, the ability to watch something ironically hinges on how the work presents itself, not solely the fact that the consumer is enjoying the work for being "bad" or "absurd".
 

Branduil

Member
Sword Art Online 15

I like how the show originally created the impression that Kirito started playing SAO to escape from the real world, but now that we actually find out about his real life it's just as ridiculously Gary Stu as in the video game, to the point of inspiring inappropriate feelings in his relatives.


Bonus Gary Stu points for adding a villain who's excessively evil and creepy for no other reason than to make Kirito look good by comparison.

I'm not even going to get into how offensive the sister character is. This show asks us to revile one guy for sniffing someone's hair at the same time that it encourages incestual fantasies. It's a loathsome story that aims to inspire muckfeeding hypocrites.
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
Cuz it's fun for a variety of reasons.
I guess I just don't find it very fun. Even the discussions around its "absurdity" are fairly mundane within the anime world. Like this week it was a bunch of posts about tentacles with nothing to really say about them, just that they exist, and are in this world. Same goes for the old stuff. Oh, there's dumb incest stuff? Big deal, I've slept through that plot before.

Perhaps I am just weathered and have grown callous to that sort of stuff, but I don't even consider myself very familiar or knowledgeable when it comes to anime compared to many other posters here. I can't imagine how many times they have seen this stuff over and over again. SAO is just kind of a bland show.
 

CorvoSol

Member
Why don't you?

Well because-

Because he has better shit to do like watch The Big O!

-precisely.

You can start with:

Blood-C
Glass Fleet
Garzey's Wing
Yami
Arjuna
Happy Science
stuff

Okay, I suppose I could-

Does not compute.

-Check-

The secret is that those are all good

-well then why did you suggest it?

Anyway:

Gundam SEED Destiny 18
In which Lunamaria Hawke spends the entire episode sucking Athrun's dick and he doesn't give a damn because he's too busy reminding Shinn what a goddamn idiot we all think he is.
 

kayos90

Tragic victim of fan death
I guess I just don't find it very fun. Even the discussions around its "absurdity" are fairly mundane within the anime world. Like this week it was a bunch of posts about tentacles with nothing to really say about them, just that they exist, and are in this world. Same goes for the old stuff. Oh, there's dumb incest stuff? Big deal, I've slept through that plot before.

Perhaps I am just weathered and have grown callous to that sort of stuff, but I don't even consider myself very familiar or knowledgeable when it comes to anime compared to many other posters here. I can't imagine how many times they have seen this stuff over and over again. SAO is just kind of a bland show.

Well, at this point many wouldn't say the show is fun. It's moreso that we get to talk about it with people and laugh, hence it's fun.
 

Envelope

sealed with a kiss
Well because-



-precisely.



Okay, I suppose I could-



-Check-



-well then why did you suggest it?

Anyway:

Gundam SEED Destiny 18
In which Lunamaria Hawke spends the entire episode sucking Athrun's dick and he doesn't give a damn because he's too busy reminding Shinn what a goddamn idiot we all think he is.
Those are enjoyable and entertaining shows that animegaf pretends are bad because then they feel better about liking them (?) [citation needed]
 

Narag

Member
Well, at this point many wouldn't say the show is fun. It's moreso that we get to talk about it with people and laugh, hence it's fun.

It's coasting on the communal aspect. Anyone that backogs it and catches up later is going to miss out on the "expperience" here and just be treated to a subpar show.
 

JCG

Member
And if people are able to enjoy Code Geass unironically, then I don't see how you can credit the creators for any reaction, intended or unintended.

I'll admit giving them credit is entirely optional, especially from the perspective of emerging audience reactions at the time of the original broadcast, but it's worth bringing up in terms of informing future discussion about a series long after the fact by introducing another perspective (which I believe is supported by facts, to an extent) some people may not have considered.
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
Well, at this point many wouldn't say the show is fun. It's moreso that we get to talk about it with people and laugh, hence it's fun.
I don't feel like it even offers much when it comes to spurring interesting or entertaining discussion.
 
I'm not even going to get into how offensive the sister character is. This show asks us to revile one guy for sniffing someone's hair at the same time that it encourages incestual fantasies. It's a loathsome story that aims to inspire muckfeeding hypocrites.

Remember, cousins are totally kosher in Japan.
 

CorvoSol

Member
That's why "transcendent" is a better term to use, as for certain shows traditional notions of objective quality don't necessarily apply.

I just wanna feel included in the computer burning. People've been stopping watching Psycho Pass and SAO for the last fifty pages, and I'm off in my little corner playing with blocks and chanting "Big-O! Showtime!"

I feel apart.
 

Narag

Member
I just wanna feel included in the computer burning. People've been stopping watching Psycho Pass and SAO for the last fifty pages, and I'm off in my little corner playing with blocks and chanting "Big-O! Showtime!"

I feel apart.

No, you're doing it right. mo' mecha!
 

Envelope

sealed with a kiss
I just wanna feel included in the computer burning. People've been stopping watching Psycho Pass and SAO for the last fifty pages, and I'm off in my little corner playing with blocks and chanting "Big-O! Showtime!"

I feel apart.

You will always have a crowd ready to join in with you if you watch a show on The List.
 
I just wanna feel included in the computer burning. People've been stopping watching Psycho Pass and SAO for the last fifty pages, and I'm off in my little corner playing with blocks and chanting "Big-O! Showtime!"

I feel apart.

I prefer reading thoughts on older shows than ones that are airing now. Though half of that is probably because I want to watch the show on my own later.
 

Theonik

Member
Crest of the Stars
So I watched this over the past couple of days. I went into this show almost completely blind knowing only that it was a space opera and seeing a picture of Lafielthat it was good. Already from the start of the first episode I knew I was going to like this show, I thought the narration added a lot to the immersion of the show and the OP was handled in a fairly classy manner too though that's becuase I'm used to OPs usually being silly j-pop and clicke character art. This show's art itself was pretty standard for its time though it had some stand-out mechanical animation at points. Not much bad however.
Moving back to the characters and the story itself, I really liked the character interaction throughout the show.
The captain of the patrol vessel at the start was seriously cool shame she had to die so early in the show but I guess it couldn't be helped.
I also wasn't a huge fan of the
meido arc
though it was still entertaining but imo the least good part of the show.
Also watching this in retrospect gave me some serious Gundam SEED vibes, which leads me to believe that either both SEED and COTS both took inspiration from the same source, SEED ripped parts of COTS or a combination of the two.


You should read the SAO manga.
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
CorvoSol: here is the most current copy of THE LIST devised by Hito and me. It's incomplete and there are a few things that either need to be watched to confirm LISTworthiness or are otherwise marked with "caveats", but here you go:

AD Police OVA
All Purpose Cultural Cat Girl Nuku Nuku (tentative upon watching)
Angel Cop (dub) (caveats)
Bagi, The Monster of Mighty Nature
Baoh
Black Lion
Blood-C
Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion
Crystal Triangle
Cyber City Oedo 808 (dub)
Dark Cat (dub)
Dog Soldier
Dracula: Emperor of Darkness (dub)
Earth Maiden Arjuna
Garzey's Wing
Glass Fleet: Legend of the Wind of the Universe
Golden Laws
Goku: Midnight Eye (tentative)
Hermes: Winds of Love
ICE (footnote: most incomprehensible ever)
Laws of Eternity
Laws of the Sun
Mad Bull 34
Mars of Destruction
Melody of Oblivion
Rebirth of Buddha
School Days
Shuffle (major caveats)
Street Fighter 2 V (with caveats)
Sukeban Deka (dub)
Wicked City (tentative upon watching)
Yami to Boushi to Hon no Tabibito
 

cajunator

Banned
There are certainly valid instances of "ironically" consuming a piece of media, namely enjoying a work for the opposite reason that it was intended to be enjoyed. The product cannot exhibit any self-awareness of whatever quality makes it unintentionally entertaining, because it is usually the opposition between how the work portrays itself and how the consumer interprets it that creates the "irony". This entails examples like Garzey's Wing for its terrible but entirely sincere dub and Happy Science films for mockery of the absurd religious concepts that are seriously and reverently depicted by the films themselves. It would not apply to things like Code Geass or Yami to Boushi to Hon no Tabibito, for whom their absurdities are varying degrees of deliberate. Basically, the ability to watch something ironically hinges on how the work presents itself, not solely the fact that the consumer is enjoying the work for being "bad" or "absurd".

I understand the concept of enjoying osmething in a manner other than intended, but unless a creator specifically says "this is how I intended this to be seen" then you really dont know if it was all a joke or not. I have a very hard time bleieving that the Garzey's wing dubbers took that seriously. They were probably laughing their ass off at how stupid it was and decided to give it a go at selling it in that manner. It seems to have worked.

I guess I just don't find it very fun. Even the discussions around its "absurdity" are fairly mundane within the anime world. Like this week it was a bunch of posts about tentacles with nothing to really say about them, just that they exist, and are in this world. Same goes for the old stuff. Oh, there's dumb incest stuff? Big deal, I've slept through that plot before.

Perhaps I am just weathered and have grown callous to that sort of stuff, but I don't even consider myself very familiar or knowledgeable when it comes to anime compared to many other posters here. I can't imagine how many times they have seen this stuff over and over again. SAO is just kind of a bland show.

I agree. SAO to me just isnt fun. I have no appreciation for MMORPGs, have no interest really in online social gaming in general. The art style of the show is pretty plain and even the new world lacks charm judging from screencaps. The show just isnt very compelling even in a so bad its good way. Its just there. People seem to be enjoying it and discussing it so there has to be something about it but I just dont personally see it.

You will always have a crowd ready to join in with you if you watch a show on The List.

This is so hilariously true. You will never feel alienated if you watch those shows and post about it here. you immediately get everyone's attention. Try it!
 

Dresden

Member
I promise that this is the last time I go off topic with P4 discussion, but you'll find it relevant to this conversation that I just capped this in P4G a couple of days ago:



yeah...

I think NichM commented on that line, actually - it's pretty interesting.

It is shockingly close to the original Japanese. In that, Marie asks what "bifuteki" is, and you have the option of explaining that it's short for "biifusuteeki." She responds that that doesn't make sense because the "steak" part of it is obfuscated, and suggested it would be better to call it "fusuteki."
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
Mars of Destruction was accidentally posted in your list. Also, how have you not seen Wicked City?

You know I like to simul-watch with my fellow LIST connoisseurs whenever possible! There's little incentive to watch this stuff all by my lonesome, hahah.
 
CorvoSol: here is the most current copy of THE LIST devised by Hito and me. It's incomplete and there are a few things that either need to be watched to confirm LISTworthiness or are otherwise marked with "caveats", but here you go:

AD Police OVA
All Purpose Cultural Cat Girl Nuku Nuku (tentative upon watching)
Angel Cop (dub) (caveats)
Bagi, The Monster of Mighty Nature
Baoh
Black Lion
Blood-C
Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion
Crystal Triangle
Cyber City Oedo 808 (dub)
Dark Cat (dub)
Dog Soldier
Dracula: Emperor of Darkness (dub)
Earth Maiden Arjuna
Garzey's Wing
Glass Fleet: Legend of the Wind of the Universe
Golden Laws
Goku: Midnight Eye (tentative)
Hermes: Winds of Love
ICE (footnote: most incomprehensible ever)
Laws of Eternity
Laws of the Sun
Mad Bull 34
Mars of Destruction
Melody of Oblivion
Rebirth of Buddha
School Days
Shuffle (major caveats)
Street Fighter 2 V (with caveats)
Sukeban Deka (dub)
Wicked City (tentative upon watching)
Yami to Boushi to Hon no Tabibito

This reminds me, you still haven't finished your end of the bargain. I finished Brave 10, you finish your share.
 
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